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    Jacob FAKKU Creator Posts: 4,541
    Jun 23, 2010 at 12:10 pm
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    To clarify, lolicon posted on the forums will not be allowed anymore. This is in no way due to it being illegal in the United States (which it is not). It is something that is against the terms of service of our ad company. Without our ad company FAKKU would not exist. The ad company we currently use results in the most money, so I will not be dropping them over something like this.

    Strictly speaking, the term refers only to prepubescent girls (that look to be under the age of 12). If you go around labeling topics and uploads as "loli" they will also be removed. Discussion and posting non pornographic pictures of lolis is fine. Flat chested and "loli type" girls are fine, just nothing that is clearly loli.

    This is not something that is up for debate, this is just the way it will be from now on. Trust me I would rather it be different, but we need the ad company for FAKKU to stay online. If there are any rich people out there that are upset about this, feel free to send us tons of money to pay for the servers and we will remove this rule.
    Grim32 Posts: 329
    Jun 23, 2010 at 12:14 pm
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    Great! Now I will not be arrested for visiting Fakku. I have one request. Make this announcement pink in text!

    -Grim
    Klorofolun Posts: 3,360
    Jun 23, 2010 at 12:44 pm
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    Grim32 wrote...
    Great! Now I will not be arrested for visiting Fakku. I have one request. Make this announcement pink in text!

    -Grim


    Please do not, as it will burn my eyes, unless the background was changed to a dark color.
    gizgal Posts: 4,900
    Jun 23, 2010 at 1:15 pm
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    Ah. Thanks for clarifying. :o
    Flaser Posts: 1,864
    Jun 23, 2010 at 1:52 pm
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    So let me rephase that:

    Anything that's clearly pre-pubescent should be removed.
    (This also includes prepubescent little boys).
    Flat-chested or developing, but clearly (post)-pubescent girls are fine.
    (So we don't have to remove the majority of Ishikei's work or other doujinshi that depicts high school aged girls doing the dirty deed where the girls may only have modest jugs.)

    To make you job easier Jacob, here is a list of authors whose work feature prepubescent loli:

    Spoiler:

    Akatama
    Akazawa Red
    Asaki Takayuki
    Awaji Himeji
    Ayato Sasakura
    Benjamin
    Chunrouzan
    Ei Itou
    Gorgeous Takarada
    Haru Wamusato
    Hatch
    Hidiri Rei
    Hiroki Tsukiyoshi
    Hoshino Fuuta
    Inuboshi
    Itosugi Masahiro
    Itou
    Juan Gotoh
    Juuzoh Minazuki
    Kamirenjaku Sanpei
    Kawadi MAX
    Kokekko Koma
    Misoka Nagatsuki
    Mizui Kaou
    Nanana Nana
    Naoshi Onizuka
    Nekogen
    Nekonomori Maririn
    Oyster
    Saeki Takao
    Sekiya Asami
    Shinozaki Rei
    Wanyanaguda
    Yanagawa Rio


    Authors marked in red feature pubescent loli in their works, but most of the time they don't have to be removed.
    Authors marked in yellow feature both pubescent and prepubescent loli in their works so they should be filtered on a case-by-case basis.
    Authors marked in blue predominantly feature prepubescent loli in their works and can be removed most of the time.

    PS.: I'm afraid this also means that the Loli-/Shotacon League of the Eromangaka Tournament won't be held.
    Rbz Posts: 5,214
    Jun 23, 2010 at 1:56 pm
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    Flaser wrote...
    (This also includes prepubescent little boys).

    Jacob said (to me) the company only mentioned loli.
    Nashrakh Little White Butterflies Staff Posts: 2,350
    Jun 23, 2010 at 2:04 pm
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    Flaser wrote...

    Authors I marked with "*" do have some works that don't involve prepubescent loli.



