Is Obama a good Pres?
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I abstained from voting because I think Obama will be a mediocre president. If he had inherited a better America, I think he would have been able to actually go through with many of his reforms without losing support and be at least above average in terms of history.
As the world stands now, though, people's minds will be turned to conservation instead of spending. Unfortunately, all of Obama's reforms require an absolutely ludicrous amount of money to start and maintain. So, Obama is faced with a lose-lose situation: abandon his "change" platform and save money or enact reforms and plunge the nation into even more debt. Remember, his support base is rabidly divided into groups that all think their reform is one of the most important things to ever happen upon politics. Should he go back on even a small portion of his major reform promises he will be bashed by the same vocal groups who helped him gain the presidency. Harshly.
Another thing to remember is that America is a democracy and so is slow. It's probably also one of the reasons that the reforms haven't yet been implemented.
I also just don't like his socialist policies. I really like the idea of living better and having more because I'm just that much more awesome than everyone else.
As the world stands now, though, people's minds will be turned to conservation instead of spending. Unfortunately, all of Obama's reforms require an absolutely ludicrous amount of money to start and maintain. So, Obama is faced with a lose-lose situation: abandon his "change" platform and save money or enact reforms and plunge the nation into even more debt. Remember, his support base is rabidly divided into groups that all think their reform is one of the most important things to ever happen upon politics. Should he go back on even a small portion of his major reform promises he will be bashed by the same vocal groups who helped him gain the presidency. Harshly.
Another thing to remember is that America is a democracy and so is slow. It's probably also one of the reasons that the reforms haven't yet been implemented.
I also just don't like his socialist policies. I really like the idea of living better and having more because I'm just that much more awesome than everyone else.
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misterstupid wrote...
O yes you can jude them before there out.We bgan judging Bush LONG before he was done with his second term same with teddy roosefeld FDR and Lincoln.A good way to start to judge(or just make predictions i prefer that.)is when the prez is in the middle of his term that is when we begin to see the effects of some decisions and if he was good and we can speculate the final out come of saide decisions.We may yet know soon if his investment in alternate fuel is the right decision our decisons up till now have been proven to cause global warming and are killing us all.If we dont bailout banks then we dont have somewhere to store money se what im getting at its all about good mid term predictions when you can start to see whats gonna go down.If you had bothered to read my entire post, you would have noticed the bit where I said you probably won't see results until during or after the second term. And anyway, people are already judging Obama. People were judging bush during his first term as well. I'm not talking about when people *do* start judging a president, only when its sensible to start judging them.
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Alex Jones again huh. He was wrong about the 9/11 inside job and now they're making fucking conspiracy videos about Obama. Then again Obama did say yes to the Patriot act.
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A friend e-mailed this to me. This just happens to be one of the most odd things I've seen about Obama. I figure I get some other opinions on it. This just came out of the blue for me.
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Watched it all, pretty entertaining, yet blood boiling.(If it's true)
Similar to what I heard from this kid:
The problem I have with this dude Alex Jones, is that he has a confirmation bias. Basically he finds anything as evidence for his theory that there are pricks that want to enslave us, but ignores everything that says otherwise. I never trusted Obama to begin with so it's no surprise that a politician that made promises is not keeping them.
Another problem that I have is that he is way too detailed in the description of the plans that all these government and elite pricks have in store for the submissive ignorant masses. How does he know all of this? I'm going to guess that he formulates most of his little story based on the confirmation bias I mentioned earlier.
Finally, assuming that everything he says is true, how the fuck are you supposed to make the people, who are already indoctrinated to trust the government and it's system, to believe this story. I will always be skeptical about the claims that this dude puts out and I will not stop questioning the bullshit that our government feeds the masses.
Basically, I don't know who to trust. If I receive a letter telling to do that mandatory 3 month training bullshit, I will have lost what little trust I have in anything that has to do with government.
Similar to what I heard from this kid:
Spoiler:
The problem I have with this dude Alex Jones, is that he has a confirmation bias. Basically he finds anything as evidence for his theory that there are pricks that want to enslave us, but ignores everything that says otherwise. I never trusted Obama to begin with so it's no surprise that a politician that made promises is not keeping them.
