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So yeah. I was visiting other H-sites (www.doujinland.com to be exact) and came across this comment on the Resort Boin link.

Cerberus wrote...
Be careful with this man. They’re really starting to crackdown on international copyright laws. if you put up too much stuff they go around you to whoever host the server and have them shut you down. I’m just saying keep your head down, eyes sharp and ears open.


This is very true. So maybe people knowing less about FAKKU is actually quite good, yes?

Anyways, Be careful Raze, Jacob and Nikon. Just wanna say that.
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All good things must come to an end... not.

Well, the situation's has never really changed regarding posting illegal copied material on the net, it's just that the authorities have started to act more agressively. Who's this man that Cereberus is refering to?
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Since I am not too well-versed with computers, networks and the law, I shall present a noob-ish question.

Can the authorities shut a site down if it is hosted on a personal server?
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Gambler wrote...
Can the authorities shut a site down if it is hosted on a personal server?


somebody please answer "no, they can't" :(

g-money wrote...
Who's this man that Cereberus is refering to?


wouldn't that be the copyright holders or the copyright holder's henchmen?
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Gambler wrote...
Since I am not too well-versed with computers, networks and the law, I shall present a noob-ish question.

Can the authorities shut a site down if it is hosted on a personal server?


Yes, they'll present a order to cease and desist the sharing of material copyrighted within that country (if it's not published in the US, for example, they won't have a leg to stand on for telling a US site to stop sharing the files. There's rumblings about changing this, which would be the near pinnacle of money grubbing since it's essentially saying "well if it's popular, we'll go ahead and publish it. Go retroactively charge them with copyright infringement.") as well as fine the owners of the site for every download, force them to give up their data and logs so the users can be tracked down and then sue the "users" for copyright infringement. You know, what the RIAA does. MPAA acts a bit more responsibly, but that's not to say they couldn't do so. I would hope any manga publishers were smart enough to not commit terrorism on their own fanbase. Granted, leechers don't generate direct revenue, but if they provided them with free, lower quality materials and allowed anyone to modify them under a creative commons license for the purpose of either satire or fan based publicity, they would spread their product out a lot farther and reach more folks who might pay for it (for those not in the know, this crackpot fly-by-night school called Harvard had their business school (it's a masters program that is so bad it counts against you on a resume) do a study and long term those that do the most file sharing also buy the most material. That's right, because they could get a version for free to evaluate, they bought the actual material.

And just in case you don't know what Harvard is (for those not familiar with US schools and couldn't detect my sarcasm), it's actually a well respected Ivy league school who's business school is also well respected, arguably more so that the actual main school.
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Copyright law is silly.

I hope TPB actually gets IPETEE done.
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crazy_old_man_on_the_hill wrote...
Gambler wrote...
Since I am not too well-versed with computers, networks and the law, I shall present a noob-ish question.

Can the authorities shut a site down if it is hosted on a personal server?


Yes, they'll present a order to cease and desist the sharing of material copyrighted within that country (if it's not published in the US, for example, they won't have a leg to stand on for telling a US site to stop sharing the files. There's rumblings about changing this, which would be the near pinnacle of money grubbing since it's essentially saying "well if it's popular, we'll go ahead and publish it. Go retroactively charge them with copyright infringement.") as well as fine the owners of the site for every download, force them to give up their data and logs so the users can be tracked down and then sue the "users" for copyright infringement. You know, what the RIAA does. MPAA acts a bit more responsibly, but that's not to say they couldn't do so. I would hope any manga publishers were smart enough to not commit terrorism on their own fanbase. Granted, leechers don't generate direct revenue, but if they provided them with free, lower quality materials and allowed anyone to modify them under a creative commons license for the purpose of either satire or fan based publicity, they would spread their product out a lot farther and reach more folks who might pay for it (for those not in the know, this crackpot fly-by-night school called Harvard had their business school (it's a masters program that is so bad it counts against you on a resume) do a study and long term those that do the most file sharing also buy the most material. That's right, because they could get a version for free to evaluate, they bought the actual material.

And just in case you don't know what Harvard is (for those not familiar with US schools and couldn't detect my sarcasm), it's actually a well respected Ivy league school who's business school is also well respected, arguably more so that the actual main school.


