Make Marijuana Legal?

Should Pot be legalized?

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JikunTigre wrote...
marijuana REALLY should be legal.I mean, think about it, it a medicinal herb in small amounts, and since its a plant, its all good. Tobacco should be illegal since that shit can give you CANCER!(and this is coming from a guy who has NOT smoked)


Mari can give you cancer too ...
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lordisgaea4 wrote...
JikunTigre wrote...
marijuana REALLY should be legal.I mean, think about it, it a medicinal herb in small amounts, and since its a plant, its all good. Tobacco should be illegal since that shit can give you CANCER!(and this is coming from a guy who has NOT smoked)


Mari can give you cancer too ...


but tobacco is worse when you think about it and marijuana can be used to trea a few cancers
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lordisgaea4 wrote...
JikunTigre wrote...
marijuana REALLY should be legal.I mean, think about it, it a medicinal herb in small amounts, and since its a plant, its all good. Tobacco should be illegal since that shit can give you CANCER!(and this is coming from a guy who has NOT smoked)


Mari can give you cancer too ...


Have you even actually heard/read of a person who has a cancer because of weed? I cant be assed to search for proof right now, but I've heard many times that weed can actually slow cancer cells from developing.

Edit: well, it wasnt that hard
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  • Studies in mice and rats have shown that cannabinoids may inhibit tumor growth by causing cell death, blocking cell growth, and blocking the development of blood vessels needed by tumors to grow. Laboratory and animal studies have shown that cannabinoids may be able to kill cancer cells while protecting normal cells.


  • A study in mice showed that cannabinoids may protect against inflammation of the colon and may have potential in reducing the risk of colon cancer, and possibly in its treatment.


  • A laboratory study of delta-9-THC in hepatocellular carcinoma (liver cancer) cells showed that it damaged or killed the cancer cells. The same study of delta-9-THC in mouse models of liver cancer showed that it had antitumor effects. Delta-9-THC has been shown to cause these effects by acting on molecules that may also be found in non-small cell lung cancer cells and breast cancer cells.


  • A laboratory study of cannabidiol in estrogen receptor positive and estrogen receptor negative breast cancer cells showed that it caused cancer cell death while having little effect on normal breast cells.
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I think they should just legalise every hard drug and regulate them, make people pay high taxes if they wanna use them, have warning labels etc. so that companies can't be liable. This would then help cut out a lot of corruption concerning drugs regulation, bribery, mafias and allow for new businesses. Of course this is not ethical as it's killing people etc. but more rehab clinics and such can be built, new services made blah blah. Well the whole point of my argument is for more transparency - legalising all this stuff can help with regulation and less things for the police to be corrupt with. There are countries where the police blame people they hate by planting drugs on them, sell confiscated drugs and many other stuff. The FDA is pretty corrupt itself anyway. People do things to benefit themselves so lots of FDA approved goods aren't any healthier, they're just a better way for the organisation or the government to benefit. It's like the saying - 1/4 of what you eat keeps you alive and 3/4 of what you eat keeps your doctor alive - what you eat pertaining to all the pesticides, herbicides and chemicals approved by the FDA for use in agriculture that make livestock literally chemical incubators. I'm not a vegetarian and I eat all that shit, but I try hard to eat as organic as I can.
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Pot is healthier than cigarettes and alcohol, if used with a vaporizer. and it doesnt have addicting properties too.

Hard drugs are different. take Ecstasy for example, it has a risk of causing permanent damage to a person. a friend of mine has been really fucked by it and he's just no the same anymore, so is someone that a friend of mine knows.

meth, just the same, now that is really bad for everyone and no one should even try it.

and on and on...
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Raparperi wrote...
lordisgaea4 wrote...
JikunTigre wrote...
marijuana REALLY should be legal.I mean, think about it, it a medicinal herb in small amounts, and since its a plant, its all good. Tobacco should be illegal since that shit can give you CANCER!(and this is coming from a guy who has NOT smoked)


Mari can give you cancer too ...


Have you even actually heard/read of a person who has a cancer because of weed? I cant be assed to search for proof right now, but I've heard many times that weed can actually slow cancer cells from developing.

Edit: well, it wasnt that hard
Spoiler:

Antitumor activity:

  • Studies in mice and rats have shown that cannabinoids may inhibit tumor growth by causing cell death, blocking cell growth, and blocking the development of blood vessels needed by tumors to grow. Laboratory and animal studies have shown that cannabinoids may be able to kill cancer cells while protecting normal cells.


  • A study in mice showed that cannabinoids may protect against inflammation of the colon and may have potential in reducing the risk of colon cancer, and possibly in its treatment.


