Innatism vs. Empiricism
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Innatism is a philosophical doctrine that holds that the mind is born with ideas/knowledge, and that therefore the mind is not a 'blank slate' at birth.
Empiricism, in philosophy, is a theory that emphasizes the role of experience and evidence, especially sensory perception, in the formation of ideas.
However, there is another theory to innate ideas, [Psychological] Nativism, holding that innate beliefs are in some way genetically programmed to arise in our mind, differing from innatism which refers to the philosophy of Plato and Descartes who assumed that innate ideas and principles are placed in the human mind by a God or an equivalent being or process.
Seeing as how ones opinion on porn says a lot about a person, I thought I'd try this poll/debate on the greatest hentai site and forum on the world wide web.
Innatism is a philosophical doctrine that holds that the mind is born with ideas/knowledge, and that therefore the mind is not a 'blank slate' at birth.
Empiricism, in philosophy, is a theory that emphasizes the role of experience and evidence, especially sensory perception, in the formation of ideas.
However, there is another theory to innate ideas, [Psychological] Nativism, holding that innate beliefs are in some way genetically programmed to arise in our mind, differing from innatism which refers to the philosophy of Plato and Descartes who assumed that innate ideas and principles are placed in the human mind by a God or an equivalent being or process.
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Ugh, it's hard to word this over the internets.
I think that, yes, people are born with certain bits of knowledge and preprogrammed moralities and ideologies.
You know the saying "Heros are born, not made."?
It's kind of like that. You need to be born with the temperament.
It's also the reason you will meet people whose favorite task is your most loathed, and vice-versa.
I think that, yes, people are born with certain bits of knowledge and preprogrammed moralities and ideologies.
You know the saying "Heros are born, not made."?
It's kind of like that. You need to be born with the temperament.
It's also the reason you will meet people whose favorite task is your most loathed, and vice-versa.
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I believe in Empiricism.
Because of my niece and nephew that I watched grow up and was a very big part of, I believe I am somewhat qualified to answer this question. When they were born, the only thing that they knew how to do was beat their heart, breathe, and scream. These three things are the only thing that could possibly be tied to any form of instinct or otherwise. Now the interesting part here is that they can scream. Screaming allows the child to express that he dislikes something.
I like to think of it as a computer. The childs mind is not developed enough at the beginning to start to understand complex ways of thinking (like the early computer). All he can do is express his dislike towards something in a black or white sense by screaming(like a switch). But as his mind develops, he gains more switches and slowly there arises gray areas in his way of thinking. He also starts to gain a bit of memory which will be the basis of his subconscious self. His first memories will forever be chiseled into him. He will start to recognize people by the way they look, smell, and sound. He will start to be able to do simple tasks like a dog will. He will start to understand that some things are not as bad as others. And eventually when he understands the language his parents are speaking, he will start to accept their ideas/knowledge that they are allowing him to hear.
Because of my niece and nephew that I watched grow up and was a very big part of, I believe I am somewhat qualified to answer this question. When they were born, the only thing that they knew how to do was beat their heart, breathe, and scream. These three things are the only thing that could possibly be tied to any form of instinct or otherwise. Now the interesting part here is that they can scream. Screaming allows the child to express that he dislikes something.
I like to think of it as a computer. The childs mind is not developed enough at the beginning to start to understand complex ways of thinking (like the early computer). All he can do is express his dislike towards something in a black or white sense by screaming(like a switch). But as his mind develops, he gains more switches and slowly there arises gray areas in his way of thinking. He also starts to gain a bit of memory which will be the basis of his subconscious self. His first memories will forever be chiseled into him. He will start to recognize people by the way they look, smell, and sound. He will start to be able to do simple tasks like a dog will. He will start to understand that some things are not as bad as others. And eventually when he understands the language his parents are speaking, he will start to accept their ideas/knowledge that they are allowing him to hear.
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I think we are born with basic insticts that promotes observation and absorbation of our surroundings. When enough data is collected, the newborn starts to experiment on it's own to find out how the world works, but the source of information would still always be the surrounding.
It's very much like a program, our minds, and with so many years of gathering data, I wouldn't be surprised if something smarter than humans will be made during my expected lifespan. Maybe something that isn't stupid enough to forget everything upon death.
