Is obama really a good Pres? US topic

No he is not.However in this day and age when all presidents are puppets,it can't be helped.

Or we could simply look at the fact he supports the patriot act and continues the drug war.

I don't need statistics to say that the interests of the American people are not considered by him.

If someone walked up to you, kicked you in the nads, then gave you $100 dollars, you you realize they've still kicked you in the nads, right?

After his term is almost over all I can say for this guy is :
He has done nothing special.

Everything he has done was nothing for the people but for his superiors.

This country has been suffering a lot since Bush became president. ( I didn't look at Clinton or anybody else because I was young at the time )

So this question of yours has already been answered by the actions of this man.

Like I said, one or two facts. The entire American system is screwed up regardless of what you think of Obama so you're probably going to hate the next president just as much. Also, I'd take the $100, just saying XD.

The point is ... he failed at serving the country for the well being of the people.

Many are dissatisfied from the results and I believe they will keep letting a bad guy in to ruin it all.

It always has been like that, politics are nothing more than a bunch of actors wearing a tie.

He signed the NDAA for God's sake, with that the police can attack, assassinate, and even torture anyone they wish, ever since that came in effect there has been nothing but police brutality all over the country and they even killed a few and got away with it.

Everybody wished for change ( regardless of good or bad ), they got it.

Many complain how Obama vetoing the NDAA could have been overturned due to a congressional majority.

While that may or may not be true, Obama did not have the liberties of his people in mind because he simply signed it without giving much a fight, then made a stupid excuse.

Besides, he renewed the patriot act and continues the drug war for God's sake!

This is indeed the worst times of MY life .... I thought I was born into a time of peace and normality, turns out I was living in a corrupted and tyrannical time since long before even Jesus came into play.

Oh what a fucked world and timeline I live in.

Oh well, thank you God for Fakku.

He's been an adequate President. But nothing special. I didn't really hold my breath over the past four years waiting for a big surprise out of him. He's done some good, some not, but I'm not going to complain. I'm still living practically the same way I was before him, and as long as that doesn't change too much, I don't have any beef with him.

[color=#2e1a6b]Obama isn't even an eligible president. The birth certificate he took forever to release was a forgery


his wife even admitted that Kenya is his home country



[color=#2e1a6b]...and Obama takes his orders from the UN, not from congress.

ARE WE STILL ON THIS!!! It was claimed to be a forgery. I seriously doubt that republicans really even cared whether or not it was real. They just get all on Obama becasue he isn't on their wing. Just look at how they hounded him over the whole "If you got a business" thing. They completely misquoted him and then made an entire campaign on it.

[color=#2e1a6b]Are you even trying? That is known is Argument of repetition, and it's a logical fallacy. I doubt you even listened to the evidence. There is electronic evidence that the document was modified, as well as an inconsistency with the "vital statistics coding".


[color=#2e1a6b]Um... of course republicans (as well as libertarians like me) care whether or not it's real. If it's fake, then he is ineligible for president


[color=#2e1a6b]We get on Obama because of all the atrocities he's done as president


[color=#2e1a6b]your right, we shouldn't oppose a president preaching communism, and we should thank him for saying that we didn't build our own business.


[color=#2e1a6b]You need to provide a source for such a claim, though, I really don't care

[color=#2e1a6b]great, if only you had proof


[color=#2e1a6b]Wow, already pulled the "racist" card. One is not free from criticism/opposition simply because of his race. You are actually committing Ad Hominum by calling us racists.

I would love to have a black president... if he was a libertarian, or at least close to a libertarian.


[color=#2e1a6b]Because there is evidence that Obama's birth certificate is fraud. There wasn't any evidence that past presidents were not natural born citizens, therefore there were no allegations.


[color=#2e1a6b]I already explained above. I realize that you're new here, but please read at least some of the thread before posting.


[color=#2e1a6b]Um... which quote are you talking about? who misquoted it? how did they misquote it? who was lying? what was the lie?

^kinda important information you left out


[color=#2e1a6b]I didn't say that I didn't care about what others say; I said that I didn't care if he could prove his accusation against republicans, since I'm not a republican. Quite hypocritical of you since you just accused someone of misquoting

[color=#2e1a6b]If you think this is proof, then I'm stopping now, as this will go nowhere.

[color=#2e1a6b]scroll up


[color=#2e1a6b]hmmm...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=192oEC5TX_Q#t=1m41s

[color=#2e1a6b]yep, total lie


[color=#2e1a6b]bullshit

For someone who doesn't care you sure took you some time out of your day to go back against everything I said. Now, where to begin?

1st off, I don't believe the evidence. Politicians can create scandals very easily. Even if the freaking Jesus Christ said it was real Republicans would still say otherwise because it hurts Obama which helps them. It also doesn't change the fact that he is our president and until someone finds proof that he came from another country he is going to remain our president for the next few months at the very least

2nd, when I said "they" get on Obama I meant the Republicans. At it's core, politics is about competetion. The Democrats will do what ever it takes to beat the Republicans and vice versa.

And last but not least you need to check your own sources. Obama doesn't preach communism. Never did. People misquoted it to fit what ever the hell they wanted to say about Obama. Remember that part of his speech where he said "My point is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together." Most people don't because it doesn't help an anti-Obama arguement.

Let me see if I can find these so called libertarian policies that you claim have been put into place. A foreign policy of non-interventionism is in place so obviously we haven't been in any non-declared wars nor have we been wasting billions on a military budget that not only exceeds every other country in the world but nearly exceeds every other country in the world combined. Certainly there aren't any acts that have recently been extended that greatly threaten our most basic civil liberties.

I also find it quite hypocritical to ask for proof from someone when refusing to give any yourself. Lelouch24 did give evidence and you essentially ignored it or acted like it wasn't good enough when you didn't even attempt to give any for your own claims.

And if you really think the constitution is anti personal freedoms and pro big government, then you certainly aren't talking about the constitution of the united states. Seriously you should know what a libertarian actually is before making these claims. Also when you make claims that someone disagrees with, it is only logical to give facts that support those claims. It is asinine otherwise because it suggests that you are conceited enough to actually believe that they are to just accept your views and change their mind without any actual facts.

I think I'm with Lelouch24 on this one and not going to argue with you. It's a bit pointless when you claim to give proof and facts without actually doing so. You are nearly equivalent to a troll. And your supposed understanding of libertarians couldn't possibly be further from the truth.