[Locked] Front Page Overflowing With Book-Purchases?
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Waar wrote...
Der Hexer wrote...
I see, I see, why should someone worry about morals and shit.I don't see what morality has to do with this situation.
A site that was created for hentai piracy, growth because it, most it's users did come for it, and now is using the power that piracy granted them to make business. I don't think that's wrong at all (piracy for lack of availableness isn't a bad thing) , though I would recommend to don't have a harsh opinion against piracy as it would be highly hypocrite, but rather it should be for the side of "piracy have a time and a space, and it isn't the time for some books anymore". Jacob has expressed that sentiment fine, so that isn't a problem (everything is fine in my opinion), except of course for those who don't read Jacob often and rather read some users hateful opinion against piracy (neither from here or on other places).
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W.O.C183
always fapping
Ay, being a hypocrite to get what you want ain't that bad...only the hypocrites with no potential or ability should be dimissed (But that's natural selection, so it's obvious).
Edit: Oh yeah, nothing related to the point you're making Nyara. Just feeling a little bit poked. We hypocrites have feelings you know! :D
Edit: Oh yeah, nothing related to the point you're making Nyara. Just feeling a little bit poked. We hypocrites have feelings you know! :D
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devsonfire
3,000,000th Poster
Nyara❤ wrote...
Waar wrote...
Der Hexer wrote...
I see, I see, why should someone worry about morals and shit.I don't see what morality has to do with this situation.
A site that was created for hentai piracy, growth because it, most it's users did come for it, and now is using the power that piracy granted them to make business. I don't think that's wrong at all (piracy for lack of availableness isn't a bad thing) , though I would recommend to don't have a harsh opinion against piracy as it would be highly hypocrite, but rather it should be for the side of "piracy have a time and a space, and it isn't the time for some books anymore". Jacob has expressed that sentiment fine, so that isn't a problem (everything is fine in my opinion), except of course for those who don't read Jacob often and rather read some users hateful opinion against piracy (neither from here or on other places).
This I agree. But so far, I don't see such hypocrisy from this site, I just want to point that out.
What I don't agree is when people complain that Fakku prioritize stuff that is not free over the stuff that is free. I just don't see the logic behind that.
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devsonfire wrote...
Nyara❤ wrote...
Waar wrote...
Der Hexer wrote...
I see, I see, why should someone worry about morals and shit.I don't see what morality has to do with this situation.
A site that was created for hentai piracy, growth because it, most it's users did come for it, and now is using the power that piracy granted them to make business. I don't think that's wrong at all (piracy for lack of availableness isn't a bad thing) , though I would recommend to don't have a harsh opinion against piracy as it would be highly hypocrite, but rather it should be for the side of "piracy have a time and a space, and it isn't the time for some books anymore". Jacob has expressed that sentiment fine, so that isn't a problem (everything is fine in my opinion), except of course for those who don't read Jacob often and rather read some users hateful opinion against piracy (neither from here or on other places).
This I agree. But so far, I don't see such hypocrisy from this site, I just want to point that out.
What I don't agree is when people complain that Fakku prioritize stuff that is not free over the stuff that is free. I just don't see the logic behind that.
The point is, I believe, that they are making accessing free content unnecessarily obnoxious by not representing the status of the content clearly until you've already navigated clearly through several pages.
While they do have certain characteristics that you can look for to see which is paid, you first have to get involved enough to learn what those are, and then scan the info for every post.
It just feels like the functionality of the site that brought them popularity is being intentionally sabotaged to try and pressure users to pay for content, instead of relying upon a quality product to stand for it's self. This is not to say that the paid content is of poor quality, as it does certainly seem to be very well done.
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devsonfire
3,000,000th Poster
osmigos wrote...
The point is, I believe, that they are making accessing free content unnecessarily obnoxious by not representing the status of the content clearly until you've already navigated clearly through several pages.While they do have certain characteristics that you can look for to see which is paid, you first have to get involved enough to learn what those are, and then scan the info for every post.
