AK-47 or M-16? which do you prefer?
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lelouch20 wrote...
I like M-16, use them in FPS games and such.Took 17 posts to get on topic. I r amused.
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Nashrakh
Little White Butterflies Staff
Flaser wrote...
My problem with the "peace movement" (in the West) is most of them are ill informed weekend activists who only protest and march because they live in a free, democratic environment that tolerates it. They're also ineffective, as their ideology is at best naive at worst unreal.
A realistic peace movement has to admit that sometimes the force of arms is better than the alternative and sometimes you have to fight to put an end to exploitation.
While I think that violence only spawns more violence, I don't think I could argue that point... that dilemma creates some moral conflicts for me though :\
Oh yeah, might as well come out too. I'm an anarchist communist.
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Nashrakh wrote...
Flaser wrote...
My problem with the "peace movement" (in the West) is most of them are ill informed weekend activists who only protest and march because they live in a free, democratic environment that tolerates it. They're also ineffective, as their ideology is at best naive at worst unreal.
A realistic peace movement has to admit that sometimes the force of arms is better than the alternative and sometimes you have to fight to put an end to exploitation.
While I think that violence only spawns more violence, I don't think I could argue that point... that dilemma creates some moral conflicts for me though :\
Oh yeah, might as well come out too. I'm an anarchist communist.
so you know the site http://wiki.stealthiswiki.org/wiki/Main_Page ?
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Flaser
OCD Hentai Collector
Nashrakh wrote...
Flaser wrote...
My problem with the "peace movement" (in the West) is most of them are ill informed weekend activists who only protest and march because they live in a free, democratic environment that tolerates it. They're also ineffective, as their ideology is at best naive at worst unreal.
A realistic peace movement has to admit that sometimes the force of arms is better than the alternative and sometimes you have to fight to put an end to exploitation.
While I think that violence only spawns more violence, I don't think I could argue that point... that dilemma creates some moral conflicts for me though :\
Violence for the sake of violence indeed... and violence has a tendecy to be self justifying. (They did it too! We've already done it there... etc).
However sometimes it's all you have.
Then you have guys like Laurent Nkunda who would be a folk hero in any sane time. But since he used small arms and conventional forces to destroy the rapers (...and killers) of his people not airplanes and massive firepower he's a warmongering devil incarnate. Brecher wrote a good article about him:
http://exiledonline.com/war-nerd%E2%80%99s-interview-tips-for-general-nkunda/
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oh.......christ, a room created by a fascist to be dominated by a bunch of anarchists and communists! ow.......the irony!
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Kalashnikov209 wrote...
oh.......christ, a room created by a fascist to be dominated by a bunch of anarchists and communists! ow.......the irony!If you were a fascist, why would you have a swastika as an avatar?
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LostQuartet wrote...
Kalashnikov209 wrote...
oh.......christ, a room created by a fascist to be dominated by a bunch of anarchists and communists! ow.......the irony!If you were a fascist, why would you have a swastika as an avatar?
He used to have it, I guess we were making too big a deal on it and now he hiding it.
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LostQuartet wrote...
Kalashnikov209 wrote...
oh.......christ, a room created by a fascist to be dominated by a bunch of anarchists and communists! ow.......the irony!If you were a fascist, why would you have a swastika as an avatar?
the ideology of fascism is ALMOST identical to Nazism.
Nazism (Nationalsozialismus, National Socialism) was the ideology and practice of the Nazi Party and of Nazi Germany.It is a unique variety of fascism that involves biological racism and anti-Semitism.
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Nashrakh
Little White Butterflies Staff
Kalashnikov209 wrote...
LostQuartet wrote...
Kalashnikov209 wrote...
oh.......christ, a room created by a fascist to be dominated by a bunch of anarchists and communists! ow.......the irony!If you were a fascist, why would you have a swastika as an avatar?
the ideology of fascism is ALMOST identical to Nazism.
Nazism (Nationalsozialismus, National Socialism) was the ideology and practice of the Nazi Party and of Nazi Germany.It is a unique variety of fascism that involves biological racism and anti-Semitism.
Theory and practice dude.
