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animeholic1 wrote...
The only way a forum can get messed up from something like that is if it is under modded. Which FAKKU is under modded. I just don't see why it's such a big deal to have a post count needed when it is the norm for just about every other forum. Fakku has more links reported then any other site that I have been to by a big margin. The sites that have less links reported either have a post count or rep needed.Jacob wants his site to be free. I'm guessing that means that even people who don't feel like posting in the forums deserve free hentai. And I agree with that. After all, there are people who visit Fakku's IRC frequently but never post on the forums. And while it may not be hard to post on the forums, some people just don't like to do it, and that's understandable. It's not hard to use MySpace or Twitter, but that doesn't stop people from never using them.
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ShaggyJebus wrote...
Jacob wants his site to be free. I'm guessing that means that even people who don't feel like posting in the forums deserve free hentai. And I agree with that. After all, there are people who visit Fakku's IRC frequently but never post on the forums. And while it may not be hard to post on the forums, some people just don't like to do it, and that's understandable. It's not hard to use MySpace or Twitter, but that doesn't stop people from never using them.
People generally don't use MySpace or Twitter because they haven't tried them. Regardless of what they might think of forums in general, trying to post a bit at least shows some appreciation of the site and the community, and should be enough to bypass whatever this limit might be.
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ShaggyJebus wrote...
Jacob wants his site to be free. I'm guessing that means that even people who don't feel like posting in the forums deserve free hentai. And I agree with that. After all, there are people who visit Fakku's IRC frequently but never post on the forums. And while it may not be hard to post on the forums, some people just don't like to do it, and that's understandable. It's not hard to use MySpace or Twitter, but that doesn't stop people from never using them.It is still free, it's not like we're asking people to pay for the stuff we upload.
I don't mind leechers having access to my stuff, but not at the cost of it being flagged.
Having 8gb games get flagged and deleted less than 24 hours after it's been posted, after having uploaded it for like 2 days, is really infuriating.
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We tried doing the post count limit thing and it didn't work. It was too much for any amount of moderators to tolerate moderating. The spam posted is massive and across all of the forums. We will most definitely never have post count limits on things.
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Jacob wrote...
We tried doing the post count limit thing and it didn't work. It was too much for any amount of moderators to tolerate moderating. The spam posted is massive and across all of the forums. We will most definitely never have post count limits on things.I never did get the full story on that. I wasn't here. I am guessing there wasn't a mod around to start deleting the posts as they started to rack up. Or a Admin around to then ban the users that were spamming. If it works on other forums it can work on Fakku. You have really really become active as of late Jacob but still we need more moderators. If we had some then a post count would not be unreasonable. Sakurahana for instance has 4 mods and a admin of right now. Fakku has nobody right now logged on except you.
Also sites that have a post count have spam forums. Where there is hardly any moderation and you can spam to get the post count up. That's not to say it's mindless spam. For example just saying I like hentai I like hentai I like hentai etc over and over again. It's where the forum games are. it's the same for every forum I belong to. Throw something at user game, LPW thread (basically chat thread except posts count) and more games I am not gonna bother explaining. It works to. The links are not reported as much as Fakku's links.
I am just giving you examples of what I have seen on other forums. It is your site and I will definitely not tell you what to do with it. Fakku is still my favorite forum <3. But, trying new things is always nice. never know, could work out. Then again it could bomb. Live and learn etc.
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Like others, I'm in agreement that registration should be needed to view the User Upload sections. Don't be lazy bums, this is an awesome site - sign up.
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animeholic1 wrote...
Also sites that have a post count have spam forums. Where there is hardly any moderation and you can spam to get the post count up. That's not to say it's mindless spam. For example just saying I like hentai I like hentai I like hentai etc over and over again. It's where the forum games are. it's the same for every forum I belong to. Throw something at user game, LPW thread (basically chat thread except posts count) and more games I am not gonna bother explaining. It works to. The links are not reported as much as Fakku's links.If we're going to have a spam forum where posts count, then we have to ask, "Why don't posts count in IB?"
I'm not absolutely sure why, but I imagine part of it is that if spam posts did count, then we'd have a ton of users with over 2,000 posts, and then having 2,000 posts wouldn't be a big thing.
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ShaggyJebus wrote...
If we're going to have a spam forum where posts count, then we have to ask, "Why don't posts count in IB?"
I'm not absolutely sure why, but I imagine part of it is that if spam posts did count, then we'd have a ton of users with over 2,000 posts, and then having 2,000 posts wouldn't be a big thing.
