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I think this warrants a philosphical view on this topic.
As far as I'm concerned, mankind has always been fighting to survive. To live is to fight. One cannot eat without killing another being in the process. Of course, humans have evolved since the Cro-magnon stage, and it's a bit more civilized, but there's not much difference between then and now, e.g. we farm and buy meat off the shelves. We still fight, whether through war or cyberwar, in the officespace or in the streets. Of course, we don't like to think of that as "fighting", but rather as "friendly competition". The only thing that reaches are ears and shocks us are the wars, the crimes, violence, and death. I don't think much thought was put in outside of that, but we fight all the time, just usually not on the same level as the more dramatic stuff I mentioned a sentence ago. You can even consider arguing as an inherent human desire to fight and assert his or her existence in terms of who's right.
Knowing this fact, I think we would be able to understand each other much better and how humans operate on the psychological level. We fight, but only if we have to, which I think goes for everyone one of us here.
As far as I'm concerned, mankind has always been fighting to survive. To live is to fight. One cannot eat without killing another being in the process. Of course, humans have evolved since the Cro-magnon stage, and it's a bit more civilized, but there's not much difference between then and now, e.g. we farm and buy meat off the shelves. We still fight, whether through war or cyberwar, in the officespace or in the streets. Of course, we don't like to think of that as "fighting", but rather as "friendly competition". The only thing that reaches are ears and shocks us are the wars, the crimes, violence, and death. I don't think much thought was put in outside of that, but we fight all the time, just usually not on the same level as the more dramatic stuff I mentioned a sentence ago. You can even consider arguing as an inherent human desire to fight and assert his or her existence in terms of who's right.
Knowing this fact, I think we would be able to understand each other much better and how humans operate on the psychological level. We fight, but only if we have to, which I think goes for everyone one of us here.
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Well wars are fought becauses to stop wars from happening. now before you say "WTF", may i ask you what would you do if a country lets say Russia threatened you with a nuclear device?
They have the means to do so and you are 110% sure that without drastic action, they would do so. Imagine you are the US presdient, infront of you is the big red button which would launch a nuclear holocaust and devastate entire continents, but in doing so you are saving american lives which in your point of view is more important.
Would you do so and save your country in the short term but risk a WW3 and kill more in the long term in the coming inevitable conflict? Or would you gladly sit there and let them devastate your country?
They have the means to do so and you are 110% sure that without drastic action, they would do so. Imagine you are the US presdient, infront of you is the big red button which would launch a nuclear holocaust and devastate entire continents, but in doing so you are saving american lives which in your point of view is more important.
Would you do so and save your country in the short term but risk a WW3 and kill more in the long term in the coming inevitable conflict? Or would you gladly sit there and let them devastate your country?
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exterminatus wrote...
Would you do so and save your country in the short term but risk a WW3 and kill more in the long term in the coming inevitable conflict? Or would you gladly sit there and let them devastate your country?of course i wont sit my fat ass watching what their Topol-Ms level the states...
when that happens the first thing i would do is prep the interceptor missiles (missiles that kill nuke warheads) because if i push the big red button that says 'launch all ICBMs carrying nuclear MIRV warheads enough to obliterate a continent' then that would have BIG repercussions... conventional means such as supersonic, covert or saturation bombings, several divisons of infantry and armor on the ground, a command of planes on the air and support artillery, thats the thing most leaders now would send when all hell breaks loose...
death and war is inevitable i know that... but the leaders who either pushed the big button or ordered the nuke strikes will live to see the mushroom clouds hanging over the ruins of a former city blasted back to the stone age....
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Why spend resources on life when the 6 companies that own EVERYTHING and i'm seriously saying EVERYTHING ( Bank / Pharmacies / Supermarkets ) are companies that make nuclear weapons ( source : Noam Chomsky - Manufacturing Consent ) Whats the number 1 thing for the economy = War.
If you watch Manufacturing Consent, its an old movie, they show the 12 companies that control this world. Its an old 1989 movie? So today, its down to 6.