The Doctrine of Facism sounds like Mussolini was a hippie. Was he really? I ask you.
Excerpt from The Doctrine of Fascism:
Fascism sees in the world not only those superficial, material aspects in which man appears as an individual, standing by himself, self-centered, subject to natural law, which instinctively urges him toward a life of selfish momentary pleasure; it sees not only the individual but the nation and the country; individuals and generations bound together by a moral law, with common traditions and a mission which suppressing the instinct for life closed in a brief circle of pleasure, builds up a higher life, founded on duty, a life free from the limitations of time and space, in which the individual, by self-sacrifice, the renunciation of self-interest, by death itself, can achieve that purely spiritual existence in which his value as a man consists.
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Captain Badass! wrote...
I CHOOSE THE M-16, BECAUSE ITS MANLIER AND MORE AMERICAN!I Support your statement because (in my insights.)accuracy is better than a sustained automatic fire. As seen in the show, Deadliest Warrior, the AR-15 (a variant of the M-16)was able to hit a smaller target than the AK-47,therefore the M-16 is far superior.
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Nashrakh wrote...
Kalashnikov209 wrote...
LostQuartet wrote...
Kalashnikov209 wrote...
oh.......christ, a room created by a fascist to be dominated by a bunch of anarchists and communists! ow.......the irony!If you were a fascist, why would you have a swastika as an avatar?
the ideology of fascism is ALMOST identical to Nazism.
Nazism (Nationalsozialismus, National Socialism) was the ideology and practice of the Nazi Party and of Nazi Germany.It is a unique variety of fascism that involves biological racism and anti-Semitism.
Theory and practice dude.
The Doctrine of Facism sounds like Mussolini was a hippie. Was he really? I ask you.
Excerpt from The Doctrine of Fascism:
Fascism sees in the world not only those superficial, material aspects in which man appears as an individual, standing by himself, self-centered, subject to natural law, which instinctively urges him toward a life of selfish momentary pleasure; it sees not only the individual but the nation and the country; individuals and generations bound together by a moral law, with common traditions and a mission which suppressing the instinct for life closed in a brief circle of pleasure, builds up a higher life, founded on duty, a life free from the limitations of time and space, in which the individual, by self-sacrifice, the renunciation of self-interest, by death itself, can achieve that purely spiritual existence in which his value as a man consists.
do i have to repeat......it is unique variety of fascism that involves biological racism and anti-Semitism.As stated, it is a variety, so it means that nazism has its roots in fascism. But we know that Mussolini's march of the blackshirts came first before hitler's election as the chancellor.
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Well, the American ideology behind guns is that, if you arm the civilian populace, then the government will have a much harder time developing a tyrannical rule, or walking over the Bill of Rights. I do honestly think that the 2nd amendment is in place to prevent America from becoming another china, or God-forbid, Australia!
But back on topic, I'm going to have to say technically neither. Instead, I offer the AK-74 as my answer. Why? Well, you have the same dead-reliable Kalashnikov-action, but with a cartridge (5.45x39mm) that has a greater effective range than the AK-47 round (7.62x39mm) and greater inherent accuracy (higher muzzle velocity, longer bullet), yet still has more cover penetration and reliable yaw/fragmentation characteristics than the NATO/American round (5.56x45mm). To boot, the proliferation of the AK-74 has generated so many neat variants, like the Polish Tantal and Bulgaria's 74s. Even more beautiful is that, with most Ex-Warsaw countries joining NATO and switching to 5.56x45 rifles, they've massively exported their surplus and leftover guns, and now the average American can own them as well. http://www.jgsales.com/index.php/rifles/ak-47-and-rpk-rifles/cPath/209_214
It doesn't hurt that J&G is selling surplus 5.45x39 in 1080rnd sealed-tins for $150 a pop!