Is having 2,000 posts suppose to be a big thing? That is a laughable amount tbh. If you want big Moses had over 100,000 posts on a forum. That is something "big". Also I thought we weren't elitists here. I don't hold my rep or posts over anyone. Posts are what matter imo. If you can make a awesome post, help the forum, or upload stuff then that is what deserves respect. IDK why IB posts don't count. Seems kind of pointless to me.
Also Fakku lacks titles big time. We need to have stuff for 3,000 4,000 5,000 etc. It's not that hard to just make up some random title that sounds cool. Fakku Master, Fakku Super Elder etc. Custom titles would be nice to.
EDIT: When I say laughable I mean for any other forum. Seriously that is nothing to think of. 2,000 posts is pretty small.
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animeholic1 wrote...
ShaggyJebus wrote...
If we're going to have a spam forum where posts count, then we have to ask, "Why don't posts count in IB?"
I'm not absolutely sure why, but I imagine part of it is that if spam posts did count, then we'd have a ton of users with over 2,000 posts, and then having 2,000 posts wouldn't be a big thing.
Is having 2,000 posts suppose to be a big thing? That is a laughable amount tbh. If you want big Moses had over 100,000 posts on a forum. That is something "big". Also I thought we weren't elitists here. I don't hold my rep or posts over anyone. Posts are what matter imo. If you can make a awesome post, help the forum, or upload stuff then that is what deserves respect. IDK why IB posts don't count. Seems kind of pointless to me.
Also Fakku lacks titles big time. We need to have stuff for 3,000 4,000 5,000 etc. It's not that hard to just make up some random title that sounds cool. Fakku Master, Fakku Super Elder etc. Custom titles would be nice to.
EDIT: When I say laughable I mean for any other forum. Seriously that is nothing to think of. 2,000 posts is pretty small.
I know 2,000 isn't big for other forums, but we're talking about Fakku here, and 2,000 posts is pretty big here. As it stands, when you see a person with 2,000+ posts on Fakku, you know that that person is active and been here for a while. You can also assume that the person doesn't just stay in one section and never post outside of it. But if we allow spam posts to count, then a member can be here a week and rack up 2,000 posts without ever leaving the spam forum.
It's not about elitism; it's about users being able to recognize some of the accomplishments of other users without having to examine all of their posts. A high post count shows that a person spends a lot of time on Fakku, and a high reputation shows that the person either makes a lot of good posts or uploads a lot or does something else that helps the community. That's not to say that a person with a low post count doesn't spend a lot of time on Fakku or that a person with low rep doesn't make good posts or upload stuff, but when a new user sees a person with a high post count, they can expect to get help from that person if they need it, because that person has been around a long time.
Besides, if spam posts counted, then what would be the point of titles? The current titles reflect what I just said - getting 1,000 posts makes you an Elder, because it shows that you've been here a long time. If people could just post spam and have it count, then every other person would be an elder. What's the point, then?
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ShaggyJebus wrote...
Besides, if spam posts counted, then what would be the point of titles? The current titles reflect what I just said - getting 1,000 posts makes you an Elder, because it shows that you've been here a long time. If people could just post spam and have it count, then every other person would be an elder. What's the point, then?
I just don't view a post count as something to respect. The threads you make and the comments you leave are more important. Yes a big post count means you spend a lot of time on Fakku. Those people are usually who are made mods. People who spend a shit load of time on a forum.
Elder title problem can always be solved with more titles. Fakku has two titles that you get as post count goes up. 500 elite, 1000 elder as you know. Making more titles is easy as I said. It's not that big of a deal to make more titles. 0-100 posts, leecher, 100-500 full member, 500-1000 elite, 1000-2500 elder, 2500-5000 Fakku Master, 5000-10,000 Old fag (lol JK on last one).
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Jacob wrote...
We tried doing the post count limit thing and it didn't work. It was too much for any amount of moderators to tolerate moderating. The spam posted is massive and across all of the forums. We will most definitely never have post count limits on things.animeholic1 wrote...
I never did get the full story on that. I wasn't here. I am guessing there wasn't a mod around to start deleting the posts as they started to rack up. Or a Admin around to then ban the users that were spamming. If it works on other forums it can work on Fakku.I remember the very day in which the post count requirement to enter the upload section got implemented. Mike, Mattarat and myself were present and I believe we did quite a bit of spam deleting.
Fakku does have quite an array of content, but at the same time, we have a huge number of registered users, not including the average of 1000 guests whenever I log on. It would be difficult, if not impossible, to monitor the actions of every single user.
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Gambler wrote...
I remember the very day in which the post count requirement to enter the upload section got implemented. Mike, Mattarat and myself were present and I believe we did quite a bit of spam deleting.
Fakku does have quite an array of content, but at the same time, we have a huge number of registered users, not including the average of 1000 guests whenever I log on. It would be difficult, if not impossible, to monitor the actions of every single user.