Wow, i didn't know about that, they can, really?

anyways, a simple warning is always appreciated, afterall, no one can be too careful.

hope Fakku'll be safe.
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crazy_old_man_on_the_hill wrote...
Gambler wrote...
Since I am not too well-versed with computers, networks and the law, I shall present a noob-ish question.

Can the authorities shut a site down if it is hosted on a personal server?


Yes, they'll present a order to cease and desist the sharing of material copyrighted within that country (if it's not published in the US, for example, they won't have a leg to stand on for telling a US site to stop sharing the files. There's rumblings about changing this, which would be the near pinnacle of money grubbing since it's essentially saying "well if it's popular, we'll go ahead and publish it. Go retroactively charge them with copyright infringement.") as well as fine the owners of the site for every download, force them to give up their data and logs so the users can be tracked down and then sue the "users" for copyright infringement. You know, what the RIAA does. MPAA acts a bit more responsibly, but that's not to say they couldn't do so. I would hope any manga publishers were smart enough to not commit terrorism on their own fanbase. Granted, leechers don't generate direct revenue, but if they provided them with free, lower quality materials and allowed anyone to modify them under a creative commons license for the purpose of either satire or fan based publicity, they would spread their product out a lot farther and reach more folks who might pay for it (for those not in the know, this crackpot fly-by-night school called Harvard had their business school (it's a masters program that is so bad it counts against you on a resume) do a study and long term those that do the most file sharing also buy the most material. That's right, because they could get a version for free to evaluate, they bought the actual material.

And just in case you don't know what Harvard is (for those not familiar with US schools and couldn't detect my sarcasm), it's actually a well respected Ivy league school who's business school is also well respected, arguably more so that the actual main school.


This man speaks the truth. Though he went easy on the doom and gloom. I've gotta fix that. The way the laws have been set up now. Anytime you think your anonymous on the net your wrong. Every Download, every picture you've looked at, every google, yahoo, msn search you have ever done,etc,etc is all kept. They claim its for "Advertising purposes" but, its really just information gathering without your consent.
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Fiery_penguin_of_doom wrote...
crazy_old_man_on_the_hill wrote...
Gambler wrote...
Since I am not too well-versed with computers, networks and the law, I shall present a noob-ish question.

Can the authorities shut a site down if it is hosted on a personal server?


Yes, they'll present a order to cease and desist the sharing of material copyrighted within that country (if it's not published in the US, for example, they won't have a leg to stand on for telling a US site to stop sharing the files. There's rumblings about changing this, which would be the near pinnacle of money grubbing since it's essentially saying "well if it's popular, we'll go ahead and publish it. Go retroactively charge them with copyright infringement.") as well as fine the owners of the site for every download, force them to give up their data and logs so the users can be tracked down and then sue the "users" for copyright infringement. You know, what the RIAA does. MPAA acts a bit more responsibly, but that's not to say they couldn't do so. I would hope any manga publishers were smart enough to not commit terrorism on their own fanbase. Granted, leechers don't generate direct revenue, but if they provided them with free, lower quality materials and allowed anyone to modify them under a creative commons license for the purpose of either satire or fan based publicity, they would spread their product out a lot farther and reach more folks who might pay for it (for those not in the know, this crackpot fly-by-night school called Harvard had their business school (it's a masters program that is so bad it counts against you on a resume) do a study and long term those that do the most file sharing also buy the most material. That's right, because they could get a version for free to evaluate, they bought the actual material.

And just in case you don't know what Harvard is (for those not familiar with US schools and couldn't detect my sarcasm), it's actually a well respected Ivy league school who's business school is also well respected, arguably more so that the actual main school.


This man speaks the truth. Though he went easy on the doom and gloom. I've gotta fix that. The way the laws have been set up now. Anytime you think your anonymous on the net your wrong. Every Download, every picture you've looked at, every google, yahoo, msn search you have ever done,etc,etc is all kept. They claim its for "Advertising purposes" but, its really just information gathering without your consent.


I'm sorry, I thought you said doom and gloom. that's when they finally pass some law that says no private citizen or sole proprietorship can own copyright to a given work. In english, that would mean you can't own any work you make, but businesses could, provided they weren't a single person. I've little doubt that'll get introduced as a "corporate sponsorship and protection" bill.
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I'd make legal complaint because some of the stuff I cannot get due to simple thing such as language barriers preventing me. I dont think they'll ever shut them down unless they're willing to do the translating and selling the stuff everywhere..