My written fellatio of the AK-74 aside, I do adore Eugene Stoner's design as well. It's light, simple, and as long as it's taken care of halfway decently, it's just as reliable as the AK. the cartridge is a little lacking though right now as the round was designed for a 20" barrel and now with the M4 carbine that's been chopped to 14.5". Due to the Hague Convention, the US cannot use fragmenting bullets as they've been deemed excessively cruel. So the 5.56 round work on yawing. when the bullet hits flesh, it begins to yaw and rotate, creating a massive wound cavity. Problem is, it has to be going at least 2700fps to do this. Out of a M-16's 20" barrel, the threshold where the bullet's fps drops below 2700 is around 150yds. Out of the M4's 14.5" barrel, it drops to less than 90yds. Body armor further complicates matters, as it will slow the bullet to the point where it might just go through the body cavity and not do much damage. (see Viet-Congs wrapping themselves in duct-tape vests and the 5.56 rounds just flitting through, while the crazed jungle-commies continued to charge)
The 7.62x39 cartridge uses sheer mass (double the bullet weight of 5.56 NATO) to do damage, and it works, at the expense of heavy recoil and inherently shitty ballistics. the 5.45x39 though, basically takes the flat ballistics and low recoil of the 5.56 NATO round and enhances lethality by using a steel core and a jacketed hollow-point. When the cartridge hits a body, the steel core shifts, pushing forward into the hollow cavity and causing the bullet to yaw much sooner than the 5.56 round.
So, in essence, I would rather have a (well-built) AK over an AR, but both are sweet rifles.
But back on topic, I'm going to have to say technically neither. Instead, I offer the AK-74 as my answer. Why? Well, you have the same dead-reliable Kalashnikov-action, but with a cartridge (5.45x39mm) that has a greater effective range than the AK-47 round (7.62x39mm) and greater inherent accuracy (higher muzzle velocity, longer bullet), yet still has more cover penetration and reliable yaw/fragmentation characteristics than the NATO/American round (5.56x45mm). To boot, the proliferation of the AK-74 has generated so many neat variants, like the Polish Tantal and Bulgaria's 74s. Even more beautiful is that, with most Ex-Warsaw countries joining NATO and switching to 5.56x45 rifles, they've massively exported their surplus and leftover guns, and now the average American can own them as well. http://www.jgsales.com/index.php/rifles/ak-47-and-rpk-rifles/cPath/209_214
It doesn't hurt that J&G is selling surplus 5.45x39 in 1080rnd sealed-tins for $150 a pop!
My written fellatio of the AK-74 aside, I do adore Eugene Stoner's design as well. It's light, simple, and as long as it's taken care of halfway decently, it's just as reliable as the AK. the cartridge is a little lacking though right now as the round was designed for a 20" barrel and now with the M4 carbine that's been chopped to 14.5". Due to the Hague Convention, the US cannot use fragmenting bullets as they've been deemed excessively cruel. So the 5.56 round work on yawing. when the bullet hits flesh, it begins to yaw and rotate, creating a massive wound cavity. Problem is, it has to be going at least 2700fps to do this. Out of a M-16's 20" barrel, the threshold where the bullet's fps drops below 2700 is around 150yds. Out of the M4's 14.5" barrel, it drops to less than 90yds. Body armor further complicates matters, as it will slow the bullet to the point where it might just go through the body cavity and not do much damage. (see Viet-Congs wrapping themselves in duct-tape vests and the 5.56 rounds just flitting through, while the crazed jungle-commies continued to charge)
The 7.62x39 cartridge uses sheer mass (double the bullet weight of 5.56 NATO) to do damage, and it works, at the expense of heavy recoil and inherently shitty ballistics. the 5.45x39 though, basically takes the flat ballistics and low recoil of the 5.56 NATO round and enhances lethality by using a steel core and a jacketed hollow-point. When the cartridge hits a body, the steel core shifts, pushing forward into the hollow cavity and causing the bullet to yaw much sooner than the 5.56 round.
So, in essence, I would rather have a (well-built) AK over an AR, but both are sweet rifles.
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Nashrakh
Little White Butterflies Staff
sv51macross wrote...
Well, the American ideology behind guns is that, if you arm the civilian populace, then the government will have a much harder time developing a tyrannical rule, or walking over the Bill of Rights.Technically, they do ALL THE FUCKING TIME.
While the people shoot each other instead of them. I call that ironic.