I am guessing that you lacked the ability to ban at that time tho right? So simply deleting the spams would only result in the leechers spaming moar so they can get their pron fix. Temp bans should have been happening immediately. We went into the whole post count needed thing a little too fast and way unprepared. Jacob probably should have done a whole we will be implementing a post count main page announcement. Going about why we are doing it as to protect uploader links. Continuing by saying that is you spam you will be temp banned from fakku. If you continue to spam you will be perma banned from Fakku. Also the IB now counts as posts. That doesn't however mean you can post mindless posts. If you do they will be deleted by the five new mods I have added to the staff. If you continue to spam sentences and be idiots you will be temp banned followed by more faggatory which will result in a perma ban.
All that is doable. It just takes a little preparation and some hard work. There is no guarantees that it will help with protecting links. I know that crimson had some of his free stuff in his thread and all that was deleted. However the stuff he held for users with over a 100 post count was just fine. That tells me reporters don't take that time to make the necessary posts. But, if it doesn't help we can always go back to the old format. Everything free, no post limit.
That's just how I view it and how it might work. There are risks involved but if you inform the users ahead of time that spamming and faggatory will not be accepted. And add more mods, it should work. There are no guarantees in life tho.
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animeholic1 wrote...
Also the IB now counts as posts. That doesn't however mean you can post mindless posts.Incoherent Babbling is for mindless posts. It's there so people don't post that shit in Random. If we make posts in IB count, at the cost of making the section not mindless, then we'd have to create a new section for mindless shit where posts didn't count . . . and what would be the point of that if we already have a place like that?
If we did make it so that so many posts were needed to get into User Uploads, there would be no reason to make the posts count in IB. It's not hard to make posts, as long as people visit the different sections and don't stick to just one or two.
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ShaggyJebus wrote...
Incoherent Babbling is for mindless posts. It's there so people don't post that shit in Random. If we make posts in IB count, at the cost of making the section not mindless, then we'd have to create a new section for mindless shit where posts didn't countThere is nothing hard about creating a new section. Jacob could do it in no time flat. It's a simple matter of a few clicks and typing. Literally minutes.
ShaggyJebus wrote...
and what would be the point of that if we already have a place like that?There would be no point cause we don't need a new section there is nothing wrong with making IB posts count.
ShaggyJebus wrote...
If we did make it so that so many posts were needed to get into User Uploads, there would be no reason to make the posts count in IB. It's not hard to make posts, as long as people visit the different sections and don't stick to just one or two.The point of making IB posts count is that most people just want porn and more then likely aren't willing to put much thought into their posts. That's why a forum game would be where most posts would happen. Or the chat thread.
IB can be where "mindless" posts go and they can still count. I don't know what you view a mindless post as but as long as a post isn't spam which isn't allowed to be on fakku in the beginning and doesn't break any of the other post rules it's fine. Also people get critiqued on their posts in IB. I have seen it done. So that is suppose to be where mindless posts go but are still judged by users? That makes a ton of sense. Having IB posts count wouldn't make a single bit of difference. Doesn't matter if the posts count or not. If it's spam it's deleted.
On other forums the mindless forum still counts for posts. That's where forum games go. Are you a member of any other forums? IB is a mindless section like the other sections on other forums except our posts don't count in there. So making posts count in IB would in no way affect the forum other then people's post counts going up.
Don't give the same stuff about titles not meaning as much as they do now cause we can always fix that with more titles. I am telling you if it works on other forums every day, day in and day out, without any thing catastrophic happening, it can work on Fakku. The only difference is that they put the plan in motion before it got to the point we are at. Simply planning ahead of time, adding more mods to keep any noobs from spam posting and telling the forum say a month ahead of time and updating the announcement that the plan will be enforced on a set date would make the transition a lot less painful then what it was first time around.
All this is just what we could do. I am sure Jacob is working on something to help protect links. He mentioned something about it a long time ago and Hibia said he had an idea. Dunno how progress has been on that.
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I think it all boils down to me not wanting Fakku to turn into another one of those sites where some users have 10,000 posts when the site hasn't existed for even three years.
Whether that's right or wrong, whatever, but if we make posts count in IB, then that's what Fakku's going to become, a site where every other user has an insane post count.
Whether that's right or wrong, whatever, but if we make posts count in IB, then that's what Fakku's going to become, a site where every other user has an insane post count.
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animeholic1 wrote...
ShaggyJebus wrote...
and what would be the point of that if we already have a place like that?There would be no point cause we don't need a new section there is nothing wrong with making IB posts count.
ShaggyJebus wrote...