  • A laboratory study of delta-9-THC in hepatocellular carcinoma (liver cancer) cells showed that it damaged or killed the cancer cells. The same study of delta-9-THC in mouse models of liver cancer showed that it had antitumor effects. Delta-9-THC has been shown to cause these effects by acting on molecules that may also be found in non-small cell lung cancer cells and breast cancer cells.


  • A laboratory study of cannabidiol in estrogen receptor positive and estrogen receptor negative breast cancer cells showed that it caused cancer cell death while having little effect on normal breast cells.


This part of the article speaks abouth THC (probably injected in blood), not smoking marijuana , which makes a big difference .

Here is two article speaking abouth it .

http://lungcancer.about.com/od/causesoflungcance1/f/marijuana.htm

http://www.cancerresearchuk.org/cancer-help/about-cancer/cancer-questions/does-smoking-cannabis-cause-cancer

If you dont want to read them all , here is the important fact :

"Cannabis smoke contains many of the same cancer causing substances (carcinogens) as tobacco - at least 50 of them."
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if you use a vaporizer there is NO SMOKE, so no cancer causing substances. if you use it in a roll or a bong sure youll get the smoke
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This video might have a point in some cases, even though it was made my CollageHhumor

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kengenerals wrote...
This video might have a point in some cases, even though it was made my CollageHhumor


Decriminalization is indeed a good alternative.
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Superstring wrote...
kengenerals wrote...
This video might have a point in some cases, even though it was made my CollageHhumor


Decriminalization is indeed a good alternative.


I always thought this was the best route to take. I realize that the government could "profit" off of regulating the sale of the stuff, but that won't really get rid of the people who sell it illegally now- in fact, it'll probably just make catching criminals harder. If the government just decriminalized it, most of the silly drug war BS would go away. That said, decriminalizing harder, more addictive drugs may be a slippery slope, but hey- other countries have done it (like Portugal,) and drug use seemed to actually go down.

Guess we've just gotta wait for the government to catch up with the rest of the world's progress.
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Aside from the legal stuff youre helping the planet by going green youre planting and not "bricking" some street or forest, the plants is medicinal if used well, it can make you have friends.
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ARCD wrote...
it can make you have friends.


Well, you can get friends with weeds help, but just about anything you're interested in can get you friends, you'll just have to look from the right places.
ALSO. Even tho most of the stoners I know are the nicest people ever who wouldnt hurt a fly, you can also get wrong kind of friends with weed. Like if you have loads of weed often, some people may start using you by hanging out with you when you have weed, but when you dont, they dont even remember you.
Just an example, because I know a guy who sees other stoners in way too positive light and he trusts people who smoke too easily.
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Friends do not come from weed, weed comes from fiends.
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First I'd like to say I've never done weed nor will I ever. That said It should be legal. The reason is simple: Freedom.

I was listening to talk radio on my way home today and they had this doctor on that was saying weed does this to you and weed does that to you especially to youngsters. Why is it that when people want to ban something or when people want to keep a ban on something they always use the risk to your health argument? I forget the stuff they listed as health risks(I remember some of them were psychological) but I could care less. It isn't anyone's job but my own to protect me from me. Which is exactly why some drugs are illegal: the government is trying to protect you from you.
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It should be legal, yeah. You probably shouldn't be able to drive or operate machinery while you're high just like you shouldn't when you're drunk, but it should for sure be legal.
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I am not fond of smokers so I mainly go for the no on this. I have yet to meet out of the large amount of pot smokers I have met, one that actually smokes it for medical reasons. To me keep it medical for that aspect or make so smokers need to only smoke in their homes and need to take a shower afterwards, most of them stink. I rather see all smokers go, but the benefits for a state tax wise to legalize it cannot be ignored. So I can see it being legal. Just hope good amount of restrictions are on it, examples: locations, driving.
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blinkgirl211 wrote...
I am not fond of smokers so I mainly go for the no on this. I have yet to meet out of the large amount of pot smokers I have met, one that actually smokes it for medical reasons. To me keep it medical for that aspect or make so smokers need to only smoke in their homes and need to take a shower afterwards, most of them stink. I rather see all smokers go, but the benefits for a state tax wise to legalize it cannot be ignored. So I can see it being legal. Just hope good amount of restrictions are on it, examples: locations, driving.


So basically your reason for taking someones freedom away is they stink? That seems rather petty to me.

As for the mention of a benefit for the state if taxed not sure why that's worth mentioning, really all taxes are benefits for the government why would this one be special? If anything I would rather see it not taxed specifically.
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Reaperzwei wrote...
blinkgirl211 wrote...
I am not fond of smokers so I mainly go for the no on this. I have yet to meet out of the large amount of pot smokers I have met, one that actually smokes it for medical reasons. To me keep it medical for that aspect or make so smokers need to only smoke in their homes and need to take a shower afterwards, most of them stink. I rather see all smokers go, but the benefits for a state tax wise to legalize it cannot be ignored. So I can see it being legal. Just hope good amount of restrictions are on it, examples: locations, driving.


