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I recently been watching documentaries about the cause of WMD's, now, I'd like to give my opinion on the matter.

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Now lets start off with America, obviously, America is well developed with high tech warfare, notable with the use of lasers, advanced weapons and unmanned drones.
The most serious effect would be a EMP or a Electro Magnetic Pulse. Why? The American army depends heavily upon electric equipments, radios communications would be cut off and the place would be scattered. Along as supports as aerial vechiles and electronic ground units such as Tanks which required electricity to run for most certain parts.
If it wear to be dropped on the heart of America could cause thousands of miles to be affected, not only that but as we all know the cables and transformers will be fried which will cause the equipment useless even if the aftershock of the EMP would be stopped.

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In populated place like China would be devastating with "Germ Warfare", a biological weapon like "Q fever" easily spreads by just inhaling it, especially on a country like China with bustling streets. Yet a more infamous bio-weapon would be Anthrax, anthrax can survive the harshest conditions, it can be found all over the world, from the hottest places like Africa from the cold environments as Antartica. Anthrax is an "endospore", this kind of bacteria can live of to decades or centuries, and yes, there is a cure, but it will be too late when the disease are already spreaded out on different parts. In the Vietnam war, you must have heard of the "Agent Orange" which spreaded most on the corners of the country.
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As you can see the most focused was on South Vietnam rather than the Northen Part, the program's goal was to defoliate forested and rural land, depriving guerrillas of cover; another goal was to induce forced draft urbanization, destroying the ability of peasants to support themselves in the countryside, and forcing them to flee to the U.S. dominated cities, thus depriving the guerrillas of their rural support base and food supply, in short it was part of a Unconvential Warfare

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A third world country in most parts of Africa and mostly South East Asia would be a "Shock and awe" campaign, which is deliberately sending mass units into an area to demoralize or even break their will to fight, a third world country would be overwhelmed with the mass numbers and equipments and the invaded country would most certainly surrender if they were to prevent blood shed.

[As again, the would be my thoughts if it were to happen, before you mention things like "Well, can they drop a bomb with numerous countermeasures? Or can they do it with the countries back with the UN?" Again, these would only be my thoughts if it WERE to happen. You could post more info upon the controversy or correct my statements.]
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I agree that the fastest and hsrdest hitting blow one could do against NA would be to disable our technology. I'm not sure if dropping a EMD is possible however? Isn't there another sure-fire way to disable tech over such a wide area? How about a simultaneous attack on power plants and the like? Then again this option could be thwarted by USA's northern allies.
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So... what exactly is your main point?
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Sprite wrote...
So... what exactly is your main point?


No point actually, just sharing my thoughts.
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Currency.

For example, if every other country in the world decide to flood the market with U.S. external debt, the value of U.S.D would plummet due to hyperinflation.You would now only be able to buy one piece of bread when you were able to buy 50 loaves with the same amount. Every and any American who had savings in U.S.D. would be utterly bankrupt, and the country would be in chaos.

This would completely cripple the economy and every aspect of the peoples' lives within the country. Thus rendering a country devastated. The thing about this is the U.S. can't even fight a war to prevent this. If, for example, they make an agressive move towards somewhere in asia, and the Chinese - Largest U.S. debt holders, view this as an absolute threat to their wellbeing, they would dump all their U.S.D and U.S. external debt into the market, causing possible hyperinflation. Then the price of oil, or any other essential, would be multiples of what they are now. This could even render their entire military immobile.

So in conclusion, the balance of their currency.
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Heizan-Tr5 wrote...
Currency.

For example, if every other country in the world decide to flood the market with U.S. external debt, the value of U.S.D would plummet due to hyperinflation.You would now only be able to buy one piece of bread when you were able to buy 50 loaves with the same amount. Every and any American who had savings in U.S.D. would be utterly bankrupt, and the country would be in chaos.