If we did make it so that so many posts were needed to get into User Uploads, there would be no reason to make the posts count in IB. It's not hard to make posts, as long as people visit the different sections and don't stick to just one or two.The point of making IB posts count is that most people just want porn and more then likely aren't willing to put much thought into their posts. That's why a forum game would be where most posts would happen. Or the chat thread.
IB can be where "mindless" posts go and they can still count. I don't know what you view a mindless post as but as long as a post isn't spam which isn't allowed to be on fakku in the beginning and doesn't break any of the other post rules it's fine. Also people get critiqued on their posts in IB. I have seen it done. So that is suppose to be where mindless posts go but are still judged by users? That makes a ton of sense. Having IB posts count wouldn't make a single bit of difference. Doesn't matter if the posts count or not. If it's spam it's deleted.
On other forums the mindless forum still counts for posts. That's where forum games go. Are you a member of any other forums? IB is a mindless section like the other sections on other forums except our posts don't count in there. So making posts count in IB would in no way affect the forum other then people's post counts going up.
Surely the point of making people post to gain access is to have them take time to give something back to the community, as well as get to grips with the forums (to stop the useless or demanding requests) and give a bit more respect (seeing how many requests people fill on a daily basis). What part of that is solved by letting people post a load of quick, mindless crap to get their porn fix? All you seem to be suggesting is the easiest solution to the problem of denying some access, rather than considering the reasons behind it.
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Jacob wrote...
We tried doing the post count limit thing and it didn't work. It was too much for any amount of moderators to tolerate moderating. The spam posted is massive and across all of the forums. We will most definitely never have post count limits on things.What about a time limit kind of thing? Like three days after registering you can access User Uploads. It may not stop the people who report links, but it might get some leechers to participate more while waiting and possibly stay active even after they've obtained their hentai.
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doswillrule wrote...
Surely the point of making people post to gain access is to have them take time to give something back to the community, as well as get to grips with the forums (to stop the useless or demanding requests) and give a bit more respect (seeing how many requests people fill on a daily basis). What part of that is solved by letting people post a load of quick, mindless crap to get their porn fix? All you seem to be suggesting is the easiest solution to the problem of denying some access, rather than considering the reasons behind it.
No the point of a post count is to limit access to the user uploads section. Protecting links from reporters, flaggers and faggots. A post count works to solve that problem. I already gave examples of this on what crimson does and on all the stuff he put out for all users was gone. But, all the stuff he had for users with 100+ post count was still there. The links fine and unreported. That is what we want. Unreported links. Did you not read the earlier posts?
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animeholic1 wrote...
doswillrule wrote...
Surely the point of making people post to gain access is to have them take time to give something back to the community, as well as get to grips with the forums (to stop the useless or demanding requests) and give a bit more respect (seeing how many requests people fill on a daily basis). What part of that is solved by letting people post a load of quick, mindless crap to get their porn fix? All you seem to be suggesting is the easiest solution to the problem of denying some access, rather than considering the reasons behind it.
No the point of a post count is to limit access to the user uploads section. Protecting links from reporters, flaggers and faggots. A post count works to solve that problem. I already gave examples of this on what crimson does and on all the stuff he put out for all users was gone. But, all the stuff he had for users with 100+ post count was still there. The links fine and unreported. That is what we want. Unreported links. Did you not read the earlier posts?
Ah true, sorry for having forgotten. Nevertheless, it seems like letting IB posts count would let people gain such a post count far more quickly, and without getting to grips with the rules and respect factors that I mentioned, which might end up leaving the problem of flagging anyway. I also feel that the high post counts atm denote trust and reliability to a member such as myself; blurring the boundaries by greatly increasing the number of people with ridiculous post counts, maybe for posting a majority of meaningless content in IB, would all but destroy this.
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doswillrule wrote...
Ah true, sorry for having forgotten. Nevertheless, it seems like letting IB posts count would let people gain such a post count far more quickly, and without getting to grips with the rules and respect factors that I mentioned, which might end up leaving the problem of flagging anyway. I also feel that the high post counts atm denote trust and reliability to a member such as myself; blurring the boundaries by greatly increasing the number of people with ridiculous post counts, maybe for posting a majority of meaningless content in IB, would all but destroy this.
I am just giving examples of how to make a post count work. People will bitch and complain if there are a shit load of quick thought out posts by noobs who just want some pron. Having IB be the place where these posts are made solves that problem. Keeping the quality of the other forums and not having the quality of IB change except for more posts in 3 word post, rate above user etc, chat thread and so on. The post count would need to be 50-100 imo. That is a amount that some dick who is just flagging shit isn't going to put in the effort just so he can jack off to people complaining about how they can't download. At the same time it isn't a amount that is undo able by a person who just wants some pron.