It's very much like a program, our minds, and with so many years of gathering data, I wouldn't be surprised if something smarter than humans will be made during my expected lifespan. Maybe something that isn't stupid enough to forget everything upon death.
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A little from column A a little from column B. Each individual person has a "pre-set" mannerism to them, a part of that is how they are raised another part is their genetics and biochemistry, you can be an awesome parent but if your child has really strong violent instincts, it is very hard to control them and teach them control, if you are a lousy parent and your child has really good instincts which are in fairly good control then they will probably only grow up socially deficient as opposed to being potentially violent sociopaths contained in a metaphorical box, but if you raise them well enough, they could just end up football players since they get to hit stuff all the time which is a good outlet for those instincts.
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Nothing a good ass-kicking can't fix. I think that's the problem with parenting these days. Everyone's scared that their kid will call the police when you spank your kid.
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nsl41288 wrote...
Nothing a good ass-kicking can't fix. I think that's the problem with parenting these days. Everyone's scared that their kid will call the police when you spank your kid.Amen.
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I think it is mostly empiricism. Most other things can be explained by instinct. For example a child watches the adults while walking and the instinct tells it that moving that way is better, so it starts trying to learn it.
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Read a book called "Starship Troopers" by Robert Heinlein. Chapter 8 goes into stuff about this. I dont remember all the details of it, but it pretty much boiled down to "give yur child a butt-whoopin, cane people instead of jail time, and the world will be great".
The BOOK! not the MOVIES! The movies are a travesty that should have Heinlein rolling in his grave.
The BOOK! not the MOVIES! The movies are a travesty that should have Heinlein rolling in his grave.
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I think we're born with a tiny bit of knowledge, mostly basic stuff like how to use our mouth to scream and breathe, and a few very basic moral rules.
Other than that, I think our parents create "us" in the first few weeks after tumbling out of the womb, as proven by several psychological experiments.
Other than that, I think our parents create "us" in the first few weeks after tumbling out of the womb, as proven by several psychological experiments.
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although i think some thoughts are "hardcoded" (if you know the hardware software analogy) its mostly empiricism that in the end forms our personality...
if thats what you asked
if thats what you asked
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nsl41288 wrote...
I believe in Empiricism. Because of my niece and nephew that I watched grow up and was a very big part of, I believe I am somewhat qualified to answer this question. When they were born, the only thing that they knew how to do was beat their heart, breathe, and scream. These three things are the only thing that could possibly be tied to any form of instinct or otherwise. Now the interesting part here is that they can scream. Screaming allows the child to express that he dislikes something.
I like to think of it as a computer. The childs mind is not developed enough at the beginning to start to understand complex ways of thinking (like the early computer). All he can do is express his dislike towards something in a black or white sense by screaming(like a switch). But as his mind develops, he gains more switches and slowly there arises gray areas in his way of thinking. He also starts to gain a bit of memory which will be the basis of his subconscious self. His first memories will forever be chiseled into him. He will start to recognize people by the way they look, smell, and sound. He will start to be able to do simple tasks like a dog will. He will start to understand that some things are not as bad as others. And eventually when he understands the language his parents are speaking, he will start to accept their ideas/knowledge that they are allowing him to hear.
1) with your neice and nephew they are born with a shit load of things they can do, you can only see a few off them.
2)And you claimed breathing, screaming and beating the heart are the only instint kind of things. Also wrong there, An infant's body will shut out everything but the vital organs when the body is being damaged now as an adult you lose this ability. When we get hurt we do not shutdown parts of our body.
3) The whole screaming thing. It's not just a child thing. Screaming is a universal instinct in both adults and children. If a women is about to get raped by default she will scream, If a man get's his stomach ripped open he will scream. All human's show there dislike of something by a screaming. Adults have found more ways to express there dislike of something (Language) but they will always default to screaming in the end.
4)You said a child can't understand complex thinking. Now that all depends on your definition of thinking. A child does not think like an adult, because a chld is only interested in survival, so it is built to think like that. An Adult is built to think of reproduction and is built to think like that. Children think in squares and we think in circles so you cannot compare the two types of thinking.