Do Feminists Ever Consider That They Might Be Wrong?

Didn't I say the same exact thing, and yet you insisted I was wrong because there exist a dictionary definition for it?

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Modern and "Popular"(the one that gets the most exposure) Feminist are often wrong on the cause of many issues, and although they claim to fight for equality, it's often one sided and sometimes has negative effects on men and young boys.

Also for those of you say things like, "Well women in the Western world have many rights, but we still need feminist in places like the Middle East", please read this:

http://dontneedfeminism.tumblr.com/post/95097027945/afghanistan-is-the-hotbed-of-male-disposability-boy-or

Yes, I know it's tumblr, and that it's long read but if you have the time to go over it, do it.

I said that misandrists who want to sterilise, enslave and/or slaughter all men aren't feminists. Quite the difference from debating whether job quotas are the right approach or not. Pretty different from questioning what exactly 'equality' is too, I'd say.



Sorry, I don't see why we can't both support equal rights and be against child labour at the same time. Didn't realise they're mutually exclusive.

1. No, you pretty much said there was a solid structure on what Feminism was.
2. The perception of male power. Completely relevant towards the current topic.

I'm all for feminism and their cause. Its the extremists I smh at. Equality and fairness should always be strived for in a modern society. Some feminists' views may be out there, but just be glad they aren't ruling the world. They can have their opinion.




I'll keep it short. If humanity is really like you described, then we wouldn't have laws in the first place.

I don't know if Feminists do consider that they might be wrong since I'm not one of them but of course they can be wrong even if they don't think so themselves. we are just human we can't avoid being wrong at least once or twice during our life.

Of course hurray for equality and all that but as all other activist groups, some are way too extreme and some are hypocrites. Everything needs a balance and some things doesn't even matter (in my opinion). Feminist fight for all women's right but what if some women like to be bossed around, stay home to watch the house etc. Also some women want equality but yet they still whine when guys are too passive in relationships (like don't take the first step) or don't let them go first when escaping like transportation disasters (sinking ferries and such).

I think each feminist should fight for themselves and not the entire female race (maybe). Equality is nice but if you want equality so badly then you better accept that it should apply everywhere and not just where women want it and when it is convenient.

Literally EVERYONE can be wrong.

And in fact.... is.


See, every human being is in a different situation in life. So when you have all of these different political parties, activists, and such, they are all mostly fighting for what will benefit them and their groups based on the situation they are in.

Sometimes what helps one group will completely smash another into the ground. Which is why, not only can everyone be wrong.


Every single human on Earth has some train of political thought or belief in something... that is wrong because it will hurt someone else.

Something you think is right... is guaranteed to be wrong.


This all depends on what you think "wrong" means.


Rather than be a feminist. Be an Equalist.

The Equalist movement attempts to circumvent being wrong by being equal to both genders. (Or perhaps equal in everything for everyone)

Sadly, striving for total equality is noble... but completely impossible. By all means try for it though. You can at least get it close.

I feel like I've seen a lot of feminists be somewhat misguided in their thinking, not on women having equal rights, but defining what exactly is discrimination. We've come leaps and bounds since the initial Movement and while there are definitely some kinks and problems to work out, I feel like it's so much better living in our time NOW then it was 50 years ago. I'd say that radical feminists cannot ever consider themselves wrong, but so do radicals of pretty much any variety would consider their thinking infallible.

That is why they are called radicals in the first place, because they are unwilling to change their minds in spite of evidence showing other wise.

That would be because social issues are such because they are ambiguous. Many "facts" in such issues are more opinions than anything else.




Well yeah right is superior to wrong or so they believe. Nothing wrong in being wrong as long as you learn from it.




Young people tend to be idealists and such they find much wrong in this world that needs fixing. They come up with ideal solutions to solve all our problems. Problem is we don't live in an ideal world and they fail to consider that their ideas have been tried before and simply didn't work thus they are not around anymore.

@KageMinowara
OK. Now your thead title is a leading question if I've ever seen one. The question implies that feminists ARE wrong...

I'll have you know that feminism, like any movement or group in history of humankind are quite, contrary to what we'd like to believe, quite heterogenous. That is to say, they don't ALL believe in the exact same thing in the exact same way. To lump them all together and imply their beliefs are all wrong is... terrible. (To give a few examples of commonly mis-generalized groups: Christians, Muslims, Americans, Republicans, Bronies, etc.)

That being said. I'm not quite sure which beliefs you're referring to when you're saying Feminists could be wrong. As such, that makes this question super-hard to respond to.

If you were referring to the extremist "all men are evil", yeah... that's pretty wrong and messed up.
If you were referring to the general principle "Men and Women should be treated equally"... I don't see a problem with that.

So what in particular are you taking offence to?

Maybe to the fact that most of the out spoken feminist who publicly speak and write don't follow the actual meaning of the word feminist, that of "men and women should be treated equally" even though they preach it all the time.

They ignore the areas and issues where men face disadvantages in comparison to women. They misuse the word sexism and misogyny so that it is applied to almost everybody who simply disagree with them or don't 100% agree with them. They claim that the culture we live in currently (culture of USA) supports rape culture.

So on and so fort.

Sure. "The people responsible". But broadly using the absolute "all" to claim "all men are evil" is well... extreme. There are plenty of male supporters of women's rights. Hell, there's men who consider themselves feminists...

The problem with such a position is that it alienates those who could become potential supporters and give the entire movement a bad name. (Because again, people like to overly generalize)

This actually segues quite nicely into the observation that, because of the ones who hold more polemical views end up being the most vocal and most noticed, it arouses an opposite and equal reaction.



And I feel generalizations links heavily with the reason why rabid feminists and rabid anti-feminists start hating each other.

By broadly painting an entire group as one solid organism (they're not), you ignore the fine differences.

For example, while the US culture doesn't really support rape (we have laws against it for crying out loud), it's also undeniable that in certain settings, the statistics are deeply disturbing. So while it's inappropriately to broadly claim "we", Americans, "support rape culture", it's also undeniable that with "Approximately one in four college women reporting surviving rape or attempted rape at some point in their lifetime." from a multi-campus surveys sampling thousands of college students nationwide (Fisher, Cullen & Turner, 2000; Tjaden & Thoennes, 2006), this is actually a problem. Feel free to read their methodology if you have questions, but even with biased sampling, the numbers are still more than a bit disturbing.

Its ambiguous because of all the rhetoric on the subject just like many other social issues.



Never said I thought it should be a slogan or that it would be any good as a slogan. That was just my thoughts.



What your describing sounds like idealism to me but eh whatever.






Groups tend to be defined by those that speak loudest amongst them.



you can still go about this the wrong way.

I didn't generalize or broadly paint an entire group. I specifically said "most of the out spoken feminist who publicly speak and write".




The reason i am little skeptical of these type of studies is because they don't explain at all how the women questioned define what an actual rape is or an attempted rape.

I am not claiming that those studies are bullshit or totally wrong, what i am saying is that because of feminist, the word rape to many people is identical as "being uncomfortable during or after sex". Also there are few female collage professors that i know of who teach exactly that to their students, that rape is not only about forcing someone to have sex, but that if you are uncomfortable or didn't give a clear verbal consent, you were raped.

All I need to do is stand here to be an example *laughs my fucking ass off soooooooooo sarcastically*

I didn't know wanting the same pay, to be respected via ending cat calling and SO MUCH MORE is a terrible thing for woman to stand up for. *forever holding my head in disbelief and discontent*