Stereotypes of blacks

important: IM BLACK (latin american)

black people are... dumb, hypocrite, muscle freaks, etc, etc, etc... THIS IS ALL WRONG. Many people still live in an era where black people are criminals, and white people are rich. Check your news, theres a BLACK president, most of the NBA is black, and so on... not gonna rant cause i aint getting nowhere but my point is that we are all people we live/die/kill each other/have sex/get sick/etc i seriously think that the people who are still behind 21 century should they die, be revive with the past memories in a black persons body.

First post back...wonder any1 remember me hmmm

Well I thought it would be obvious there relatively few black otakus,considering that black people are a minority in the USA and anime/manga isn't apart of the mainstream in American media at the moment. Just ask a couple of black people who is the strongest anime character and I bet that most would say Goku,Naruto,or Ichigo. Or how about asking if they listen to Japanese music like J-pop?

Your post is delicious because it is racism on opposite day, positive racism if you will. You say it is NOT true that black people are dumb, hypocritical, muscle freaks. I have to ask you: in what way is that statement different from saying that black people are indeed dumb, hypocritical and muscle freaks? Yep, positive racism.

In trying to not be racist, you are racist only on the other side of the house. You have to accept that some black people are dumb and hypocritical because some are! The racist will attack an entire ethnic group without distinction, the 'positive' racist will defend an entire ethnic group without distinction as well.

Unless you personally know every single black person in the World, you can't make a statement such as that one. The way I think racism should be eliminated is by stop putting all ethnic groups in the same bag. We can't be talking about white or black people. We have to be talking about Johns and Janes.

People who are really into anime usually would start to listen to Japanese music considering that it's in almost all anime openings. I don't find too many black folk listening to "Pon Pon Pon". Most give me weird looks.

I mention blacks being a minority to give you an idea how low the TOTAL number of black otakus there are. That is to say you are UNLIKELY to find any black otakus. Even though there are some people in America who are into anime/manga, they are small minority. You probably would find more white anime/manga lovers than black ones. As far as the ratio of black anime/manga to non-anime/manga viewers, I would say its probably lower than the white people ratio, based off of income statics and crime rate. Most of the Black anime/manga viewers aren't otakus.*side-note* I remember calling some black guy who claims he watch alot of anime a "Baka" and he had no idea what I telling him...Good Day...

1) Well actually it kinda does make you seem less into it when you compare it to someone who watch the same anime and the same number of episodes plus watch it the entire way through without skipping any parts. Though it isn't much. Its true that not everybody watch the openings but not everybody is an otaku.

2) I can't really give hard facts since I can't find any studies directly relating to the demographics of otakus in America. I can give logical deductions and back them up with reasoning. Moving on, the reason I mention crime rates and income statics is to point out that black people have one of the lowest income, highest unemployment, highest crime rate, and highest prison population. Why would I mention that? It is to show that black people don't have time spend on anime/manga. Do you think people in prison have time for anime? How about someone with no job? Or that guy with two jobs? Perhaps the one thinking which bill he's going to pay? Maybe the guy that got shot last week? Now couple with the fact blacks are a minority, saying there relatively very few black otakus isn't much of a stretch.

*side-note* To my defense, the dude was really a baka. He was saying that ANYONE from Naruto can beat end of Z Krillin in SECONDS... yeah... also those who just watch dubs are actually less into anime considering not every anime has dubs and English dubs usually are sub-par to the Japanese dubs, which could be due to English voice actors don't seem to be even trying at times... and the mistranslations don't help...

this world needs people like you.

i live in a every coexisting city and i have a good amount of black friends. i seriously think after all the time i spent with them like 80% of the stereotypes are true.

Please do realize that anime sound tracks are composed of more than Jpop. Jazz, Big Band, Orchestra, Country, Rap, Electro, Alternative, Rock, Instrumental, English worded, ect..

The Jpop I like is few and old, with how long I've been watching, and how many songs I've heard, a lot of Jpop just sounds like the same thing, over and over again, to me. Especially if I pay attention to the lyrics. I'm not a fan of any pop in general, with a "maybe exception" towards Kpop, with it being a different kind of sound for me. (The attractiveness of the performers is definitely a factor as well.)

Liking anime doesn't entitle liking Jpop.



"Crime and income" rates is not a logical statement... Only your poorly constructed conclusion. Since I am bother with this...