It just feels like the functionality of the site that brought them popularity is being intentionally sabotaged to try and pressure users to pay for content, instead of relying upon a quality product to stand for it's self. This is not to say that the paid content is of poor quality, as it does certainly seem to be very well done.
Then clearly you have done well expressing it, why does it take 4 pages and days of arguments for people to express it, assuming they have the same opinion as yours?
If you are talking about a way to separate paid contents over free contents, then it is fine. These people here talks about how things are immoral, paid users does not have privilege over free users, yadada etc.
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W.O.C183
always fapping
osmigos wrote...
The point is, I believe, that they are making accessing free content unnecessarily obnoxious by not representing the status of the content clearly until you've already navigated clearly through several pages.While they do have certain characteristics that you can look for to see which is paid, you first have to get involved enough to learn what those are, and then scan the info for every post.
It just feels like the functionality of the site that brought them popularity is being intentionally sabotaged to try and pressure users to pay for content, instead of relying upon a quality product to stand for it's self. This is not to say that the paid content is of poor quality, as it does certainly seem to be very well done.
By now, the three new books have done nothing to hinder my way around Fakku! with the way Jacob decided to disperse it, and we're talking about something with equal representation as any other upload, since it's translated by YQII and the Fakku! team, it should be on the front page like anything other thing translated by Fakku!. Now, to be disgruntled just because you clicked on a paid upload is a poor excuse for not looking around before clicking (can I blame a site when I accidentally clicked on an ad because I wasn't looking? No, that's dumb). For new users, the matter of comfort is then reduced, since they've just been here (they won't leave at first click, even if so that would have been a good riddance), and surely they'll have the brain to figure out "Oh, there's a line that said "puchase-required" and a different outline, etc." We already agreed on a compromise, there's no need for moral talk.
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devsonfire wrote...
Then clearly you have done well expressing it, why does it take 4 pages and days of arguments for people to express it, assuming they have the same opinion as yours?If you are talking about a way to separate paid contents over free contents, then it is fine. These people here talks about how things are immoral, paid users does not have privilege over free users, yadada etc.
I didn't get what the hell they were on about, but as I said, the argument is dead and uneccessary, any point made about it is just trying to swayed the disgruntled into accepting the outcome.
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devsonfire wrote...
Then clearly you have done well expressing it, why does it take 4 pages and days of arguments for people to express it, assuming they have the same opinion as yours?
If you are talking about a way to separate paid contents over free contents, then it is fine. These people here talks about how things are immoral, paid users does not have privilege over free users, yadada etc.
I certainly agree with you that the arguments presented here are mostly crap. The whole reason that was my first post ever was because I found it distasteful that people were using frustration with how it has been implemented as a vehicle to legitimize their entitlement.
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W.O.C183
always fapping
osmigos wrote...
I certainly agree with you that the arguments presented here are mostly crap. The whole reason that was my first post ever was because I found it distasteful that people were using frustration with how it has been implemented as a vehicle to legitimize their entitlement.
Well said
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W.O.C183 wrote...
Ay, being a hypocrite to get what you want ain't that bad...only the hypocrites with no potential or ability should be dimissed (But that's natural selection, so it's obvious).Edit: Oh yeah, nothing related to the point you're making Nyara. Just feeling a little bit poked. We hypocrites have feelings you know! :D
"The ends justify the means" isn't moral, just as simple as that. Even if your cause is highly moral it isn't OK, because amoral means always distort the end in that case. Now most people doesn't bother with morality that much, so it's a common philosophy. Oh, this have nothin' to do with Fakku, anyway, like I said, Jacob has not expressed hypocrisy so far (the contrary, in fact).
If hypocrisy is ever expressed it would be nasty. How you can try to appeal to people to be moral and buy the product rather than pirate it, when your product was brought by amorality ways in the first place? Answer 1: You can't. Answer 2: Lie, and make your lie convincing. Answer 3: If you changed your mind it's fine, make a new platform with new resources from the scratch rather than using those granted by something you're making a war at. Answer 4: Tell people you're a faggot, but then tell them they are more faggots than you are, so they should support you anyway to get new products. Bonus (works with any): Offering options not available elsewhere (it works even if it's for a limited time).
