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bowserman wrote...
That´s the point, what could be a good reason? Dreams, things I like, family, etc., they are not really important if I compare them to everything else in universe. If that is the case, excistance itself is nothing, each life is even less, and living is useless.What I want to find is something that could change that, and to know what means to be happy (and happiness is not in anything I´ve got or felt), because I see that people do things, find other peple, etc., to feel that way, and if there is not a good reason for living, why people tries to "be happy", if is imposible to reach a true state of happines?
I can´t understand, the real motivation for life, the reason why the first living beings holded to life besides they where doomed to extintion, or what led us to think in ourselves as a superior specie and think we deserve everything. That´s the reason I want to find.
Alright, I do not know if this will ease you mind at all but the words of the wisest woman I know once said "Life is subjective - live it how you want it to be." Those words should hold true to everyone - and while I think there are still lines you don't cross - there are many purposes to life. Worrying about the good you can do for the universe only works if you can do good for the entire universe - otherwise, it's better to start small and enjoy the brief moments of joy - because while there is no such thing as true happiness - happiness comes from within, so you can choose to make your life meaningful and worth something, to make every day enjoyable, or you can spend it wondering where you went wrong, when you didn't actually go wrong. Everyone has their problems and yes everyone at this point has undoubtedly done bad things a few times but that doesn't make us bad or useless people. What makes you is your attitude and perspective on life - and that can change for the better so long as you will it. While many things can drag you down - you must look straight ahead, never letting go of the dreams or aspirations you hold or once held dear.
With this in mind, simply put, life is what you make it - even if everyone tries to make your life a living hell, you can still be at peace with yourself and hold happiness that no one else around you has. Even if the burden of the world drags you down every day - you can rise above and still do the right things if you just choose to. Being a good or bad person with happiness or misery is neither genetic nor due to the environment - ultimately, it is your choice as a human being.
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Have you ever read into quantum theory? Specifically I'm talking about the works of Erwin Schrödinger, Richard Feynman, Heisenberg or even bits of Hawking's research. Having a platform to observe the universe nearly collapses the alternate histories of the Universe into a comprehensible model. It eliminates superpostions and keeps reality, well, real. Think of it on the must basic levels and yiu can easily conclude that your prospective keeps the entire Universe stable.Every being capable of observing quantitatively is, in a sense, responsible for maintaining the stability and coherence of the slice of the cosmos we can observe.
Edit: I know I'm using physics to answer a philosophical question, but as Stephen Hawking said, "Philosophy is dead".
Edit: I know I'm using physics to answer a philosophical question, but as Stephen Hawking said, "Philosophy is dead".
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Life doesn't inherently have meaning, it's an exercise in the construction of meaning. As we live, we assimilate values we're exposed to and construct new values for ourselves, and then attach these values to things. The values that we impose on the world around us condition our reactions to it. The interaction between your perceptions of the world, the attributes you endow these perceptions with, and your emotional, intellectual and physical responses to these perceived attributes is what constructs the meaning of your existence as a solitary consciousness unreliably observing an unprovable universe.
Personally I think any experience justifies itself. I have access to no empirical data suggesting that experience continues after the physical death of the body, so life is the preferable condition. That's quite sufficient to make it worth living.
Personally I think any experience justifies itself. I have access to no empirical data suggesting that experience continues after the physical death of the body, so life is the preferable condition. That's quite sufficient to make it worth living.
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Please_don't_ban_me wrote...
Have you ever read into quantum theory? Specifically I'm talking about the works of Erwin Schrödinger, Richard Feynman, Heisenberg or even bits of Hawking's research. Having a platform to observe the universe nearly collapses the alternate histories of the Universe into a comprehensible model. It eliminates superpostions and keeps reality, well, real. Think of it on the must basic levels and yiu can easily conclude that your prospective keeps the entire Universe stable.Every being capable of observing quantitatively is, in a sense, responsible for maintaining the stability and coherence of the slice of the cosmos we can observe. Edit: I know I'm using physics to answer a philosophical question, but as Stephen Hawking said, "Philosophy is dead".
Actually, is a really good argument, and it is logical, in that way, just to keep universe in balance until consumed by itself, it could be a reason, not someone that gives you a motive to live, but still a real reason.
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Odamust wrote...
Basically, it's how you've lived all these years that makes you the type of person you are now. From this, you set objectives you aim to achieve before your life will end. And once you've achieved every goal you've set, only then you can say that life is worth living.This is just a capitalist way to live, think in yourself getting everything you want, even if it takes the life of others. Even if you don´t see it that way, that´s the base of the modern capitalist way of living.
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The simple answer is yes, the complex one is sorta, the perplexing one is no.
If you state no, there is no reason that makes it worth living, then you are trying too hard to make a lofty goal be the purpose of life. You are missing the simple pleasures and creating defeat in things that matter but do not make the whole.