If you watch Manufacturing Consent, its an old movie, they show the 12 companies that control this world. Its an old 1989 movie? So today, its down to 6.
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I think I understand what you're trying to say, zeker. You're saying that war is inevitable and there will be WMDs, but why developer something that can obliterate millions of innocent civilians who aren't even involved in the war, correct?
Well, nukes are mainly for scaring the other country. I don't think it was really meant to be used, and is more of an insurance. Nukes were what kept us out of the war with mother Russia. As for Hiroshima and Nagasaki, well... Truman got trigger happy... >_>
Well, nukes are mainly for scaring the other country. I don't think it was really meant to be used, and is more of an insurance. Nukes were what kept us out of the war with mother Russia. As for Hiroshima and Nagasaki, well... Truman got trigger happy... >_>
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PersonDude wrote...
I think I understand what you're trying to say, zeker. You're saying that war is inevitable and there will be WMDs, but why developer something that can obliterate millions of innocent civilians who aren't even involved in the war, correct?Well, nukes are mainly for scaring the other country. I don't think it was really meant to be used, and is more of an insurance. Nukes were what kept us out of the war with mother Russia. As for Hiroshima and Nagasaki, well... Truman got trigger happy... >_>
correct... you got the point.... yeah the nukes are intended to scare the other countries shitless and its more than insurance... but let me tell you this persondude since i am a weapons hobbyist...
a single ICBM (since ICBMs can be travel long distances and are deadly) can have 5-6 MIRV warheads... and each warhead can erase a city... a nuke doesnt have friend-or-foe discrimination, it just obliterates EVERYTHING where it is detonated...
if a single button is what kept russia and the whole world stable, then well thats another story.... as i said war is inevitable... but instead use ordnances that doesnt destroy an entire city... such as MOABs, saturation bombing, precision artillery fire and etc... or in the Vietnam war's case, lots and lots of napalm....
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I myself was in the USMC , I've seen what war does to people , I've seen the people in the war , there judgements carried off of fear , anger , hate , revenge , and just plain want to kill. War is inevitable , no matter what we do , theres always going to be a state who wants to control another , be it out of wanting to increase land mass , or out of revenge...theres nothing we can do about it.
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I doubt that there would be a global war to a scale as destructive as WW2 in our lifetime or even our childrens lifetime. In a global community and the 21st century, we are too entrenched at the concept of globilisation cept for a few nations such as North Korea and cuba. We have too many risks by declaring war on each other as we rely on other nations to rovide for us.
I live in Asutralia and i know that the Chinese has been buying our ores and this had helped us from going into a recession. Whats more interesting is that China is a communist nation and Australia is a capitalist nation. It is often viewed that the two idealogies cannot be side-by-side, but there we are China and Australia going into a serious trade relationship.
so to summarise that the nature of warefare is going to change to ones of commerce and economics as it can devastate a country as much then a WMD or an army group.
I live in Asutralia and i know that the Chinese has been buying our ores and this had helped us from going into a recession. Whats more interesting is that China is a communist nation and Australia is a capitalist nation. It is often viewed that the two idealogies cannot be side-by-side, but there we are China and Australia going into a serious trade relationship.
so to summarise that the nature of warefare is going to change to ones of commerce and economics as it can devastate a country as much then a WMD or an army group.
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yeah but remember exterminatus that there will come a time where the past is repeated, and in this future war everything will change drastically. we dont know if radical leaders tried the impossible dream (save alexander the great), then prepare for the worst....
"there will come a time man will develop a weapon so powerful he is unable to control it and thus seize war forevermore" - thomas edison
"there will come a time man will develop a weapon so powerful he is unable to control it and thus seize war forevermore" - thomas edison
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I kinda have peaceful desires though I like to have war power since communication sometimes fail and technology also paved way to non lethal weapon and better communication interrogate first before passing judgement. I feel like a hypocrite though since I love fighting in entertainment and even sports(if it's the game).
People in ancient times till now doesn't always kill enemies, they sometimes only imprison.