    I suggest adding Nekogen to the asterisc'd list. See here why:
    http://www.fakku.net/viewmanga.php?id=3891

    That one girl sure has boobs.
    Kaimax Green Haired Moderator Posts: 13,120
    Jun 23, 2010 at 2:58 pm
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    So, as long as we don't specifically said loli to our material, and don't show it visually, we should be find right?

    if that's true, I'll socialize a new format to upload.

    1.There will be no mentioning about loli in that thread, if it's in the title it would be changed forcefully.

    2.No pics will be uploaded, only synopsis

    so, it this a yay or nay?
    IvIajoi2n Posts: 1,212
    Jun 23, 2010 at 4:07 pm
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    Jacob wrote...
    To clarify, lolicon posted on the forums will not be allowed anymore. This is in no way due to it being illegal in the United States (which it is not). It is something that is against the terms of service of our ad company. Without our ad company FAKKU would not exist. The ad company we currently use results in the most money, so I will not be dropping them over something like this.

    Strictly speaking, the term refers only to prepubescent girls (that look to be under the age of 12). If you go around labeling topics and uploads as "loli" they will also be removed. Discussion and posting non pornographic pictures of lolis is fine. Flat chested and "loli type" girls are fine, just nothing that is clearly loli.

    This is not something that is up for debate, this is just the way it will be from now on. Trust me I would rather it be different, but we need the ad company for FAKKU to stay online. If there are any rich people out there that are upset about this, feel free to send us tons of money to pay for the servers and we will remove this rule.


    Whatever you gotta do to keep Fakku running Jacob, keep on truckin'. Long as you keep Vanilla on this site i can still get my fill =)... or rather emptying i gue-

    Anyhow yeah.
    THE ECONOMY Posts: 1,326
    Jun 23, 2010 at 4:09 pm
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    Kaimax wrote...
    So, as long as we don't specifically said loli to our material, and don't show it visually, we should be find right?

    if that's true, I'll socialize a new format to upload.

    1.There will be no mentioning about loli in that thread, if it's in the title it would be changed forcefully.

    2.No pics will be uploaded, only synopsis

    so, it this a yay or nay?


    Horrible.
    No mention of loli in the title = no way for users to know they'll get an in-your-face load of loli when clicking.
    Makes it totally impossible to avoid pedo material, which is essential for a) people who live in countries where it's blatantly illegal (all UK users and large areas of continental europe) b) people who are offended by it.
    gizgal Posts: 4,900
    Jun 23, 2010 at 4:11 pm
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    THE ECONOMY wrote...
    Kaimax wrote...
    So, as long as we don't specifically said loli to our material, and don't show it visually, we should be find right?

    if that's true, I'll socialize a new format to upload.

    1.There will be no mentioning about loli in that thread, if it's in the title it would be changed forcefully.

    2.No pics will be uploaded, only synopsis

    so, it this a yay or nay?


    Horrible.
    No mention of loli in the title = no way for users to know they'll get an in-your-face load of loli when clicking.
    Makes it totally impossible to avoid pedo material, which is essential for a) people who live in countries where it's blatantly illegal (all UK users and large areas of continental europe) b) people who are offended by it.


    Maybe call it ilol? I dunno, get creative.
    Kaimax Green Haired Moderator Posts: 13,120
    Jun 23, 2010 at 5:14 pm
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    THE ECONOMY wrote...
    Kaimax wrote...
    So, as long as we don't specifically said loli to our material, and don't show it visually, we should be find right?

    if that's true, I'll socialize a new format to upload.

    1.There will be no mentioning about loli in that thread, if it's in the title it would be changed forcefully.

    2.No pics will be uploaded, only synopsis

    so, it this a yay or nay?


    Horrible.
    No mention of loli in the title = no way for users to know they'll get an in-your-face load of loli when clicking.


    People can click the Official website or other English websites to check them though. Uploaders must post those official links anyway.

    like from getchu.com or Vndb.org that has pics and synopsis. Efficiently speaking, we only need the upload links to be posted. The whole info, pics, videos are just to make downloaders take the "easy road"

    That's why we need to socialize this "new" kind of viewing, Making the downloaders go check the title itself.
    Nashrakh Little White Butterflies Staff Posts: 2,350
    Jun 23, 2010 at 5:19 pm
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    Kaimax wrote...

