Getting arrested because of hentai

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I don't know how many of you have already heard, but someone was arrested moving through customs with manga on him.
They charged him with possession of child porn with the intent to import into Canada.

I don't know about you guys but I think this is completely bullshit.
If I (hypothetically) was in possession of hentai depicting lolis I wouldn't want to be arrested going through customs.
They are, after all, just lines on paper.
By all means make real CP illegal, but banning hentai just seems stupid to me.

So, Fakku, your thoughts?
As for me this violation of our rights really pisses me off.

A lot of you seem to want to know what kind of manga he was in possession of.
To be honest I don't actually know. It could have been anything from a normal manga to hardcore rape hentai.
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animefreak_usa Child of Samael
Loli is cp under certain contents and countries. Virtual child porn( which loli manga and hentai is) was illegal in the us from 98-02. That law was oveturn on a first amendment violation and replace with a law that still list loli has illegal under miller vs california.. if it passes the miller test then it not legal nor illegal to have or trade, but sell in a open market is still debatable. Pretty much if it non realistic then it in that gray area with extreme bondage and peudo snuff.

This is just my states law.. you have to see what your area does.

penal code 311
Spoiler:
"Matter" means any book, magazine, newspaper, or other printed
or written material, or any picture, drawing, photograph, motion
picture, or other pictorial representation, or any statue or other
figure, or any recording, transcription, or mechanical, chemical, or
electrical reproduction, or any other article, equipment, machine, or
material. "Matter" also means live or recorded telephone messages if
transmitted, disseminated, or distributed as part of a commercial
transaction.


This what's can gray the area or save you from ass rape in prison
Spoiler:
In prosecutions under this chapter, if circumstances of
production, presentation, sale, dissemination, distribution, or
publicity indicate that matter is being commercially exploited by the
defendant for the sake of its prurient appeal, this evidence is
probative with respect to the nature of the matter and may justify
the conclusion that the matter lacks serious literary, artistic,
political, or scientific value.
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Had he been in Canada he'd have gotten real screwed
Spoiler:
Canadian laws addressing this are included in the C-46 amended Canadian Criminal Code passed in 1985. It is described under Part V: Sexual Offences, Public Morals and Disordery Conduct: Offences Tending to Corrupt Morals. Section 163.1 defines child pornography to include "a visual representation, whether or not it was made by electronic or mechanical means", that "shows a person who is or is depicted as being under the age of eighteen years and is engaged in or is depicted as engaged in explicit sexual activity", or "the dominant characteristic of which is the depiction, for a sexual purpose, of a sexual organ or the anal region of a person under the age of eighteen years." The definitive Supreme Court of Canada decision, R. v. Sharpe, interprets the statute to include purely fictional material even when no real children were involved in its production.
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In the US (partially, I'm no lawyer, and though I do know about international law, american law is almost unknown to me)
Spoiler:
18 USC 1466A
In response to Ashcroft v. Free Speech Coalition, Congress passed the PROTECT Act of 2003 (also dubbed the Amber Alert Law) and it was signed into law on April 30, 2003 by then president George W. Bush. The law enacted 18 U.S.C. § 1466A, which criminalizes material that has "a visual depiction of any kind, including a drawing, cartoon, sculpture or painting", that "depicts a minor engaging in sexually explicit conduct and is "obscene" or "depicts an image that is, or appears to be, of a minor engaging in ... sexual intercourse ... and lacks serious literary, artistic, political, or scientific value".
By its own terms, the law does not make all simulated child pornography illegal, only that found to be obscene or lacking in serious value. And mere possession of said images is not a violation of the law unless it can be proven that they were transmitted through a common carrier, such as the mail or the internet, or transported across state lines.