So basically your reason for taking someones freedom away is they stink? That seems rather petty to me.

As for the mention of a benefit for the state if taxed not sure why that's worth mentioning, really all taxes are benefits for the government why would this one be special? If anything I would rather see it not taxed specifically.


First the stink part was a joke. Not sure how them smoking weed is taking away freedom since it isn't legal completely yet...

Secondly taxes on it would benefit the state not just government. State can take funds from the taxes on marijuana and then put it back into project to benefit the state like roads or parks. Any state that legalize it would put high tax rate on it anyway. But with the tax it makes it almost pointless for people to actually buy from an actual store cause they would get it cheaper for a local drug dealer. So even if legalizing it the problems around it wouldn't be solved. Hence why I say don't bother with legalization.
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blinkgirl211 wrote...
First the stink part was a joke. Not sure how them smoking weed is taking away freedom since it isn't legal completely yet...


Ok I'll rephrase: continuing to restrain ones freedom. As for the stink part well if it was a joke ok but I didn't see anything else besides that as to why you think pot should remain illegal.


blinkgirl211 wrote...
Secondly taxes on it would benefit the state not just government. State can take funds from the taxes on marijuana and then put it back into project to benefit the state like roads or parks.


eh? The state is government. When you talk of benefiting the state your talking about government run stuff. The government can tax any number of things to get the funds for stuff like that or heck they could cut back to get that funds for stuff like that. Either way still not seeing why taxing pot is special. Besides they probably wouldn't spend that much of it on such things in the first place.


blinkgirl211 wrote...
Any state that legalize it would put high tax rate on it anyway. But with the tax it makes it almost pointless for people to actually buy from an actual store cause they would get it cheaper for a local drug dealer.


Well that's another reason why if its legalized it shouldn't be taxed specifically like cigarettes are. Also not sure that would actually happen basically your saying that pot right now is cheaper than what a store could sell it for if legal. I somehow doubt that even if it was taxed simply because of the way in which both parties would get their supply and the fact that the corner drug dealer would still be doing something illegal. If it was legalized their would no doubt be a license involved in selling it with, which the corner drug dealer would not have, not to mention they wouldn't be collecting taxes.

We could compare such a hypothetical scenario to whats happening with cigarettes right now. Taxes in a few states if not a lot of states have gone way up over the past like ten years. Is there a black market for cigarettes? I honestly don't know the answer to that but I think whatever the answer is, it would be an interesting comparison. Really don't think states would tax it high to begin with anyway. They might and probably would over time but I don't think they would do that right away.


blinkgirl211 wrote...
So even if legalizing it the problems around it wouldn't be solved. Hence why I say don't bother with legalization.


Curious what are these problems and if legalizing it isn't the answer what is?
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Reaperzwei wrote...

Ok I'll rephrase: continuing to restrain ones freedom. As for the stink part well if it was a joke ok but I didn't see anything else besides that as to why you think pot should remain illegal.


What reasons why should it be legal though? If it is medical then that is fine people who actually need it should use it and it is already like that unless I am mistaken. What reason would it be to have it legal for recreational purposes? I really don't see what the point would be if you really cannot smoke it in public like a cigarette.

Well that's another reason why if its legalized it shouldn't be taxed specifically like cigarettes are. Also not sure that would actually happen basically your saying that pot right now is cheaper than what a store could sell it for if legal. I somehow doubt that even if it was taxed simply because of the way in which both parties would get their supply and the fact that the corner drug dealer would still be doing something illegal. If it was legalized their would no doubt be a license involved in selling it with, which the corner drug dealer would not have, not to mention they wouldn't be collecting taxes.

We could compare such a hypothetical scenario to whats happening with cigarettes right now. Taxes in a few states if not a lot of states have gone way up over the past like ten years. Is there a black market for cigarettes? I honestly don't know the answer to that but I think whatever the answer is, it would be an interesting comparison. Really don't think states would tax it high to begin with anyway. They might and probably would over time but I don't think they would do that right away.


If you don't tax it then a business would raise their prices to pay that extra taxes on them which would defeat the purpose. Basically the business would pay taxes based on income and if part of that income is already gained cause of taxes it is less of a hit on them. So not taxing it wouldn't work.


Curious what are these problems and if legalizing it isn't the answer what is?


The only way to stop all those problems would be get rid of marijuana completely, but since that isn't possible there is no clear cut way of solving all the problems.

The main point is I don't see what the point of legalizing it? You can say for medical reasons, but people who need it for medical can get it with a doctor's prescription. I think I am most against it cause the group I see do it are the same people complaining about not having money. So it isn't really a needed object, like cigarettes, so I guess it just annoys me in that sense.