-(Most) Anime is directed to youths before adults, unless a majority of those who watch cartoon network are arrested before they can stay up late for adult swim.. statement kinda falls apart.

-Even if "you" don't like it Naruto, Dragon Ball Z, Bleach, ect... They "Are Anime".

-While blacks are consistently targeted and imprisoned more than any other race in the US, doesn't mean every black child/adult suffers from inequality and a looming imprisonment sentence, as you illustrate so beautifully.

-Anime only requires a computer and a internet connection, or a T.V. and a connection to t.v. networks...
(I dunno much about current "Saturday morning Fox", but they used to show Shaman King, Tokyo Mew Mew, One Piece, ect..)
(WB had Card Captor Sakura, Dragon Ball Z, Yu-Gi-Oh, Pokemon, ect..)
(With cable, their was Cartoon Netowrk's "Toonami" in the late 90's and early 2000's, and CN's "Adult Swim" since the early 2000's has shown a rather large repertoire of Anime shows.)
(I dunno if they still are, but even Sci-fi got into the mix with Toppa Tengen Gurren Lagaan, Soul Taker, Silent Mobius, Boogie Pop Phantom, ect...)

-When it comes to the net, there has been a large and incredibly well constructed community of pirates dubbed "fan subbers" who allow incredibly easy access into the world of anime for anyone capable of affording free torrent software.

-In hopes of capitalizing on the growing consumers overseas, anime companies have been making deals with internet companies like Crunchy Roll, to provide a free portal to anime that gives profits back to the company and help combat piracy. None the less, provides a means that only requires someone who can acquire a internet browser, and patients to sit through "literally" the same commercial 2-3 times in a row...

-You can even find "free" and "official", or unofficial, anime episodes and movies on youtube. Funimation has a channel there with free and trial views.

Inequality isn't a set back/preventative. And imprisonment rates are not high enough to cripple the entire race. I much rather not go into this one too much, a lot to go through to accurately convey all the parts of this. Something I am not to well informed in, and I'm not looking to make foolish assumptions.



Liking anime ≠ knowing fragmented Japanese. A large amount of anime comes in English dub when it comes to the states, and believe it or not, some people prefer it in English rather than having to read subtitles. Some people be so weird, eh? ~chukkle~



Do an equation... say a hundred people in jail... 100
And 80 are black...
But the amount of blacks outside prison are 9,920...

80% of prisoners are black, but 0.8% are in jail... It's a horribly constructed and inaccurate example, but it proves the point... Prison population isn't an accurate indication of population outside prison.

So ya... not logical... Doesn't show crap about how much time your average black youth/adult has... With only 5-10 hours a week with a internet connection, a few years back, I managed to keep up with every anime airing those season... An Anime episode is only 23 mins long and only required a comfortable seat and a manageable attention span...



I find you both idiot's, ignoring the obvious reason I should have for you, but the idea that you two fight over which imaginary character can beat another authors imaginary character to the point of question intelligence...ya~

It being "sub par" is a matter of taste, their are a number of Japanese voiced Animes in which I have felt the voice choices were bad to horrible. And while they may be mistranslations, often times, they are small enough to not impact the story. To someone who "doesn't" know the original (meaning to the) lines, it wouldn't bother them. Or to someone who can accept it either way... it really doesn't matter.

Translating one language to another isn't "always easy", and with anime, you have a very limited time frame to convey dialogue. The translation has to be within the time frame of the original Japanese, while still accurately portraying the character moods and emotional dispositions, so speed reading them aloud wouldn't work.

As an exercise, try converting the "inside jokes" of Sayonara Zetsubou Sensei into English dialogue, in the same time frame they are expressed, while remaining true to the original text, while explaining to those, outside of Japan, what it means...

[color=#006FFF]This.

I don't mean to get deep into this but honestly (and it's maybe because I think along the lines of Lollikittie) I think this idea of "What do you think of black people" is rather mundane because they/we (as a half black person myself) are people--human beings. And as such, some are assholes, others are jocks, others nerds, others are just overall great people, and everything in between.

I'm sure the conversation has turned into something much different by now, but I felt I should address the main question just because it caught my attention.

When I refer to Jpop I am usually referring to Band,Rap,Electro,and Rock. I didn't say liking anime means you like Jpop, I just mention it as a tendency.