This would completely cripple the economy and every aspect of the peoples' lives within the country. Thus rendering a country devastated. The thing about this is the U.S. can't even fight a war to prevent this. If, for example, they make an agressive move towards somewhere in asia, and the Chinese - Largest U.S. debt holders, view this as an absolute threat to their wellbeing, they would dump all their U.S.D and U.S. external debt into the market, causing possible hyperinflation. Then the price of oil, or any other essential, would be multiples of what they are now. This could even render their entire military immobile.

So in conclusion, the balance of their currency.


Euro VS Dollar

2012 - The dollar lost value against the euro, as it appeared the eurozone crisis was being managed. By the end of February, the euro was worth $1.3463.

2011 - The dollar's value against the euro fell 10%, then regained ground. As of December 30, 2011, the euro was worth $1.2973.

2010 - The Greece debt crisis strengthened the dollar. By year end, the euro was only worth $1.32.

2009 - The dollar fell 20% thanks to debt fears. By December, the euro was worth $1.43.

2008 - The dollar strengthened 22% as businesses hoarded dollars during the global financial crisis. By year end, the euro was worth $1.39.

2002-2007 - The dollar fell 40% as the U.S. debt grew 60%. In 2002, a euro was worth $.87 vs $1.44 by December 2007.
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My vote goes to alien invasion, or godzilla.
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Chyort wrote...
Sprite wrote...
So... what exactly is your main point?


No point actually, just sharing my thoughts.


If there's no point then there's no discussion.
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Depriving them of water or poisoning their water system.

Take away what the body needs every single day, and they'll kiss your ass like it's a gateway to Heaven.
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I say in our current time frame a double dip recession, or when the government realizes that they can't keep lying in order to keep every body in the dark. I think we're I'm that moment where things are about to collapse since things are getting a little better.
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Chyort wrote...


2002-2007 - The dollar fell 40% as the U.S. debt grew 60%. In 2002, a euro was worth $.87 vs $1.44 by December 2007.


My argument was completely based on educated theory, since no real case of such incident exists.

OT: The type of hyper inflation I mean isn't just a mere 40% fall in value, but more similar to the hyperinflation of the mark that devastated the German Economy during 1923. After that period of time however, Germany's economy started during remarkably well, but I doubt that the complete devastation of the U.S. currency would allow such a quick recovery.
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ToyManC Forgot my safe word
fatman wrote...
My vote goes to alien invasion, or godzilla.


I second the Godzilla vote!
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darkiway wrote...
I agree that the fastest and hsrdest hitting blow one could do against NA would be to disable our technology. I'm not sure if dropping a EMD is possible however? Isn't there another sure-fire way to disable tech over such a wide area? How about a simultaneous attack on power plants and the like? Then again this option could be thwarted by USA's northern allies.


By northern allies, I'll assume you mean us Canadians, and say, yes there would be a huge problem there, since a majority of the US is powered by nuclear and coal reactors in Canada's southeastern section. (Lower Quebec and Ontario mainly although I believe there are a few in the prairies)
Gaining access and shutting down the coal/fossil fuel versions wouldn't be overly painful to do however, in trying to gain access to any of the nuclear facilities you would need military training and a task force of about 70-120 men, full tactical gear. Each nuclear power plant has more security than the Royal Bank and the security task force is, in most cases, trained by military personell in both urban and jungle warfare. Not to mention the season would have to be perfect for it, never decide to do anything in winter, you'd be doomed if you had a task force trained anywhere but Russia, as the temperatures can drop below anything in the US and almost all of the EU. On the note of an AOE EMD, it would be extremely hard to do, however it is possible, if your main target is simply the US, and not all of NA. However the weapon would have to be build and produced with tech from within the country, and it would be unbearably hard to get ahold of all the tech required in order to maintain the final product, let alone discharge it. And, almost every military and government hardline server farm or tech operation is protected against potential nuclear warfare, and if your EMD doesn't have the pulse behind it to equal the pulse released by .... I think it was 12 consecutive nuclear warheads... then you may as well hope against hope everyone will fall asleep. Which would be easier to make happen than anything else. --Chemical and biological weapons are the poor mans atomic bomb-- Also, chemical and bacterial weapons are easier to dismantle, usually, and you don't have to worry about clean up, if right after you rinse the place with a flesh eating bacterium that is rigged to die after a set amount of hours. The most plausible course of action would be to simply gain political power and somehow get the US to instigate Canada in something. If political relations between the two keep deteriorating you might as well just get on the Canada wagon, cause the US isn't going to win, what with all their forces spread out throughout the entire EU as well as the Canadian forces being the best trained atm.... aside from the Russian special forces and the Iranian special forces, anyway.
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Data Zero Valkyrie Forces CO
Hmm If i remember, there was a documentary about EMP.