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[size=10]Why not have another button on the bubble that says "Buy this now!" with little comments like "Hot Buy" or something.
Extensive work but I think making the "books" selection a different colored bubble even would be nice. A tinted pink/red? Sorry if this was already a suggestion.[/h]
Extensive work but I think making the "books" selection a different colored bubble even would be nice. A tinted pink/red? Sorry if this was already a suggestion.[/h]
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Waar
FAKKU Moderator
Nyara❤ wrote...
Waar wrote...
Der Hexer wrote...
I see, I see, why should someone worry about morals and shit.I don't see what morality has to do with this situation.
A site that was created for hentai piracy, growth because it, most it's users did come for it, and now is using the power that piracy granted them to make business. I don't think that's wrong at all (piracy for lack of availableness isn't a bad thing) , though I would recommend to don't have a harsh opinion against piracy as it would be highly hypocrite, but rather it should be for the side of "piracy have a time and a space, and it isn't the time for some books anymore". Jacob has expressed that sentiment fine, so that isn't a problem (everything is fine in my opinion), except of course for those who don't read Jacob often and rather read some users hateful opinion against piracy (neither from here or on other places).
Sorry, missed this.
Most of what you had to say was on point. The only thing I want to clarify is that Wani issued(quite correctly) any take-down notices, even to Fakku, so while we decided the best way to deal with the tightening legal restrictions through fair and honest business we don't begrudge pirates or the sites who cater to them. There will always be pirates, and that does unfairly put the responsibility of the companies and user who pay to keep those companies a float, but we recognize where we got our start, there is still love for the free community, we just need to balance that with profit to keep Fakku alive. I do believe 3 releases at the top of the page that releases 4-5 things a night as balanced.
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asadefiled
King
I don't mind the most recently released books being on top, it makes sense they want it to sell. I think they should stick with the Punikano and Renai sample release methods where they just released the entire book once it was complete instead of the chapter after chapter method they are trying now. Might help with people having to see the FAKKU releases mixed in with the free stuff.
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I would like a simple setting in the User Preferences for deciding whether the purchase books are shown or not on the entire site.
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Lets be honest fixing this issue could take something like 2 minutes, you pretty much just need to add a color in the div for paid content by just giving buy content its separate id and color, then the issue would be solved. The people who say it isn't an issue are being quite arrogant, while showing zero interest in looking at this from another PoV than their own. The current implementation would be considered bad business practice, and the attitude some are showing to people with concern, is quite poor at best.
I might make a quick script to remove Div or change its color if it is paid content, but they aren't using seperat div id (would have made it really easy to do if they did), so it will be delayed until after my exams :P
I don't know who are in charge of developing and maintaining the site, but honestly there are so many things that could be improved or doesn't work well, without even including actually doing optimization for mobile/touch devices (still sad that there still have been done nothing in this area, except making the adds more intrusive on mobile devices :-/). Just a few of the most annoying one are those when you finish a chapter.
I feel like the one who have coded this site haven't taken any course in web programming, so I guess them/him/her both having to deal with their own sloppy code, and then having to implement stuff they don't know how to do is causing those delay I assume?
I find it funny that some will say that paying customer deserve better access than the free user, yet they aren't demanding the website being optimized for touch devices?
The community we see in the forum seem to be quite hostile towards none paying user, so it isn't really surprising that there aren't more people who are complaining about this kind of stuff.
I might make a quick script to remove Div or change its color if it is paid content, but they aren't using seperat div id (would have made it really easy to do if they did), so it will be delayed until after my exams :P
I don't know who are in charge of developing and maintaining the site, but honestly there are so many things that could be improved or doesn't work well, without even including actually doing optimization for mobile/touch devices (still sad that there still have been done nothing in this area, except making the adds more intrusive on mobile devices :-/). Just a few of the most annoying one are those when you finish a chapter.
- The dropdown menu wont allow you to click on the one visible before opening it (tested in FF, Chrome, IE.