Another problem that I have is that he is way too detailed in the description of the plans that all these government and elite pricks have in store for the submissive ignorant masses. How does he know all of this? I'm going to guess that he formulates most of his little story based on the confirmation bias I mentioned earlier.
Finally, assuming that everything he says is true, how the fuck are you supposed to make the people, who are already indoctrinated to trust the government and it's system, to believe this story. I will always be skeptical about the claims that this dude puts out and I will not stop questioning the bullshit that our government feeds the masses.
Basically, I don't know who to trust. If I receive a letter telling to do that mandatory 3 month training bullshit, I will have lost what little trust I have in anything that has to do with government.
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Oh my big bang(I say big bang because I'm an atheist and thought it might get a giggle out of someone.) 2 hours I got 15 min in and well it's not gonna happen.
Yet this make me wonder. See I expect that politicians lie to us and do the oppisite of everything they say. Dosn't everyone else?
But Obama becoming hitler well now thats just crazy conspiracie junkies blamming someone for their problems.
Yet this make me wonder. See I expect that politicians lie to us and do the oppisite of everything they say. Dosn't everyone else?
But Obama becoming hitler well now thats just crazy conspiracie junkies blamming someone for their problems.
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Has anybody notice Obama playing the blame game? You know, "Everything would of did better if so and so didn't do this" Not exactly a good technique for displaying bi-partisan efforts, but it shows that he isn't a bitch like Bush. Oh and the loop hole that AIG found in the stimulus bill is a fucking joke. I'm not trying to hate on Obama because it's too soon to say if he is a good President or not. He even said in his inauguration speech that change will not come soon.
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This is one of those things that caught me all the way off guard. Its just leave you with that whole What if feeling. It might be completely false propaganda. But what if its true. That what really gets me.
As for that AIG thing. I look at it like this. As much money as they dumped into the campaign. They're just looks like they are just getting what they paid for.
As for that AIG thing. I look at it like this. As much money as they dumped into the campaign. They're just looks like they are just getting what they paid for.
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So far i think he's doing okay, he's not the best president we've ever had but he's still good
but it seems like there are some people who love obama for whatever he does good or bad
and some who just find something wrong with everything he does even if it's a good thing.
just something that came up a lot when i was talking to my friends
but it seems like there are some people who love obama for whatever he does good or bad
and some who just find something wrong with everything he does even if it's a good thing.
just something that came up a lot when i was talking to my friends
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Even if it's too early to tell if he's a good president or not, we can still judge his current actions to see what direction he's going to take. That direction does not look good...
One of the reasons why Bush was such a hated president was because he spent billions on a war people didn't agree with (including other areas) and drug it out. I'm one of those people that didn't like how he spent those billions. But the fact that Obama has spent more than every president in history combined bothers no one? >_>
I still don't see where people get the idea that Obama has helped the economy. The economy is still in the dumps and still declining at a rapid pace. But I will give it to the people that too early to judge him on economic issues still. But what I can disagree on is spending 1.2 Trillion. The money is to get the economy circulating again? Bull shit. What do people do when they're in debt? Spend more money? No, they try and save as much as possible and try and pay it off the debt. How are we supposed to pay this increasing debt off? Of course the tax payers are going to do it. Exactly what we need in a failing economy, more taxes.
In addition, Obama used part of the trillions he spent on buying banks and GM. This scares the shit out of me because every dictator in history seized banks at the beginning of their careers. Call me paranoid, but that shit is stinky... Not only that, buying the banks and GM didn't do jack shit except keep the drowning companies afloat for a little bit. They aren't doing any better than they were before.
Another thing I hate about this administration is Obama's choices for offices in the government. Need I say anything about Timothy Geithner, who is treasury despite his fishy history of tax evasion? Or about Supreme Court judge Alito who belongs to La Raza who think of themselves like the Aryans thought of themselves during the Nazi regime.