i i remember correctly, A single and powerful EMP bomb can take out entire USA defence. And there is no countermeasures for and and i can be done by any country who has enough experts and weapon material.

Anyway. Worst blow to country. Military might can break the spirit, but it can have other affect. Best way is to cripple theyr economy and slowly watch em bleed. The country either bleeds out, or the citizens itself cause a revolution.

You pretty much set a bomb when crippling economy. BUT thats only IF the country needs trade partners. if it can stand on its own its an useless tactic and leaves only military strenght.
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Data Zero wrote...
Hmm If i remember, there was a documentary about EMP.

i i remember correctly, A single and powerful EMP bomb can take out entire USA defence. And there is no countermeasures for and and i can be done by any country who has enough experts and weapon material.

Anyway. Worst blow to country. Military might can break the spirit, but it can have other affect. Best way is to cripple theyr economy and slowly watch em bleed. The country either bleeds out, or the citizens itself cause a revolution.

You pretty much set a bomb when crippling economy. BUT thats only IF the country needs trade partners. if it can stand on its own its an useless tactic and leaves only military strenght.


Actually, there is some countermeasures,
1. Send aircraft to intercept it
2. Launch a counter-ICBM [before it enters the area of effect of course]
3. Get the launch codes and disable it.

And we already know the US Dollar's has been decreasing by 20% since the year 2000
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My vote goes to a 10.0 earthquake or the supervolcano explosion of yellowstone and the like (bring on a half a decade of blocked sunlight to earth)

EMP is all cool and all but that shit doesn't kill anyone. And nothing's more proficient at killing stuff than mother nature. Bacteria and viral epidemics hold a very low chance of killing off mass populations in the modern world today with the advances of medical science.
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Massive emission of a ray of some kind sterilizing all male and female individuals in the country.

Your country just died. have a nice end of life.
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Th eproblem with mother nature is that it is out of our control. Anyone person that wanted to doom NA wouldn't want to doom the entire world with it, I would think
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Chyort wrote...
I recently been watching documentaries about the cause of WMD's, now, I'd like to give my opinion on the matter.

Forum Image: http://volusia912.org/assets/images/emp_map_graphic.jpg
Now lets start off with America, obviously, America is well developed with high tech warfare, notable with the use of lasers, advanced weapons and unmanned drones.
The most serious effect would be a EMP or a Electro Magnetic Pulse. Why? The American army depends heavily upon electric equipments, radios communications would be cut off and the place would be scattered. Along as supports as aerial vechiles and electronic ground units such as Tanks which required electricity to run for most certain parts.
If it wear to be dropped on the heart of America could cause thousands of miles to be affected, not only that but as we all know the cables and transformers will be fried which will cause the equipment useless even if the aftershock of the EMP would be stopped.

Forum Image: http://c0365781.cdn2.cloudfiles.rackspacecloud.com/datas/21240720/original/anthrax2.jpg
In populated place like China would be devastating with "Germ Warfare", a biological weapon like "Q fever" easily spreads by just inhaling it, especially on a country like China with bustling streets. Yet a more infamous bio-weapon would be Anthrax, anthrax can survive the harshest conditions, it can be found all over the world, from the hottest places like Africa from the cold environments as Antartica. Anthrax is an "endospore", this kind of bacteria can live of to decades or centuries, and yes, there is a cure, but it will be too late when the disease are already spreaded out on different parts. In the Vietnam war, you must have heard of the "Agent Orange" which spreaded most on the corners of the country.
Forum Image: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/ca/Aerial-herbicide-spray-missions-in-Southern-Vietnam--1965-1971.jpg
As you can see the most focused was on South Vietnam rather than the Northen Part, the program's goal was to defoliate forested and rural land, depriving guerrillas of cover; another goal was to induce forced draft urbanization, destroying the ability of peasants to support themselves in the countryside, and forcing them to flee to the U.S. dominated cities, thus depriving the guerrillas of their rural support base and food supply, in short it was part of a Unconvential Warfare