So in your book crimes and having low to no income doesn't effect your ability to watch anime/manga at all? So if you were making less than 15k a year and have to live in a crime-infested neighborhood and live a hour away from your job, it wouldn't make the slightest difference in your ability to watch anime? If you already doing it or have done it before then kudos to you, if not your words don't have much weight. Also, you do realize that the internet and computer aren't free right? The cost of the internet can vary greatly depending on the ISP and location. Some people have to pay over a hundred dollars for internet and that's with limited bandwidth. If you get your computer stolen, which the warranty expired, how are you going to watch anime then? Watch it on tv? My statements do apply to youths since the internet or computers aren't free,usually. Note that when I refer to black people I speaking in generalizations and as such my statements don't to apply every black person and vary on accuracy depending on location and the individual.




Again, I didn't say liking anime equates to knowing some words in Japanese, I mention it as a tendency especially if claim to watch a lot of anime since the vast majority of animes don't have English dubs and Baka is used quite often.




Did you purposely took that out of context? I mention the high prison population of blacks to compare it to other ethnic groups, specifically white people. If 80 blacks and 20 whites are in jail then that is 80 less potential black anime/manga watchers and 20 less potential white anime/manga watchers. Clearly the anime community suffer a bigger loss from the black ethnic group compare to the white ethnic group. Even if it took you 5-10 hours a week to watch anime doesn't mean everybody can do it. What if they don't have a comfortable seat and/or a manageable attention span? Do you rule them out?





Said by the guy who apparently thinks computers and the internet are free...

1) Fictional realism
2) Mistranslation may not matter some viewers but they could destroy culture references like they did with DBZ.
3) Translation may not be easy but it doesn't change the fact that some translations are rather erroneous and it would be better to do some research on Japanese culture to fully appreciate/understand the plot of anime/manga.

Your "I don't find too many black folk listening to "Pon Pon Pon". Most give me weird looks." very heavily implies it.

If your refering to "Band,Rap,Electro,and Rock." then your in luck, a lot of African-American's listen to those genre's.



Personal experience is not equivalent to a collective, Rather "I" personally have or have not does not validate or invalidate my proposition. My experiences do not define the whole.

You've never heard of a library's, school computer labs, or free net for low income families through both cable/internet company and government based subsidies. Or heck, even DSL... For a time, a online school a relative of mine was going to, supplied him with both the computer and the funds for internet. Was a home schooling program funded through tax payers, pretty much a "public home school"... yadayadayada~ moving on...

People don't normally get their computers stolen... Most computers are not meant to be carried around. Warranties last 1-2 years, and most computers last 4-5. Fringe/extreme examples that have little to nothing to do with my statement, and can easily be thrown at any race.

Anyone who can afford a cellphone can afford a computer, they are computers at this point. Also, there are cellphone company and government subsidies for these too. The quality of the phone, I'm not entirely sure though...

The problem about generalizing, especially a group of people who live in a huge variety of living, economical, and locational differences, all on the same standard... is that it's stupid, plain and simple. What your doing is quantitatively no different than me stating "Most White Americans in the south live in mobile homes and are racist", "Most French men are rapist", "Most Africans are children soldiers/blood diamond miners", "Most Middle-Eastern's are terrorist", "Most Japanese are suicidal", "Most Chinese will kill or sell their daughter in a second"... I think you get the point... I hope. Your generalizing a whole group of people based off poorly contrived and obscured stereotypes. Generalizing is never anything you want to "boast".

Not that their is not inequality, or that blacks are not on a unfair scale in the economical and social world, because they are. But your generalization does not address anything to this regard, outside of stereotypes. It does not actually account for individual or collective circumstances beyond "their all dirt poor and can't afford shit", and yet you claim vigorously, how logical your statements are.



Ya sorry, I wrote "liking" instead of "watching", my mistake, but if you want to say you didn't say that... "I remember calling some black guy who claims he watch alot of anime a "Baka" and he had no idea what I telling him...Good Day..."

Numbers... Say their is 10,000 series of anime/manga.. (to small, I kno, tis example, and I should probably count games too).
3,000 of them make it to the states.
Majority doesn't make it here, but a substantial amount does.

Enough exist in an English format for an "American otaku" to invest an equal amount in comparison to a "Japanese otaku".



"Well I thought it would be obvious there relatively few black otakus, considering that black people are a minority in the USA..."