There are more reasons I think he's a sucky president, but I'll leave it as is right now...
One of the reasons why Bush was such a hated president was because he spent billions on a war people didn't agree with (including other areas) and drug it out. I'm one of those people that didn't like how he spent those billions. But the fact that Obama has spent more than every president in history combined bothers no one? >_>
I still don't see where people get the idea that Obama has helped the economy. The economy is still in the dumps and still declining at a rapid pace. But I will give it to the people that too early to judge him on economic issues still. But what I can disagree on is spending 1.2 Trillion. The money is to get the economy circulating again? Bull shit. What do people do when they're in debt? Spend more money? No, they try and save as much as possible and try and pay it off the debt. How are we supposed to pay this increasing debt off? Of course the tax payers are going to do it. Exactly what we need in a failing economy, more taxes.
In addition, Obama used part of the trillions he spent on buying banks and GM. This scares the shit out of me because every dictator in history seized banks at the beginning of their careers. Call me paranoid, but that shit is stinky... Not only that, buying the banks and GM didn't do jack shit except keep the drowning companies afloat for a little bit. They aren't doing any better than they were before.
Another thing I hate about this administration is Obama's choices for offices in the government. Need I say anything about Timothy Geithner, who is treasury despite his fishy history of tax evasion? Or about Supreme Court judge Alito who belongs to La Raza who think of themselves like the Aryans thought of themselves during the Nazi regime.
There are more reasons I think he's a sucky president, but I'll leave it as is right now...
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But the fact that Obama has spent more than every president in history combined bothers no one? >_>
You have to account for inflation to get a realistic comparison.
Or about Supreme Court judge Alito who belongs to La Raza who think of themselves like the Aryans thought of themselves during the Nazi regime.
Just so you know, Alito was put on the Court by Bush.
I still don't see where people get the idea that Obama has helped the economy. The economy is still in the dumps and still declining at a rapid pace. But I will give it to the people that too early to judge him on economic issues still. But what I can disagree on is spending 1.2 Trillion. The money is to get the economy circulating again? Bull shit. What do people do when they're in debt? Spend more money? No, they try and save as much as possible and try and pay it off the debt. How are we supposed to pay this increasing debt off? Of course the tax payers are going to do it. Exactly what we need in a failing economy, more taxes.
In general, many economists believe that deficit spending is good when the economy is down and can be used to kick start things, but that we should pay down the debt(or at least run below the sustainable deficit) during times of relative economic prosperity. Unfortunately, this never happens since dems spend money like crazy and the GOP cuts taxes regardless of how appropriate it might be.
In addition, Obama used part of the trillions he spent on buying banks and GM. This scares the shit out of me because every dictator in history seized banks at the beginning of their careers. Call me paranoid, but that shit is stinky... Not only that, buying the banks and GM didn't do jack shit except keep the drowning companies afloat for a little bit. They aren't doing any better than they were before.
The TARP? There are certainly arguments against it, but I think claiming that it's a nefarious plot takes it a bit far. There has been some caving in to populist anger, but for the most part, the government hasn't really been trying to manage their acquisition and the plan is to sell back the subprimes at some point.
I think Obama has been a bit timid on certain issues where I think he should be bolder, like Guantanamo and torture and his foreign relations have gone pretty well so far. It will take a while to see what his economic plan accomplishes, if anything.
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WhiteLion wrote...
You have to account for inflation to get a realistic comparison.True, but the fact is, in dollar amounts, he's still spent more and the main focus of that statement was that Obama has spent more than Bush.
WhiteLion wrote...
Just so you know, Alito was put on the Court by Bush.Shit on Bush too then for nominating her. Also, it doesn't mean Obama had to seal the deal by appointing her to Supreme Court judge.
WhiteLion wrote...
In general, many economists believe that deficit spending is good when the economy is down and can be used to kick start things, but that we should pay down the debt(or at least run below the sustainable deficit) during times of relative economic prosperity. Unfortunately, this never happens since dems spend money like crazy and the GOP cuts taxes regardless of how appropriate it might be.That's true and the economists are knowledgeable for sure, and have great ideas. But ideas on paper don't always end up being the same when carried out. But I agree wholeheartedly on what you said about the two parties and how they handle the economy being foolhardy.