This one was pretty interesting
http://www.idahopress.com/news/article_64e5a164-2341-11e0-b8ff-001cc4c03286.html
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Well, if that was just a normal manga, then yeah, that is BS. However, what was the content of that manga that was so bad they decided that the person needed to be arrested for it?
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Not many people know this but loveless (manga not anime) up to a certain volume is banned from the stores in america cause it goes under the category shota.
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Wonder what manga he have that time!
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And it seems like our friend Waar is getting the same problem or so. He post a thread in IB saying "DO NOT CROSS BORDER WITH LOLI" and said he'll tell us the story tomorrow.
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wow all these laws. Unfortunately the laws are based on logical probabilities not trust. So even if the person had no intention of distributing or letting the content go public it doesn't mean someone else can't find it and then the "morals of the general public" would degrade.
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Utter bullshit, and utter stupidity to have a (probably) questionable manga when border-crossing.
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animefreak_usa Child of Samael
It's more a question of obscenity vs law. The new obscenity law was written in 2004 and the fight on what's obscene is only 40-45 year old. Porn only became legal in the early 60's. To the outside person loli seems cp because it the common definition of kiddy porn is someone nude in a sexual way who is under the age of consent and in the US 18. The is if they look underage and not a artistic or scientific it's cp. I'm a photographer and I don't even do baby nude photos for people because if you accidentally shoot something with a genital... it liable to be cp. I didn't even shoot my own children when my wife wanted them... just because.
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Personal... CP is utter bullshit. Do to the "Sexualization of Modern Times", childern under the ages of 10 know what porn is, yet they cant do anything about until they get into highschool or college. But because PARENTS who thing childern should be sheilded from this stuff (though if they do that this site may loss the next genertaion of hentai lovers) never actually do ANYTHING to go through this, CP may stay a rolling topic. As for customs is concern... FUCK CUSTOMS, I AM TAKING A PLANE AND A COVERING MY BOOKS IN BOOK COVERS (black/green double layers for extra safety).
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And that is why some websites like plecomi and others specifically warn that you are purchasing porn at your own risk. I do agree that because of real child porn, governments do have a right to err on the side of caution. But the thing we need to know is what type of comic or whatever was in possession.
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waar was not arrested,any way we gotta abide to law, if loli is CP for your country, all your bitching can do nothing about it.
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Hold on there was a news report some years back, where US Congress declare that Loli is not child porn because there are no actual children in it. So where was this arrest made? If it in US some aiport can get their ass sue. If it in Canada, then well... Canada suck for that arrest. Hentai is fantasy and as long as people stay in fantasy land, they should not be persecuted. take it to reality and I say we get an angry mob and hang them.
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I didn't know carrying doujinshi was even a legal issue. It's pretty ignorant to be cuffed and thrown into prison for penciled in artwork, because that's really all it is.

You can say that sexual context is just sexual context. Or make up an excuse and say that you like the drawings. No one questions when a person buys a nude painting, because by our standards now it legitimate art.
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Intent to import IS against their laws. The only part I think is silly is arresting people for merely bringing their own manga over the border.
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I live in Canada but luckily all of my questionable porn is on a small flash disk that's easy to hide or, in case of an emergency, break.
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That someone happened to be waar. Getting arrested because of hentia/porn possetion, i don't know what to think. Its a stupid thing to do unless its CP.
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It's also a gray area from the prosecutorial standpoint. I know that I have one or two manga and a few text stories that would not pass the 'miller test'. But they are less than 1% of my total collection and they're in there for other themes than character age anyway. The guy who got arrested had a whole LIBRARY OF LOLI. I don't want to throw loli lovers under the bus because I do truly believe that loli does not equal RL CP. But unless you have a massive collection of loli, download actual CP, are being prosecuted for a sex/obscenity crime, or just go through the streets carrying a banner of a naked Konata Izumi screaming "I love loli! I love loli!", then there's not much to worry about IMO.

(USA resident speaking)
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Hmmm well that must've sucked~
Ive passed through customs with yaoi in my hand-luggage ;D
andd have had no problems muahahha~
Do they actually see the content on the books when they go through the x-ray machine >____>; Might put them in my suitcase next time xD

But then again, to be arrested because youu own a naughty book 18+ POLEAASEEE!~
Thats a little too pathetic its only a book, its not like youu had the loli kid next to youu in a maid outfit =.= thats when id be worried ;___;
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