I don't have motive to conquer, what drives people to conquer such as Nazi? So I can't think of what's the root.
On usual Philippine education and religion, this are the examples I can get(BTW I'm a low graded type).
War for the Promised Land in the bible, God promised land of overflowing milk and honey(which was like dessert), God says that people that already lives there are evil and God commanded Jews to defeat them. That part is around Joshua and till Apocalypse had wars.
Spain conquers Philippines, although I did study, I'm confused, is it to plunder their land and add more worker class?
Revolutionist though, did it for curing corrupt laws. And that when communication failed, for non filipinos, the communication thing I talk about are exposures to get Spain know of their corrupt officials.
So three examples
War by God: To destroy evil.
War for invaders: Luxury which is of peak human enjoyment.
War for revolutionists: To make fair.
People in ancient times till now doesn't always kill enemies, they sometimes only imprison.
I don't have motive to conquer, what drives people to conquer such as Nazi? So I can't think of what's the root.
On usual Philippine education and religion, this are the examples I can get(BTW I'm a low graded type).
War for the Promised Land in the bible, God promised land of overflowing milk and honey(which was like dessert), God says that people that already lives there are evil and God commanded Jews to defeat them. That part is around Joshua and till Apocalypse had wars.
Spain conquers Philippines, although I did study, I'm confused, is it to plunder their land and add more worker class?
Revolutionist though, did it for curing corrupt laws. And that when communication failed, for non filipinos, the communication thing I talk about are exposures to get Spain know of their corrupt officials.
So three examples
War by God: To destroy evil.
War for invaders: Luxury which is of peak human enjoyment.
War for revolutionists: To make fair.
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Gentlepervert wrote...
I kinda have peaceful desires though I like to have war power since communication sometimes fail and technology also paved way to non lethal weapon and better communication interrogate first before passing judgement. I feel like a hypocrite though since I love fighting in entertainment and even sports(if it's the game). People in ancient times till now doesn't always kill enemies, they sometimes only imprison.
I don't have motive to conquer, what drives people to conquer such as Nazi? So I can't think of what's the root.
On usual Philippine education and religion, this are the examples I can get(BTW I'm a low graded type).
War for the Promised Land in the bible, God promised land of overflowing milk and honey(which was like dessert), God says that people that already lives there are evil and God commanded Jews to defeat them. That part is around Joshua and till Apocalypse had wars.
Spain conquers Philippines, although I did study, I'm confused, is it to plunder their land and add more worker class?
Revolutionist though, did it for curing corrupt laws. And that when communication failed, for non filipinos, the communication thing I talk about are exposures to get Spain know of their corrupt officials.
So three examples
War by God: To destroy evil.
War for invaders: Luxury which is of peak human enjoyment.
War for revolutionists: To make fair.
same here... but to tell you something, im a weapon fan... but war is something...
im saying the next gen kills isnt the taking of prisoners, its about firing weapons that indiscriminately KILL... i think i know Hitler and the Nazi Party's goals:
>they want to reunite all german descent states into one big whole
>the reason they kill Jewish germans is hitler thought they were responsible for the defeat of the german empire in WWI
>like the rulers of the past that tried in vain tthe impossible dream
Uh since i too have studied, Spain just 'accidentally' discovered the archipelago when villalobos was heading somewhere and started to explore the lands. the spaniards were responsible for making the bustling capital of manila in the present by starting to build a massive town near a natural harbor (although they say that it has one of the finest natural harbors in the world). spain at that time was still in the age of travel and cartography (though portugese were thought to be renowned best navigators) so did the other developing countries.
the Revolutionary wars in a single country are the peoples way of saying "This is our land! you have no right to oppress us! if you wont be equal among us, then we will fight until the last droplet of blood!"
God's war is a holy war; dating from the genesis to the present day.
so im gonna clear something:
War by God: yes it is to destroy evil and save us
War for invaders: exploration (past), greed (past and present), power (present)
War for revolutionists: also right to make fair.. but to also give the people their own human rights