- Why must it be so difficult going to the next chapter, you can't really count on the dropdown menu, since it is "random" what it is being shown, and when it shows the next chapter it will be the one that is bugged.
- Pretty much going to any new manga/doujin after finishing one haven't been thought about. (just look at how other sites handle this it is not really that hard to make, you can even use the current recommend list you use for the dropdown box, and then display it with more visual, so the user know what they can expect)
I feel like the one who have coded this site haven't taken any course in web programming, so I guess them/him/her both having to deal with their own sloppy code, and then having to implement stuff they don't know how to do is causing those delay I assume?
I find it funny that some will say that paying customer deserve better access than the free user, yet they aren't demanding the website being optimized for touch devices?
The community we see in the forum seem to be quite hostile towards none paying user, so it isn't really surprising that there aren't more people who are complaining about this kind of stuff.
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YQII
FAKKU Translator
asadefiled wrote...
I think they should stick with the Punikano and Renai sample release methods where they just released the entire book once it was complete instead of the chapter after chapter method they are trying now.We do wanna split books up into one-chapter galleries though for many reasons (chapter specific tags, allowing people to comment on certain chapters, tie in to magazines once we start doing that, etc.), so as I mentioned earlier in this thread, the option was to put up 40 galleries on the font page on December 1st.
I wanna clarify one thing here while on this topic. Releasing all three books in one go on December 1st was never really an option, because they weren't completely done at that point. I understand that if given the choice between "everything now" and "chapter-by-chapter spread out over a month," you'd pick the first alternative. However, our choices here were either doing what we did, or start pre-orders on December 1st and release them all late December.
Looking ahead, our long-term goal has since the start been 3-5 books per month, or in terms of chapters, 40-60 galleries, so I personally think it's a better idea to spread out releases. Plus I feel like it invokes a somewhat similar feeling to that "Woo! Free stuff!" feel I get from PSN at the beginning of each month; by the time I'm playing Binding of Isaac for "free," I've forgotten that I payed $50 a few months ago.
meako wrote...
Something people need to understand is that we're just starting out here, and this isn't a major company where each employee has one task they specialize in. Some people probably think I spend eight hours a day translating, when in reality, I'd say it's closer to 1-3 hours, and the rest of the time I do other things—mostly editorial work. We've already said that we're going to address this issue (for example by giving payed content a different background), but other tasks are higher priority at the moment, such as talking to the Japanese publisher and artists to get more books.
Complaints from customers (such as not being able to access the book they payed for) are usually addressed within a day, or even hours if it's during a work day. Complaints like this don't get the same "drop everything and get it done" treatment though. In that regard, paying users get priority, but I don't think that's unreasonable.
Finally, we appreciate any feedback we get. I don't think anyone from the staff has replied with a "fuck off" to anyone. A lot of the changes you can see in our newer releases or the current version of the site is based on feedback we got back in September when we released our first book—and some of that feedback came from parts of the internet where their critique wasn't the least bit sugarcoated. The reason I haven't said anything in this topic for 2½ weeks is that, to be honest, nothing new has really been said since then that I didn't already covered in my earlier posts. This post by Jacob is still relevant.
Also, I'm sure I'm not the only one who has Christmas shopping left to do tomorrow, so don't expect anything major in the next week. Merry Christmas!
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YQII wrote...
We do wanna split books up into one-chapter galleries though for many reasons (chapter specific tags, allowing people to comment on certain chapters, tie in to magazines once we start doing that, etc.), so as I mentioned earlier in this thread, the option was to put up 40 galleries on the font page on December 1st.
Considering how you have the book as sticky on the top, you wouldn't have to release them as a separate entity on the homepage for each chapter, when you have implemented support for chapter (well at least when it comes to purchased book, don't see why normal ones don't have the same function, but that would be another topic). If you want people to know you can always make an indication on the sticky book, that way you could have avoid flooding the homepage.
