Regarding rules/FAQs and the influx of new users

:oops: I feel so loved *Cries manly tears of manliness*

I get your points , Jacob. Maybe you should have to read the rules/FAQ before you can post. This would ensure that new users knew the rules.

I don't think it's just the noobs either, there are some more veteran users who make popmpus request, well more like demand that something be done/uploaded. That is what really pisses me off, seeing people request someone translate something for them.

I personally will only ask if someone can up link me to something or point me in the direction to where I can get it, if I can't find it myself. but then I think you should have to have a certain level of respect and time put into this place before you get any thing in return from us.

@Shinichi Miyamoto: I'm quite flattered... though I didn't realize I was hung up on the rules.


I didn't even realize that this was a problem because I thought it was a given that only the staff could request what to translate... guess most people don't realize that.

Overall, the message that I'm passing is that by doing something about this, we can ensure a more clean, neat, and organized forum. I mean, threads in wrong places, noobs spamming galore, repeat threads, etc. can be rectified with some work, revision of the rules, and an addition of more moderators. It'll keep the forums flowing at a nice pace. Best of all, when moving a thread into the right section, the moderator doesn't have to say anything but PM the creator of the thread privately explaining what he/she did wrong with a warning and such. No flaming by other users and saves face. It's just that these noobs are getting out of hand, and everybody's getting sick of it.

Too true.

I like it when members are concerned about the well-being of the community.

Here is my take on the entire issue in response to G-money's suggestions:

1) Having an in-depth rules and FAQs section or thread may raise awareness among new members, but I doubt the rate of success will be very high. There will always be people who sign up on Fakku without reading the terms and conditions, much less the rules and regulations. The search function has been placed in a prominent position, obvious to many, but yet it has been overlooked by many. Developing a culture of using these tools would be a key to success, which all regular members should lead by example, and such a change can never take place overnight.

2) Moving topics to their appropriate sections, especially requests, has been part of my duties, but there are times when members are not wrong to start a thread in particular section, especially if the question posed is relevant.

3) I have never been in favour of a post count requirement, no matter how desperate the situation is. Either that or I have yet to encounter problems of such serious nature throughout my forum-posting days. By implementing a post count requirement, it not only punishes the wrong-doers, but new members who signed up with Fakku in good faith are made to suffer as well. I believe everyone should be given the benefit of a doubt unless proven otherwise. Apart from the spam it would generate, posts are made with an "ulterior motive" instead of coming from the heart, with sincerity.

Since it is getting rather late over here, my mind may not be functioning efficiently. Perhaps when I have time to think through the entire issue, I will come up with a better response. :)

As I mentioned before, but maybe I should clarify this better, this first suggestion of mine is only a countermeasure that serves as FAKKU staff and user credibility when breaking the rules and delivering punitive measures - the rules are there and out in the open, so if you break the rules, there isn't an excuse that can save you because the rules are so obvious. Punitive measures follow as fit per situation. However, it’s also true that our rules and FAQs is a mess and should be reorganized, reformatted, and rewritten for sufficiency and efficiency. This will not deter anyone and is good for the forum per se.

We can also make this our FAKKU Consitution if you will, including our mission statement and site philosophy. That being said, we can summarize FAKKU's philosophy in a few bullet points:
[list][*]FAKKU is primarily a HENTAI/Japanese material oriented site that offers free material for you to fap (Not including real porn). We do not believe in withholding material by seniority or post count. However, swift and proper measures will be taken if we find that you cannot behave accordingly to the rules and proper netiquette.
[*]FAKKU is user-controlled and staff-administrated - YOU create the community, YOU contribute, YOU interact. Whatever happens to the site/forums are the direct results of your presence and input. Keep that in mind.
[*]FAKKU is and aims to be a more friendly and active community with users who share and contribute opinions and material. Offensive stuff will not be tolerated, and please DO NOT bite off noobs’ heads. A site/forum exists because of new members. Vice versa, please DO NOT piss off the regular members with inappropriate online behavior or with a disregard for the rules either.
[*]FAKKU is like any other online community and will abide by general netiquette guidelines and common sense in addition to our own rules. Most basic rule is the golden rule: treat others like you would like them to treat you.
[*]FAKKU is here and exists for you and others. We aim to please… your sexual cravings, desires, needs, fetishes, you name it - we have it, or try to have it.[/list:u]This would be subject to revision and improvement of course.


