Reporters

Links are dropping like fuckin flies, so i feel the need to bring this subject up once again, is there something being done about this?
I seem to remember Raze or Jacob saying something about some solution to this that they were looking into, what's the status on that?
I love contributing gamez & other stuff to the community, but having my links removed less than 24 hours after i've posted 'em kinda ruins that, big fuckin time.

well I have to say I was spared be reporters for a long time now.
mostly because I went form the collection thread to single threaded again.

but you always seem to create single threads, so I guess there is either a user hired by a company to report h-games links here or someone who doesn´t like you.....well actually who really seem to hate you.

and I don´t think we can do much
post barrier = result spamfaggoty
rep barrier = result spamfaggoty as well or "please rep me threads"
using linkprotection sides for MR/MU uploads = bullshit


only thing that could be done would be to manually choose the users who fakku thing are worthy to enter the upload section = result would be admin spamming

or do it like crimson and give the links via PM......which is a fuckton of work.

then again the ONLY option is an own uploadserver....would lead to increased traffic and so the cost would explode....well I don´t seem to have a solution for this.

It's being worked on. I'll be helping with the effort soon. We can't give any time estimates, just 'when it's done'. And... where there's a will, there's a way. They'll try and report what they like for laughs and their own sense of justice. Possibly to spite you too. Who knows what their motives are.

It's also possible the upload sites are checking referrers, which is something I only just thought of. This issue will be/has been raised.

Also, what's with all the swearing in a lot of your posts :( And it was me and Jacob or even Raze, sneakily who had this idea. Not sure who had it first, think it was Jake, but he didn't mention it.

It's not just me that's affected, alot of other threads in the game-section are down as well, i might be the one who has the most links going down, but that's probably due to me being the one posting the most threads in that section.

Both those ideas have been proved to work on other forums, so i wouldn't mind something like that.

Just get a few temp-mods and a big-ass banner saying:
"Whoever spams in attempt to gain entry to the upload-section get perm-banned!"
Then just ban everyone who tries that shit anyway until it calms down.


Agreed, although it probably serves it's purpose it's annoying as hell to download from it.


Already did that on another forum, after awhile i just stopped uploading games there cuz i couldn't be arsed to PM 15 people a day.

So yeah, fuckton of work.


I won't deny the possibilty of something else than reporters being the cause of it, it could be someone taking my links and posting them on some other reporter-infested forum without my permission, but i doubt it tbh.

Also, don't wanna be nag you about this, but since you can't give any estimate, does that mean it's like months away or something?


It's a habit, i talk like that irl too.
I don't really think of it at all since im so used to talking like that, but yeah, people have wondered the same thing before and im aware of it.

I think that plan discussion should be confidential and stay in the admin level and never be leaked into the forums, because the reporter might get an idea how to bypass or trick the system, based on the "plan".

Well here are some quick ideas, though they are not good ones.

Torrents cannot be taken down, try uploading and seeding torrents.

Or maybe make it clear in the topic that you will only give your links in the IRC channel. And that people should join and whisper you for them.

Indeed, those aren't very good ideas. Torrents kinda defeats the purpose; these uploads are for those who prefer DDL and/or cannot use torrents for whatever reason. As for any form of "ask me for the links/password", you'd probably be swarmed with PMs, emails, IRC messages... stuff like that.

I've been mulling over this issue for a while. Link protectors don't work (as well any sort of redirecting, whether it be through FAKKU itself or some third party site), but it would make links slightly more time-consuming to take down. Doesn't help that sites like rapidshare/megaupload display the download link on the download page. And we all know from experience post-count restrictions are more bane than boon.

Perhaps the best way to preserve uploads, though it will be extremely restrictive (and thus un-FAKKU), would be to have a rep requirement. So something like a hide box that can only be seen by those with x rep or higher (x is up to the uploader); that way, uploaders have the option of making their uploads more or less accessible. Unlike post count, rep must be given to you by others, and therefore spamming will not work (any rep abuse/self-repping will and should be swiftly punished; Jacob/Hibia, we should think about coding something that would automatically detect such activity). Threads begging for rep will not work either, as people will sooner to give negative rep to people who do that than positive rep. But again, by the same token, the links will be accessible only to those who earned their place in the FAKKU community, which can be a good or bad thing (I'm beginning to see it as an option worth going for).

What Raze said, and upload on MU/ME/RS mainly since i can't be seeding stuff all the time, that and my upload speed is slooooow.

