US Weapon laws

I know that it is a very delicious topic that has to be handled very carefully. I would like to know what you would think of the weapon law and if it has helped the country / if it is negative for it and what you think about the weapon lobby having influence on the politics.

I have seen very controversial opinions on that topic so far and as a person that lives inside the EU where weapon laws are way different, it is sometimes hard to understand the perspective from which you view things in the states.

i'm from the south and if you try to take our guns away your going to get shot.jk i dont agree with people just walking around with guns but as far as hunting HOME protection and things along those lines i think its fun

i think there's been a topic like this before.
it's called "martial law" or something,and the author is nate river as arecalled it.

but i personally thinks that no civilian should be allowed to carry a gun,since it's potentially fatal.

remember,even good guys could be bad guys if they have the power.

i think it's alright if it's something like taser or pepper spray.

I'm in favor. I miss the old days, when one had to be armed to walk alone at night.

These new "Safe" environments bore me.

I mean, what's wrong with carrying a Handgun/Rifle/Sword, as long as it's displayed in plain view, safely sheathed/holstered?

I see it in a light above two facts;

1) How many robberies/murders/etc occur in Gunshops or at Gun fairs?

Very few. Everyone is armed, for fucks sake.

2) Humans are naturally violent yet cautious creatures.

Give a man a sword, and he'll be tempted to use it. Tell him his neighbor has a sword, and he'll stop to weigh his options.

Deny a man a sword, and he'll get one anyway. And his neighbor won't have one. And then, what's to stop him to weigh his options?

Yes, yes. It's an old expression, I know, but it applies.

Teach teens to use weapons with practice swords and BB guns, teach them proper gun and blade safety, and at 17/18, present them with the gun and sword as gifts of adulthood.

I see less violent crimes occurring in a society where everyone is both trained and armed.

I forget the statistic but I believe it was like for every person in the south, each of them owned 5 guns. Everytime I visit my family there each summer, I am well aware of this fact =) There really is no greater benefit to oneself than knowing how to shoot a gun.

i like wat you said...
but omg when i was like 10 i show a shotgun with a bird bullet and omg my nose hurt for like 2day lol cuz it jerked back and hit me in the head lol that was a cool day lol...thanks unc

I think they should make bullets harder to get.

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:idea: EXACTLY

You should watch chris rock do standup about how bullets should cost 5 thousand dollars:

This is why we can't have nice things.

Heh, thought the same thing.

On the topic: I really dislike firearms (Not for pacifistic reasons.), so don't take my following words too offensive.

Firearms have the bad side effect of giving clumsy people the feeling of being untouchable, and are often used to compensate an inferiority complex - I even knew such a person myself.

I know this is about the US laws, but let me pull out an example.

The laws in Europe are quite different, and if you ask me, even worse than in the US. (In the meaning of nonsense.)

Over here, if you own a gun license you are still required to have your weapon and (Separately.) the ammunition for it safely locked away at all times.

And not too long ago, I had a debate about this topic with a friend of mine (Which is by the way not the person I mentioned earlier.), which owns a (If I'm not mistaken right now.) .44 Magnum revolver, which pretty much splatteres your brain all over the wall, a great feeling, isn't it?

The argument he (And pretty much everyone else I've talked about this.) brought about it claims that the person in possession of a weapon in his home has a way of defending himself when, for example, a robber breaks in, or should the own life or possessions be threatened in any other way.

And since you treasure your life and all, you need to defend yourself and stuff. But I ask you: If a robber dangerously enough to require a firearm to be fend off sneaks into your home, do you seriously think he'll let you use it? And do you think having it loaded underneath your pillow will change the fact that you're long dead (Probably by your own knives which got abducted from your kitchen.) before you even realize it, since you're not even aware of the fact that someone is inside your house due to the lack of sharp senses? Which, I believe, is the sole factor which can get you out of a really dangerous situation. (Edit: Alternatively get a dog instead of a weapon, lulz.)

If I'm a 'criminal', and I want to rob, rape, or simply see a motherfucker dead, and I know what I'm doing, no weapon, especially not locked away or holstered and in plain view (Like Arizth said.) is going to change a thing about it, as long as your mind is not trained in self-defense.