Something people need to understand is that we're just starting out here, and this isn't a major company where each employee has one task they specialize in. Some people probably think I spend eight hours a day translating, when in reality, I'd say it's closer to 1-3 hours, and the rest of the time I do other things—mostly editorial work. We've already said that we're going to address this issue (for example by giving payed content a different background), but other tasks are higher priority at the moment, such as talking to the Japanese publisher and artists to get more books.
The thing is, the website have been running much longer than this change was made, so I'm quite concerned with how there are being dealt with maintaining and developing of the website. So should I assume there are no one who know how to actual code in Fakku, and that is causing the slow implementation of new features and fixes for bugs? I don't mean to be mean with this question, it would just explain a lot.
Complains from customers (such as not being able to access the book they payed for) are usually addressed within a day, or even hours if it's during a work day. Complains like this don't get the same "drop everything and get it done" treatment though. In that regard, paying users get priority, but I don't think that's unreasonable.
The thing is I could literately fix this issue under 10 minutes, so it is quite disappointing that it still haven't been fixed. Also considering the site have adds, everyone are actual customer and are potential paying customer. I would also like to assume paying customer would be glad being able to see it is paid content, even if they have bought (also just because they are paying customer doesn't mean they have bought every book)
I have made a quick fix with a script that solve the issue, I will make a new post for those wanting it, even thought they will need or have to know how to use something like GreaseMonkey. Screenshot to see what my script does to fix it.

Also, I'm sure I'm not the only one who has Christmas shopping left to do tomorrow, so don't expect anything major in the next week. Merry Christmas!
yeah I also need to buy a few more presents. Merry Christmas.
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YQII
FAKKU Translator
I don't mean to sound arrogant, but allow be to be brief:
New galleries end up on the front page, no matter the content.
Because it was implemented recently for our books, and probably isn't ready for the public (uploaders) yet.
The thing is...
Again, few people doing many things, and this is not a priority.
meako wrote...
Considering how you have the book as sticky on the top, you wouldn't have to release them as a separate entity on the homepage for each chapterNew galleries end up on the front page, no matter the content.
meako wrote...
don't see why normal ones don't have the same functionBecause it was implemented recently for our books, and probably isn't ready for the public (uploaders) yet.
meako wrote...
So should I assume there are no one who know how to actual code in Fakku, and that is causing the slow implementation of new features and fixes for bugs? [...]The thing is...
Again, few people doing many things, and this is not a priority.
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Someone probably already suggested it but maybe put a coloured border or icon to say that it has to be purchased. That'd be a relatively easy way to fix it without having to code an extra sidebar or anything. Plus, it would catch the attention of would-be buyers.
Having to read "Publisher: FAKKU" is a bit troublesome and I'm sure most people only look at the thumbnails and tags which stand out more than anything else.
Having to read "Publisher: FAKKU" is a bit troublesome and I'm sure most people only look at the thumbnails and tags which stand out more than anything else.
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YQII wrote...
I don't mean to sound arrogant, but allow be to be brief:meako wrote...
Considering how you have the book as sticky on the top, you wouldn't have to release them as a separate entity on the homepage for each chapterNew galleries end up on the front page, no matter the content.
If you know how to make certain content appear on every homepage, then separating chapter of a full book should be no problem at all either.
Because it was implemented recently for our books, and probably isn't ready for the public (uploaders) yet.
That is quite disappointing, the slow pace is really what is killing the side :-/
Again, few people doing many things, and this is not a priority.
So that is a no then? Is there any plan of prioritizing site at one point, or should I just move on to another site?
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meako wrote...
YQII wrote...
I don't mean to sound arrogant, but allow be to be brief:meako wrote...
Considering how you have the book as sticky on the top, you wouldn't have to release them as a separate entity on the homepage for each chapterNew galleries end up on the front page, no matter the content.
If you know how to make certain content appear on every homepage, then separating chapter of a full book should be no problem at all either.
Because it was implemented recently for our books, and probably isn't ready for the public (uploaders) yet.
That is quite disappointing, the slow pace is really what is killing the side :-/
Again, few people doing many things, and this is not a priority.
So that is a no then? Is there any plan of prioritizing site at one point, or should I just move on to another site?
Right now there are no plans to change the front page.