Forum Image: http://teachdylan.files.wordpress.com/2010/02/shock_and_awe_2.jpg
A third world country in most parts of Africa and mostly South East Asia would be a "Shock and awe" campaign, which is deliberately sending mass units into an area to demoralize or even break their will to fight, a third world country would be overwhelmed with the mass numbers and equipments and the invaded country would most certainly surrender if they were to prevent blood shed.

[As again, the would be my thoughts if it were to happen, before you mention things like "Well, can they drop a bomb with numerous countermeasures? Or can they do it with the countries back with the UN?" Again, these would only be my thoughts if it WERE to happen. You could post more info upon the controversy or correct my statements.]


No one will start sending nukes because our leaders are pussies.
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YoungSimba wrote...
Chyort wrote...
I recently been watching documentaries about the cause of WMD's, now, I'd like to give my opinion on the matter.

Forum Image: http://volusia912.org/assets/images/emp_map_graphic.jpg
Now lets start off with America, obviously, America is well developed with high tech warfare, notable with the use of lasers, advanced weapons and unmanned drones.
The most serious effect would be a EMP or a Electro Magnetic Pulse. Why? The American army depends heavily upon electric equipments, radios communications would be cut off and the place would be scattered. Along as supports as aerial vechiles and electronic ground units such as Tanks which required electricity to run for most certain parts.
If it wear to be dropped on the heart of America could cause thousands of miles to be affected, not only that but as we all know the cables and transformers will be fried which will cause the equipment useless even if the aftershock of the EMP would be stopped.

Forum Image: http://c0365781.cdn2.cloudfiles.rackspacecloud.com/datas/21240720/original/anthrax2.jpg
In populated place like China would be devastating with "Germ Warfare", a biological weapon like "Q fever" easily spreads by just inhaling it, especially on a country like China with bustling streets. Yet a more infamous bio-weapon would be Anthrax, anthrax can survive the harshest conditions, it can be found all over the world, from the hottest places like Africa from the cold environments as Antartica. Anthrax is an "endospore", this kind of bacteria can live of to decades or centuries, and yes, there is a cure, but it will be too late when the disease are already spreaded out on different parts. In the Vietnam war, you must have heard of the "Agent Orange" which spreaded most on the corners of the country.
Forum Image: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/ca/Aerial-herbicide-spray-missions-in-Southern-Vietnam--1965-1971.jpg
As you can see the most focused was on South Vietnam rather than the Northen Part, the program's goal was to defoliate forested and rural land, depriving guerrillas of cover; another goal was to induce forced draft urbanization, destroying the ability of peasants to support themselves in the countryside, and forcing them to flee to the U.S. dominated cities, thus depriving the guerrillas of their rural support base and food supply, in short it was part of a Unconvential Warfare

Forum Image: http://teachdylan.files.wordpress.com/2010/02/shock_and_awe_2.jpg
A third world country in most parts of Africa and mostly South East Asia would be a "Shock and awe" campaign, which is deliberately sending mass units into an area to demoralize or even break their will to fight, a third world country would be overwhelmed with the mass numbers and equipments and the invaded country would most certainly surrender if they were to prevent blood shed.

[As again, the would be my thoughts if it were to happen, before you mention things like "Well, can they drop a bomb with numerous countermeasures? Or can they do it with the countries back with the UN?" Again, these would only be my thoughts if it WERE to happen. You could post more info upon the controversy or correct my statements.]



No one will start sending nukes because our leaders are pussies.


Every First and Second world countries have nukes, you launch one at them, they'll launch at you, its like being friends with someone, while constantly pointing your gun at him. And oh yeah, there is a spoil command.
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