Of course, but the main issue is the maddeningly increase of topics in wrong sections and our current staff lacks the manpower and time to address all of this. At least I think that’s what we lack.


I know, and I wasn’t too keen on this either. I wasn’t aware that an attempt at this was tried until the morning of forum downage due to spam cleaning. (I missed the thread apparently… very unlike me.) I do support and think that it’s a great idea that some sort of punitive measure system be created and implemented with staff being able to temporarily ban people from the forums. (FAKKU material is downloadable, inbox and profile are visible, but the forums will become unavailable. Don’t know the code for this, but I hope it isn’t hard to implement.)

On another note, I must share this so that we can glean something useful from this. And again, this is the same user I keep referring to in my previous posts in this thread. In the second exchange of PMs, this was what I wrote to him/her verbatim in its entirety:
In retrospect, I don’t believe I should have written the second paragraph, but I got fed up around this point, especially since this person seems pretty earnest. I don’t sense any intent to troll. But read what he/she wrote back:
Now, I didn’t get angry at this, but I just shook my head. Not only he/she doesn’t make sense in the first sentence and others, he/she believes that not knowing the rules is an excuse! Like, wtf, how is this possible? General netiquette is something that ALL sites follow. (I can tell he/she didn’t bother to fully read my PM based on this sort of response.) Grammar, syntax, and spelling aside, he/she seems to be a genuine noob with some fucked concepts. I hate to lay this out in the open, but I’m not slaying him/her in public because this is the kind of situation we are facing with if something isn’t done.

Looking through the multiple threads on Fakku, I realized one thing. Members have a tendency to post in an misplaced thread, telling the Mods or Admins to move it to the correct section. I can't say the same for the rest of the staff, but due to work and other real-life commitments, I am unable to be on Fakku around the clock.

I believe sending a PM to the Admins and Mods will definitely catch our attention so that the appropriate action can be taken. So far, I have yet to receive such PMs, though there were a couple of times in which I was reminded of mistakes I have made. At the end of the day, we are only human. :)

Maybe there could be a feature where, when you click "New topic" in the Request section, you are first directed to a page that says, "Have you tried searching for what you are requesting?" and has the Advanced Search stuff. That way, it may prompt people to search for things instead of immediately requesting it. Now, that wouldn't solve the problems with people posting requests in the wrong areas, but it might help with repeat requests, asking for things that can be found with a simple search.

However, creating such a thing may not be worth the trouble. It may not even work at all.

You're right Gambler. Instead of a user posting in the thread "this needs to be moved to ___", they should use the report button or PM one of us.

I think the biggest reason to why people, including me, are doing that is because it's what mods usually prefer, speaking from experience i know they tend to get kinda pissed off when their inboxes gets filled up just cuz of those kind of requests.

I would personally prefer you guys PM me instead of post in the threads.

It's much easier to have a list of messages that look like:

"This topic was posted in the wrong section.
https://www.fakku.net/viewtopic.php?t=11990
It should go in ____."

If that's what you guys prefer then of course i'll/we'll go by that, i was just saying that some mods prefer the opposite and that's why we were posting like we did =3

Either way, we appreciate everyones help :D

If you guys ever see anything that needs to be moved or someone that needs to be reported, definitely feel free to PM me. There is a lot of forum and a lot of posts to read and as much as I'd like to, I can't keep up with all of it. So help me, help you!

Same here

Yeah, I had the same opinion of KloWn, but more so because this is primarily a moderator's responsibility to check the mood and flow of the forums while the admins dedicate their time to the meatier parts of the main site and major changes. This is in no way insinunating that the moderators aren't doing their jobs, and I realize there's a lot of forum to go through and not all moderators can be on every single day. Hence, we have a need of increasing the number of moderators a bit. Since the staff have openly expressed that PMs or reporting threads won't bother them at all (don't regret this later, haha), I think that will definitely solve our current problems faster than usual.