If you say sorta, you realize that the reasons can be picked on or taken apart, argued and debated, all arriving at no real true answer. The meaning of life the Universe and Everything? 42.
If you say yes, you realize that life is simple. Its goal is to continue and while its doomed to fail, every day has its successes. Look at pet, look how food oriented they are, how happy they are with it, and there you have the simple truth. Small every day success at continued existence is life and there is pleasure in such. If you want to debate the existence or illusion of pleasure, refer to the above.
My answer is 42, and wow this Pizza is great, but its gonna make me fat and cause me to die.
If you state no, there is no reason that makes it worth living, then you are trying too hard to make a lofty goal be the purpose of life. You are missing the simple pleasures and creating defeat in things that matter but do not make the whole.
If you say sorta, you realize that the reasons can be picked on or taken apart, argued and debated, all arriving at no real true answer. The meaning of life the Universe and Everything? 42.
If you say yes, you realize that life is simple. Its goal is to continue and while its doomed to fail, every day has its successes. Look at pet, look how food oriented they are, how happy they are with it, and there you have the simple truth. Small every day success at continued existence is life and there is pleasure in such. If you want to debate the existence or illusion of pleasure, refer to the above.
My answer is 42, and wow this Pizza is great, but its gonna make me fat and cause me to die.
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I think life has plenty of reasons. The things you experience each teach you something and guide you along to your next stage of life. From the moment you are born you continue to learn things, and then re-learn them, and then re-learn them again. It's a constant chaotic yet wonderful situation that continues until the moment of death. And even upon realizing that, upon realizing how fragile life is and that you could potentially die tomorrow, it makes you want to grow and seize each day to the fullest.
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SolidShark wrote...
Real reasons? Humanity will probably go extinct as some time, somehow, life is too fragile, someday the Sun will either turn into a black hole or expand and swallow the earth. Or maybe we nuke each other to extinction. The holy lands which were shed blood for will inevitably disapear, our left-behind culture would disapear.
Our sons and daughters will die and our grandchildren would remain, and if they are successful to survive, they will leave great-grandchildren, who will die too anyway. But we left a piece of ourself, our genes, a remnant of ourselves in our great-grandchildren, and we lived to meet someone we loved. Come to think of it, somewhere in your family tree, you have a characteristic of a very far relative, who lived to pass on his genes, and his/her gene pattern is inside you, a part of who you are. Be proud of that, and don't forget it. Acknowledging that means that even though they are gone, a piece of them remains alive, a proof of their existance on the face of the Earth. It might be a behavior, or a psysical appearace, a hint in your hair color, the shape of your earlobes, a small trace of them would remain and appear (or be ressesive and instead pass into your children). That thought makes me smile.
Even if we can't pass our genes, we can still leave an improvement in our culture, adopt and raise an individual with our thoughts, and contribute to the overall survival of our species.
So why live? Because it's part of our instinct. It's a truly marvelous part of evolution. We live because our predecessor species lived and adapted, in honor for them, we should do the same. To survive and improve our species.
Thus, no matter how depressed you are, no matter the verbal ass-whooping you recieve, no matter a violent barrage you feel, you must stay alive. Staying alive is the only way to go, build some character and don't give up no matter how "pathetic" you may be considered.
Its funny because in a way cockroaches are better then us in this aspect of survival
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The only real meaning in life is death. Sorry to say but there is nothing else, well maybe tax's too.
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Sure, its always fun to find out how stupid people can be in the world. I mean 1000 ways to die was really entertaining. Well the self inflicted ones where, The murder ones, not so much.
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Life has it's motive given to the one who possess it. Since we all have life it's based on a matter of perspective on what we think is this or why we think this is that way. Life is worth living. Life is not just about what you see around you in society. Life in my opinion, is Existence, and to be honest. I really don't think you can get out of existence. Life is worth living you just need to look beyond the circle. You put motive into your life. You just need to look at things in a different perspective. Find what you need.
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I feel relatively similar to the original poster. Several issues that make life seem more troublesome for me are...
1. 100% of my friends live nowhere near me and it requires a 30+min drive to visit even 20 of them.
2. Job employment competition is making people miserable (but hey what can we do about it here).
3. World News and the global problems everywhere.
I find the next journey death one of "hopefully" more fulfilling to the individual. for what I dreamed for the entirety of my life, if I can somehow be part of it and if it will continuously and dynamically change (like a different life), I would find that more compelling then the current life.
I sort of feel like I rambled, but I shared this because the original poster struck a chord with me.
1. 100% of my friends live nowhere near me and it requires a 30+min drive to visit even 20 of them.
2. Job employment competition is making people miserable (but hey what can we do about it here).
3. World News and the global problems everywhere.
I find the next journey death one of "hopefully" more fulfilling to the individual. for what I dreamed for the entirety of my life, if I can somehow be part of it and if it will continuously and dynamically change (like a different life), I would find that more compelling then the current life.