"I mention blacks being a minority to give you an idea how low the TOTAL number of black otakus there are. That is to say you are UNLIKELY to find any black otakus."

"As far as the ratio of black anime/manga to non-anime/manga viewers, I would say its probably lower than the white people ratio, based off of income statics and crime rate."

Seems like it's in context to me.. hmm...

Otherwise, it seems that I didn't realize how frivolous your standard for "high and low" was to be defined by such small amounts, as small as 0.8%. My apologies~

If blacks make up around 12% of the American population, which is 38 million.
And 0.8% are imprisoned (This one is inaccurate).
This means, by your accounts, your unlikely to find a black otaku...

Let me put it a different way...

If we use Japan's total pupoulation, not accounting for "non-Japanese".
Their total population is 126 million, 3x as much.
Against the total population of Whites in America, which is 223 million, around 2x as much.

(2010 consensus data)

Is it a 3x difference that's the "determining factor" for a low count? Couldn't I just as easily spin this as, "Your unlikely to find a Japanese Otaku versus an American Otaku"?

Actually, I can, if were only going off population count... But, that was neither your claim nor your proposition. You were going off a combination of African-American population count, income levels along with crime ratios, and mainstream appeal, as your main argument (just the phrases, not anything in actual depth to those claims). As well, easily missed the fact that, by comparison, Japanese are minorities as well, but that doesn't make their "Otaku count" "low"/"few".

As an added measure, that I don't feel like bothering with, account for the population of Africa and (a bit) of the Middle-East. If you want to use the open-ended "context" of the original quote, from your debate with ecchigaijin, that never actually indicates he/she is only regarding blacks only in America, And can very much be regarded as what ecchigaijin was debating, not assuming, but no context is given to this.

"Even if it took you 5-10 hours a week to watch anime doesn't mean everybody can do it" actually... Anime isn't one of those things that varies in duration based on the observer. The duration of an anime is very much consistent. 23-24mins, including the Op/Ed and preview.

"What if they don't have a comfortable seat and/or a manageable attention span? Do you rule them out?" was a joke, but if you want to blow out of proportion a fringe statement, why not apply this to "white people" too? Since, statistically speaking, there are more in the US, almost 7x, by comparison, that would mean, that many more of the White population in America can't "watch anime" in that time span either. And therefore, must not watch anime, since you seem to be indicating that being unable to do either or both equates to not watching anime at all.



Now "who's putting words in who's mouth"? At what point did I say, in my previous post, that "computers and internet is free". You seem to be misinterpreting "inequality in the African-Americans community" as "having no source of income to afford cheap and common luxuries/necessities". (What, do they all live in boxes?) All while completely dismissing my statements regarding television... So proud!

I love when my statement is deconstructed so that the other person can contest my weakest statements while ignoring what they can not debate. Makes discussion so much easier~

To #2~3. Not really, most anime isn't particularly rich in cultural aspects to the point of warranting independent research. For the few Animes that are plot heavy enough too, they are pretty self explanatory in their presentation and reveal of.

DBZ, as far as I know of, is a rather extreme and singular exception from another time. I really don't think you can regard it as relevant anymore. You'll have to use something from within the last 5-10 years.

Black people make great Vine videos

This comment is not raciest in the least bit. I don't like most black people. Simply for the fact that where I live, they all think they are gangsters, and gang bangers, and have little to no respect for anyone or anything. and that the soul world and people are there for only them and that there for the pleasure of entertaining them to there will.

But that the kind that lives here in Portland. I believe there are many that are good people. There should be more.

There is a black stereotype, the whole typical thug life character, but allot of the time it's not applied to black people. Sometimes when people make fun of a race's stereotype, they're making fun of those who fit the stereotype regardless of the race, and not the race itself. To my knowledge, the typical black stereotype is basically a swagfag-thuglifer, and when people make "black" jokes, they're sometimes making fun of "swagfag-thuglifers" and not blacks, but they can't really articulate it.



Black Jesus tells it like it is, most racism I've encountered is sarcasm. On a related note, you typed "there" instead of "their"... because you're black!



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The first person I met IRL that was also a fakku frequenter was black. We greet eachother with "Mah nigga!" even though I'm a thin white guy.



He's not really being reverse racist. When he says "black people aren't criminals," I don't think he really means that absolutely no black people are criminals. It'd be reverse racist if he said "black people are the master race" or something.