Though I ultimately think that that is only a temporary measure that will suffice for now (because of Motemote and all), and that we should eventually increase the ranks of the moderator team somewhat. From 2-5 would be fine in my opinion. Let's see, we have near 90,000 members, and *counts active moderators* we have Gambler, Mike, Mattarat, Hibia, Tsujoi (if I'm forgetting anybody else, please tell me), and if we go by the rule of 1 mod per 10,000 members, we're short of 3-4 moderators. And again, there is no need to make this decision now, but it’s something we must consider soon, especially once Motemote actually starts rolling, possible flame wars can ensue and spam and everybody would need to be on the lookout for that.

And another question: I notice that certain parts of the forum have their own moderator: is that the only domain of control or can they edit other portions of the forums like a general moderator? If that’s the case, I think having moderators that have general powers over the entire forum (edit/fix/intervene as they see fit) or moderators dedicated to the 5 main sections (FAKKU, General, Anime and Manga, Hentai, and Special Interests) would be much more handier and flexible. If that isn’t case and all moderators have general modding powers, then scratch what I just wrote, though it might not be a bad idea to have general moderators per main section of the forums. What’s your take on this?

And one last thing before I stop this diatribe/argument of mine, I still believe that FAKKU should institute a new page of rules, FAQs, and FAKKU core values and philosophy. It will make things a lot easier as the rules will be categorized and indexed and linked as well as listing general netiquette guidelines/common sense as well as our FAKKU philosophy. This will ensure:
1. We have a definite page of reference (and linked references) with all the rules, FAQs, and netiquette in one place. + Sufficiency, + easy reference of rules
2. This will make our site more organized, more compact, more concise, and the rules/FAQs/netiquette obvious to everyone – they CAN’T miss it, and it’s all there. + Efficiency, + less stickies and random threads that contain x, y, z, + forum ease of navigation
3. This new page/section containing x, y, z will give our FAKKU staff legal and proper firepower to move/edit/delete threads and/or punish members and who break the rules that have no proper recourse or defense. (This assuming staff will have some sort of punitive measures, referring back to what I wrote about what can constitute as punitive measures) + Legality, + swift and proper action, + overall forum cohesion and unity

How this new page/section would be set up in the spoiler to save space: (subject to revision as seen fit)

I’m am strongly urging for this, not only because our rules and FAQs and stuff is scattered and hidden, a lot of forums have a page or section dedicated to the rules. Here’s an example at boxtorrents.com where I’m a member in good faith though I don’t post: http://wiki.boxtorrents.com/index.php/Rules And in fact, they created their own wiki page because of the intricacies of using torrents and the rules and FAQs for it. We obviously don’t need a wiki, but I feel that we do need in some sense a page just dedicated to rules and such. Also, my points about FAKKU philosophy and mission statement were what I gleaned from admins’ thoughts and posts and I think it accurately reflects FAKKU’s mission statement.

Any and all input/feedback would be appreciated to the moderator/staff suggestions and the suggested pages of rules are welcome and appreciated. I know I write a lot, but I do this for the welfare of the community, so please read carefully even if it’s long, I’d be much obliged.

You seem to forget that even though we have 90,000 registed users, less than 5% of that actually post.

I do know that, and that on average we have around 40 members at any moment on the forums. However, it's the other 10-20% that forgets/breaks the rules that ruins it for everybody.

Any feedback to my previous post? I really think that a new rules of page is worth the effort, moderator issues aside which to me are no longer an immediate issue anymore but which should be addressed eventually.

With regards to the issue on the number of Mods, how does one define the optimal number of staff members required on a particular day? If they are insufficient in numbers, it could lead to a lack of governance on the forums. On the other hand, if there are far too many of them, it could lead to inefficiency. In addition, I believe the number of members and guests swell at different parts of the week, maybe even at certain times of the day, which could lead to more replies and misplaced threads, calling for these mistakes to be corrected only during these peak periods. Using statistics to determine the optimal number of staff could over-simplify the entire issue, since it may not necessarily reflect the truth.

As for the rules and FAQs aspect, I agree we need an updated list. However, it should not be too in-depth, resulting in a restriction of freedom. People log on to Fakku mainly because they are looking for hentai, and I doubt they want to go through a huge wall of text. Based on my own personal experience, I have a tendency to glance through the terms and conditions before signing up for a hentai site, since I am usually far too excited about discovering a new source for my hobby. Therefore, we should not have high expectations about all members knowing the rules by hard. Like I have said in the past, punitive action should only be taken when one flaunts the rules blatantly. Otherwise, I believe everyone should be given the benefit of a doubt.