I sort of feel like I rambled, but I shared this because the original poster struck a chord with me.
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Sometimes in life u lose purpose but there are more reasons to live for u just have to find it and mve on
(naruto ep kinimaru past video)
(naruto ep kinimaru past video)
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I've discussed the reasoning towards why people should keep living and the fact that life itself has no intrinsic reason outside of what reasons you ascribe onto it to live, but I'm going to approach this from a different angle.
Recently I fought a bought with depression and had a fairly long length of time wherein I wanted to kill myself. I wanted to end my life and not be a bother to people anymore. Much to several of the members of this forums' chagrin, I decided against it. It wasn't really any one reason that I clung to, it wasn't me saying, "This one reason is the reason I shouldn't do it". It was more along the lines of I delayed what I felt to be a huge pain in the ass(planning my own death) until I started to stop seeing life as so painful to live.
So...funnily enough I guess what prevented me from killing myself was laziness.
Anywhozle, I could go on and on about the fact that one's motivations for continuing life comes from whatever their values are, and al of that is true, but really, the best thing to bare in mind is that...there's no reason to end your life. No matter how you feel, no matter how depressed you are, no matter your situation...there is no reason to not live. Living is fun. And I don't mean 'being alive', I mea going out, meeting people, getting a job and feeling like it matters that you exist. All of this brings a sort of satisfaction. All of which is way better than...never being again.
Bare that in mind too...when you're dead...you're dead forever. There is no do overs, there is no 'I changed my mind I wanna give life a try'. When you're dead, it's permanent. You're done. And nobody can say they've never made choices they regret.
Recently I fought a bought with depression and had a fairly long length of time wherein I wanted to kill myself. I wanted to end my life and not be a bother to people anymore. Much to several of the members of this forums' chagrin, I decided against it. It wasn't really any one reason that I clung to, it wasn't me saying, "This one reason is the reason I shouldn't do it". It was more along the lines of I delayed what I felt to be a huge pain in the ass(planning my own death) until I started to stop seeing life as so painful to live.
So...funnily enough I guess what prevented me from killing myself was laziness.
Anywhozle, I could go on and on about the fact that one's motivations for continuing life comes from whatever their values are, and al of that is true, but really, the best thing to bare in mind is that...there's no reason to end your life. No matter how you feel, no matter how depressed you are, no matter your situation...there is no reason to not live. Living is fun. And I don't mean 'being alive', I mea going out, meeting people, getting a job and feeling like it matters that you exist. All of this brings a sort of satisfaction. All of which is way better than...never being again.
Bare that in mind too...when you're dead...you're dead forever. There is no do overs, there is no 'I changed my mind I wanna give life a try'. When you're dead, it's permanent. You're done. And nobody can say they've never made choices they regret.
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hmm i think everyone must find their own purpose in life and if you fail well you were just to lazy to grasp it. life isn't easy and doesn't get easy, you need to work hard if you want to achieve something or find an answer. sometimes you need to sacrifice something in order to gain something. life has no real reason we all just find our own reason. even if it doesn't make sense to anyone else, as long it makes sense to you then thats all that matters. sometimes you just need to invest time on yourself and figure out who you really are and what you want to be.
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For the ones who said something about it, suicide has no sence because life has no sence. If life is useless, death too, it only produce more meaningless life, gennerating more meaningless death.
If someone thinks that achieving goals, having fun, or getting things is a good way to live, that one is wrong. If something is useless, everything that involves it, is useless, that way is life, if life is meaningless, everything it involves is meaningless too, even death (back to suicide, it has no sence).
If someone thinks the same way I do, that one would see that the only way of living is to be stupid (sorry for the rough word, but its not so rough when you see the meaning in a dictionary), because that way no one would care about the meaning of life, just doing what society expects from them. Also, that way no one has to think in what fellings are, because no one would care if they are meaningless or not (and they are).
If life could be as I described it, it could have a sence (the one many people thinks), just to live, but for me, that concept is hollow, and at the end, it doesn´t matter what I think, nothing matters.
If someone thinks that achieving goals, having fun, or getting things is a good way to live, that one is wrong. If something is useless, everything that involves it, is useless, that way is life, if life is meaningless, everything it involves is meaningless too, even death (back to suicide, it has no sence).
If someone thinks the same way I do, that one would see that the only way of living is to be stupid (sorry for the rough word, but its not so rough when you see the meaning in a dictionary), because that way no one would care about the meaning of life, just doing what society expects from them. Also, that way no one has to think in what fellings are, because no one would care if they are meaningless or not (and they are).
If life could be as I described it, it could have a sence (the one many people thinks), just to live, but for me, that concept is hollow, and at the end, it doesn´t matter what I think, nothing matters.