WhiteLion wrote...
The TARP? There are certainly arguments against it, but I think claiming that it's a nefarious plot takes it a bit far. There has been some caving in to populist anger, but for the most part, the government hasn't really been trying to manage their acquisition and the plan is to sell back the subprimes at some point.I can see where you're coming from, but the opinion of Obama and socialism (which is only a few steps shy of Communism) doesn't really give a vote of confidence. I really do hope the government will sell back the banks and companies.
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WhiteLion wrote...
Just so you know, Alito was put on the Court by Bush.Shit on Bush too then for nominating her. Also, it doesn't mean Obama had to seal the deal by appointing her to Supreme Court judge.
I believe you are confusing Alito and Sotomayor. Bush nominated Alito who is a current justice and has been comfirmed. Sotomayor is Obama's current nominee to the court who has yet to be confirmed.
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WhiteLion wrote...
WhiteLion wrote...
Just so you know, Alito was put on the Court by Bush.Shit on Bush too then for nominating her. Also, it doesn't mean Obama had to seal the deal by appointing her to Supreme Court judge.
I believe you are confusing Alito and Sotomayor. Bush nominated Alito who is a current justice and has been comfirmed. Sotomayor is Obama's current nominee to the court who has yet to be confirmed.
Looked it up and you are indeed correct. Sorry about the confusion. D:
But Sotomayor is still a part of La Raza...
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Really not enough has happened for me to really form an opinion about him. I voted for him, but I would have rather voted for Clinton, but anything was better than allowing McCain to follow in the footsteps of Bush's failed policies.
It is sad really, Bush wasn't a terrible President by any means, but he just made some simply dumb decisions, but he did it for he thought was for the best of his party at least. I can't bring myself to hate him for that even though I would like to pin everything on him. Obama is bound to do similar things.
It is sad really, Bush wasn't a terrible President by any means, but he just made some simply dumb decisions, but he did it for he thought was for the best of his party at least. I can't bring myself to hate him for that even though I would like to pin everything on him. Obama is bound to do similar things.
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I love this thread, it's just wrongfully titled.
I think Obama does a great job and a horrible job.
One, he does a great job in proving my expectations of him right, and living up to this favorite adage of mine:
Two, I very strongly preferred Bush over the current President, for tactical reasons. Obama is not enough like Bush, and that is why he is doing a horrible job. Too watered-down.
I think Obama does a great job and a horrible job.
One, he does a great job in proving my expectations of him right, and living up to this favorite adage of mine:
Spoiler:
Two, I very strongly preferred Bush over the current President, for tactical reasons. Obama is not enough like Bush, and that is why he is doing a horrible job. Too watered-down.
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gibbous wrote...
One, he does a great job in proving my expectations of him right, and living up to this favorite adage of mine:Spoiler:
Which is why the terms "Demicans" and "Republicrats" are being thrown around now-a-days. It's kinda scary how accurate that quote is...
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gibbous wrote...
I love this thread, it's just wrongfully titled.I think Obama does a great job and a horrible job.
One, he does a great job in proving my expectations of him right, and living up to this favorite adage of mine:
Spoiler:
Two, I very strongly preferred Bush over the current President, for tactical reasons. Obama is not enough like Bush, and that is why he is doing a horrible job. Too watered-down.
That's like me saying France has two left wings: the liberals and the really liberals. Of course, the political systems are a bit different. The parliamentary system makes it easier for a handful of third party MPs to get elected(and even sometimes enough for a coalition government), while the US federal system allows politicians to be a bit more independent of their party by making them less reliant on it.
Still, I've got no problem with private ownership of property, and if that makes the US right wing, so be it.
There definitely are significant policy differences between Obama, Bush, and McCain, even if they all move around in what would pretty much be the right wing in a place like France. To what extent policy goals are realized is always a variable though.
Also, care to elaborate on your "tactical reasons?"