I believe that's on what your safety really depends, and not on the weapon you carry.

What all this has to do with the laws? Well, I placed my vote on option four.

A firearm in the hands of an average human makes a lot of difference, and especially for safety - just not his own.

That is where I got the idea for that. I'll still watch it again though

touche for bullet control, add that to the poll answers, i'll vote for that shit :D

"Every care must be taken that our auxiliaries, being stronger than our citizens, may not grow too much for them and become savage beasts." Plato

People will power desire to use it against those weaker than themselves. A criminal prays on people he knows won't put up a fight like gas station attendants or a guy who is unarmed. People with power tend to abuse it. If the police and the military are the only ones who have guns. Whats to prevent them from just storming into your house because they think you did something wrong? The laws? Cops don't even follow all of the laws they are meant to enforce.

If all guns are banned then only criminals will have guns. We saw how well prohibition worked and how well the war on drugs is working. Criminals will always have access to whatever they want. Banning guns only puts the honest people in danger.

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i don't think i'm understanding ur point(contradiction) , u're saying that banning guns is a bad idea for which criminals will always gain the opportunity to "purchase" or take control of firearms either way around, but u're also stating that peoples' natural desire for power will only lead to the abuse of the weaker if they are to be able to possess "power"(guns) in the first place. Banning guns completely is a ridiculous and unapproachable idea(though i lean towards it), but granting the general public the rights to bare arms also doesn't likely seem to work out either, the government(as much as i hate it as the next guy) is doing a fair job on the flow and control on firearms already in my opinion, we've got the "pretentious" police on our asses, on the other hand we got a fair amount of criminal to keep the news busy as well, so and so, it's an ok deal.

edit: but just for the sake of argument, if we want a better scenario, listen to Chris, raise the price of the "bullets", then one'll think twice before busting that pretty damn expensive "cap" up another's ass.

My thoughts exactly. The police are already oppresive enough in certain areas. If the general populace was disarmed then what would stop them from just killing any minor offender? Also, I know exactly just how easy it is to get a gun illegally. Just about any idiot can get his hands on a gun, but you have to deal with unsavory characters to do so. This will usually deter most law abiding citizens from attempting to obtain a firearm through this method. If all the gun shops were closed down, and all guns confiscated the only people left with guns would be crminals, law enforcement, and armed forces. Thus totally screwing the general populace.

@ns141288: I don't know about the rest of the south, but in Tx guns outnumber people roughly 7 to 1, and thats only the registered firearms.

Correct Several historic events have shown us that "banning" something that people want will just lead people to skirt the law and ignore it.




There isn't a contradiction. If the government is the only one allowed to have guns then we follow in the steps of the Soviet Union, German, Turkey,etc

In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control. From 1929, about 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

In 1911, Turkey established gun control. From 1915 to 1917, 1.5 million Armenians, unable to defend themselves were rounded up an exterminated.

Germany established gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to 1945 13 million were thrown into concentration camps.

Guns were banned in England and Australia
Australia
http://www.geoffmetcalf.com/aus.html
England
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/1440764.stm

The list goes on. Ban guns and you take away the ability for people to defend themselves against people who have access to those guns through illegal means.



This isn't meant to fearmonger. History has shown us that those in power who want to ban guns only want to do so to cement their control.

However, you have to take into concideration, in the U.S. we are guaranteed the right to keep and bare arms in the constitution. So for the government to do so would bring a whole world of shit right on top of their heads. The political parties would simply tear themselves apart, between the groups that are pro weaponry, and the groups trying to disarm the public. I really don't see it happening any time soon here, but then again you never know. The Patriot Act nullified due process so they could concievably enact some sort of policy to nullify the 2nd amendment. I hope I'm wrong.

The government has tried to control and or ban of all guns since before the Clinton administration. Nowadays even Obama wants to ban guns. I honestly want to see the faces of people when guns are banned and the government can waltz around and do whatever it pleases. When power is so one sided an extermination and genocide is at a mans whim. Whose to stop them at that point?