I know I dont know the law well, but, it'll be what i'll do!
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they don't really care tbqh. they would blcok you from a toilet if it was some form of copyright infringement lol. but this kind of stuff has been around for so long.
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The only time copyright laws come into effect is when the company or the owner of said rights actively pursues charges against the people who disregarded those rights. The government will also interfere if someone decides to press charges for certain types of porn, some of the few exceptions are pedophilia and bestiality, even then they don't try too hard to find the perpetrators unless they are involving real people, and as this website doesn't really deal in the "real" side of porn, no one cares enough to do anything about it.
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Damn guess thats why Dojin-Moe got shut down. I'll just do my normal thing and keep this site to myself.
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I remember the time when those people were going out and targeting every site hosting hentai on their servers to remove and shutdown, etc. blah blah blah.

What's been bugging me is while these hentai companies and others most likely associated with them have been on a crusade to stop mostly the licensed, uncensored ones for the most part, I find it interesting, so far, that it's only THEM on a crusade.

What I'm kinda hinting at--and you could bring an axe to me to "Prevent ideas from getting out"--is that the regular companies, like Funi, ADV, and Viz, for example, aren't on this crusade as well for what they've licensed. A few past incidents aside, it's not as aggressive as the other guys basically. I'm not seeking a reason or an answer, nor am I trying to spawn another debate. Just pointing that out.

(Damn my posts are long)
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omnicide wrote...
Damn guess thats why Dojin-Moe got shut down. I'll just do my normal thing and keep this site to myself.


What, doujin-moe works fine.
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TehMikuruSlave wrote...
omnicide wrote...
Damn guess thats why Dojin-Moe got shut down. I'll just do my normal thing and keep this site to myself.


What, doujin-moe works fine.


Really? I haven't been able to log on. I keep getting this generic search engine site.
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omnicide wrote...
TehMikuruSlave wrote...
omnicide wrote...
Damn guess thats why Dojin-Moe got shut down. I'll just do my normal thing and keep this site to myself.


What, doujin-moe works fine.


Really? I haven't been able to log on. I keep getting this generic search engine site.


Hmm, weird.
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this is realtively old news to me. copyright this and establishment that, people are just trying to get back money they apparently deserve. and dont get me wrong they do, but sometimes they go to no end for the buck. ive heard of bait torrents to crack down on the file sharing community as well as many other... projects if you will, to clamp down on piracy. in my personal opinion they wont be able to judge/bill everyones actions on the net, they shouldnt give up but they should at least try to implicate something more effective.
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If this is what I've been hearing about, there's no real copyright crusade going on. It's mostly just the companies who've licensed hentai animes in America going around threatening sites that have been illegally making money off those animes (I hear Titanime and Lestai got taken down, though they're back up now) and requesting free hosting sites like Megavideo take down the videos in question (which I'm pretty sure is what happened to the old Videos section, and probably also why Wurmknight's site is gone - he hosted everything on free hosting). The hentai community, at large, is not in any real danger.

And, honestly, people run around proclaiming doom and gloom all day long. For nearly a decade now, every time a politician mentions drawings or a company sends a C&D letter, people start running around like crazy declaring the death of free online hentai and prophesizing that we're all going to be arrested and buttfucked if we don't purge our hard drives with power drills and give ourselves protective lobotomies RIGHT NOW to destroy all the evidence. And you know what? It still hasn't happened. I figured people would have learned that they can go ahead and stop jumping to the worst conclusion possible right away by now, because the government doesn't really give much of a damn about us and the American hentai companies are a fucking joke.
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hmm, this conversation kind of hit home for me, because there has always been something that has bothered me about the distribution and sales end of it.

seeing as the artists of doujins and fanbooks are using copyrighted characters, (as far as i know) against the consent of the original author, how is it that they are making any money from the product legally? i mean, to me, it would be like if i were to take batman, put him in my own comic, independent from dc and distribute and make money from said comic.

can someone clear my state of confusion? otherwise to me it seems like the original author/distributor really has no rights to tell you what can and cant be distributed online, unless directly asked to via the owner of the original copyrights.

so, if the way i am thinking is correct, then online distribution of doujin and fanart should be in no state of danger at all.

in terms of other things such as music, programs, and video, i cant say the same...
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