Who really came first?

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MidgarKonotsu wrote...
Whatever came first must of reproduced Asexually, and then evolved sex organs. I have no idea why, but what will be, will be.


Variation and socialization.
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Well, I'm going to ignore the whole thing about evolution, asexual reproduction and chicken v egg.

We have to ask ourselves, if women came before men, how did the x chromosome come about? I mean, it is true that the fetus is female at first and then develops into a male, at least theoretically, but doesn't that fetus have the x chromosome in it's DNA before it starts it's hit by the hormones that make it develop it's male sex organs? If that's true, then wouldn't the male fetus be male even if it doesn't have it sex organs yet, because it's coded into it's DNA? I guess it's like having the trait to make you grow bald when you grow older. When you're young, you'll still have hair, but that doesn't mean you don't have the trait - it's just not defined yet.

I know I haven't actually answered the question, but I just wanted to present a view I hadn't seen yet
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Dante1214 wrote...
Unless you are refuting evolution.


If it was a reply to my comment, refuting evolution is still viable, as it is widely believed, but still able to be questioned, so that will remain on my side, if you are speaking words of science, then one of the most fundamental foundations of creating science is to be open towards new possible explanations, it cannot be classified as the absolute 100% theory that everyone believes in. While the theory of evolution is widely believed, it is not of proper conduct to use it in this context of calling myself out on refuting evolution as it is in my right to do so as it is not 100% fact(yet), it would be pointless to address that.

As for your previous comment on the female being the base template, it is fair to say that you and I are pointing towards the same thing, which is that B requires A, and that without A, B cannot exist, it is just differing in that of what we're defining as basics, as in this case, the chicken or the egg, while you could say that the chicken came from the egg, the egg originally and still does, come from a chicken. We currently cannot say that the egg came first as that would be disputing evolution, accusing that the infant came first rather than the first basic organism.
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flln723 wrote...


We have to ask ourselves, if women came before men, how did the x chromosome come about? I mean, it is true that the fetus is female at first and then develops into a male, at least theoretically, but doesn't that fetus have the x chromosome in it's DNA before it starts it's hit by the hormones that make it develop it's male sex organs? If that's true, then wouldn't the male fetus be male even if it doesn't have it sex organs yet, because it's coded into it's DNA? I guess it's like having the trait to make you grow bald when you grow older. When you're young, you'll still have hair, but that doesn't mean you don't have the trait - it's just not defined yet.

I know I haven't actually answered the question, but I just wanted to present a view I hadn't seen yet


I agree with the point that you are trying to present, as it isn't really much of an answer, but the start of a new topic(jeez, maybe we should just go off into starting a new one) You would have been able to detect hints of this particular view in, I'm sure, one of our comments with the basic templates, and then the variations, we're not denying that the human male has a Y chromosome, but the point that I am trying to present is that in this issue, it is logical to say that the female having two of the same gene, and males having both one of the gene and another, that both sexes share a common gene, which could then be defined as the basic as it is present in both genders. We might not exactly know how the X gene came into being in females, but it is known that the Y gene in males is slowly dying out, and if male were genetically stronger, it wouldn't fade, otherwise the X gene would be slowly dying out as well(which it isn't).
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If anyone bothered to read in between the lines to my previous comment, basically what I'm saying is that the "egg" and the "chicken" came about simultaneously. Think about it; if the most oldest and earliest microorganism reproduced by asexual reproduction, why bother creating sexes in the first place? Genetic variety. (Now I'm following the evolutionary theory.) Earth went through many radical changes through each era, and more often than not, there were probably many species that were wiped out. But those that weren't had to find some way to cope with each environmental change, and asexual reproduction bascially cloned the same genetics over and over again - that was no good. Mutations came about, and I'm hypothesizing that to create even more diversity in order to survive the climate and its changes, organisms created the sexes "male/female" in order to create that diversity which was far more effective in producing different traits that enabled them to survive for better or worse. (Obviously those that had bad/unecessary traits died off by now.) This egg/chicken were mutations created from the genetic code, and the byproduct of that were two gender-type organisms formed out from the mutated organism. Ultimately, this is just an educated guess based on my knowledge of evolution and genetics. I mean, you didn't have all females organisms rampaging on the Earth and then the sudden advent of males, but most likely you had one organism that went through mutation and most likely changed into a hermaphrodite, which then separated again into the two sexes we know today.
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