    People can click the Official website or other English websites to check them though.

    That's why we need to socialize this "new" kind of viewing.


    You seem to focus on VNs too much, as that only applies to them in my opinion - manga uploads don't have any official websites. Only thing you can do is check the title on other rival site for tags...

    Checking translator blogs would help too, but in some cases (like Rbz's thread), you don't really know where it comes from unless you read the credits page first (or can decipher the coding, in this case).
    Kaimax Green Haired Moderator Posts: 13,120
    Jun 23, 2010 at 5:23 pm
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    yes, just to be clear I only Focus on the VN section, hence my title. :D
    and besides I'm not that "pro" about manga/doujins, so I don't feel an attachment to it. You can't blame me, If I 100% supported the VN and game section and doesn't care about others, because Vns are my field of expertise, and specialty. :D

    analogically speaking: You won't see a heart surgeon doing brain nerve surgery right? (unless it's Black Jack)... lol

    You need a guy/group that "focuses" on solving this problem for the manga section.


    Being fair:
    about mangas.. how about making those credit pages the cover page. lol
    effective idea, but totally not likable. :D

    well, that's my opinion as a "general" user, not the VN mod.
    Rbz Posts: 5,214
    Jun 23, 2010 at 5:27 pm
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    Kaimax wrote...
    You need a guy/group that "focuses" on solving this problem for the manga section.

    Personally, I don't see any problem at all. I just won't be uploading any loli. Lowers the chances jacob (and ultimately, fakku) will be fucked up the ass anyway.
    Nashrakh Little White Butterflies Staff Posts: 2,350
    Jun 23, 2010 at 5:29 pm
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    Kaimax wrote...
    yes, just to be clear I only Focus on the VN section, hence my title. :D


    By that logic, I would only focus on weird shit lol.

    Yeah well, it's not as easy with manga... if you tag it as loli, it's gonna get removed, if you don't, you run the risk of mentally scarring (lol) people that dislike loli.

    Hmm... using a codeword would be easy for the ad company peeps to decipher though.
    Rbz Posts: 5,214
    Jun 23, 2010 at 5:31 pm
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    Nashrakh wrote...
    using a codeword would be easy for the ad company peeps to decipher though.

    Especially if the tag is pedoshit.
    Splash_knight2 Posts: 152
    Jun 23, 2010 at 5:56 pm
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    Like Kaimax, I stick to the VN's more then the Manga Upload, and here is the thing:

    There might be a couple of 'Loli' routes, BUT, the majority of girls will always have boobs, as is common (Generally, one of each body type with some overlap per VN), so just skipping those two routes in the VN wouldn't be horrible, it's not like the first thing you see of them is gonna be a sex scene, so, following Kaimax's Idea, this is actually less rough on the VNs.

    And if it's only girls that are clearly prepubescent, and can be over 18 or whatever but look young, it's far less severe then I thought.
    oneshott Posts: 1,294
    Jun 23, 2010 at 5:59 pm
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    Nashrakh wrote...
    you run the risk of mentally scarring (lol) people that dislike loli.


    We're all over 18 here Nash. Besides, most of the time, the loli is fully clothed and just doing normal stuff when you see her.
    Nashrakh Little White Butterflies Staff Posts: 2,350
    Jun 23, 2010 at 6:02 pm
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    oneshott wrote...

    We're all over 18 here Nash.

    Not so sure of that lol

    oneshott wrote...

    Besides, most of the time, the loli is fully clothed and just doing normal stuff when you see her.


    Got a point there, but if we were to obscure that a manga or VN contains loli so we can evade a deletion, that would still leave people disappointed that downloaded that stuff without knowing it. But you got a point there, only in rare cases is the first page a full-on sex fest.
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