Well that's pretty much the same thing as me PM'ing links to everyone, way too much work considering the amount of people likely to want it.


Im all for this idea.
I upload stuff for the community, not the leechers.
Not that i have anything against them downloading my stuff, but if it's at the cost of my links contantly getting shot down then tough shit, get more active.

About a reputation requirement, I only have one thing to say - not everyone on the site gets a lot of +rep. There are quite a few good, active posters who have been on Fakku for a long time that don't have a ton of rep points. If the rep requirement was 20, that might be alright, but if it was 30, a lot of decent members of the community, who are definitely not leechers, would be cut off. For some reason, I see a lot of people with 20-29 rep points.

Anyways, a possible solution - a while back, I uploaded both episodes of Wife with Wife and posted them here on Fakku. Before long, they were reported and deleted, so I reuploaded them, but instead of just reupping the episodes, I put each episode in a winrar file (not hard to do) and called them "stuff 1" and "stuff 2." See pic below:



The episodes stayed here on Fakku for quite a while, without being deleted. They're gone now because the company that licensed the series asked Jacob to remove them, and I was happy to do so, but even now, they're still around. If I ever want to download the episodes again, or share them with someone, I just look them up on my email (because you can send an email to yourself when you upload something on Megaupload) and find the links.

This may be a good way to preserve links. It's at least worth a shot.

The flaw with this suggestion is that i won't know what game is which when i need the links from MU again for whatever reason, and i have alot of games in my MU-archive.

It wouldn't be hard to create a wordpad document and put the links there, and a description of them, when you upload something. At least, that would be easier than reupping them again and again.

I doubt the rep requirement would need to be above 10. Lots of people have that much and it's kind of unlikely anyone that active would be reporting shit. Another incredibly weird way to do it that would probably require additional fiddling with the site would be some sort of ability to individually check off which members were allowed to see the upload section. I would suggest against ever allowing non-mods or admins to be allowed to control such a checklist as it would quickly devolve into dickishness.

All areas of computer design can't really have any estimated time of release. Some things may take longer than anticipated, and some might be far shorter. So once I'm totally on board and manage to catch up properly with Jacob, hopefully we can both pour lots of our brains into it. Even if I end up just code-monkeying a lot of the time. ;p



There's not much to it, and more ideas are getting added every now and again.



I think reputation requirements IS against the FAKKU way, and is also difficult. It's hard to want to actively post JUST to get some porn. I agree it is one method, but I think automated methods and human intervention to frequently check these systems is also a good idea. But I think it's highly likely that it IS a user. And that could take a lot of effort to weed them out. I think a system I suggested before was good, but I need to draw it up again and paste it in. It also requires a lot of traffic on the link in question, in a manner of speaking. We'll see... But rest assured, we're not sitting here playing Final Fantasy Four on our DSs. Oh, wait, boss battle... -goes back to leveling Rydia-

PMing users is just like checking for bots. Perhaps a normal CAPTCHA check each time the forum is accessed by a user? Once every 10 link clicks? Irksome, but irksome enough to force someone to sit at their keyboard. My automated way of doing things will be quite heavy on the server, however... We'll see, alright? Just rest up and cross your fingers.

-This post makes little sense, as it all came out while I was thinking about methods of protection. I'd like to avoid rep requirements as much as possible. And I am led to believe that it's just a user, rather than something automated. So they'd pass any NORMAL checks. But I have a few tricks up my sleeve.-

If I remember your idea correctly, it's basically what we have going for the manga in the FAKKU db: indirectly linking to the download link, through the server, thus the actual link is never openly posted. Like I said previously, it's no different than using a link-protector, except the FAKKU servers may get a lot more traffic. And like I said before, if people really tried, they would still be able to report the links anyway no matter how elaborate the protection, since megaupload/rapidshare displays the download link clearly on the page (though mediafire does not). Looking at it rationally and all things considered, it won't work if the reporters try hard enough, but in practice it just might, since we haven't had any cases (that I know of) of the DB manga being taken down by reporters. That being said, all of you uploaders should definitely try to use link protection; if it works, then all's well.

Indeed, a rep requirement would foster elitism and totally goes against the FAKKU philosophy. However, having experienced a period of serious uploading myself (before my adminship), it's frustrating to do even with a good connection, and it just doesn't seem fair to me to have the uploaders risk taking gigantic blows to their uploads, which take a lot of time, effort, and bandwidth (in the case of h-anime and games) to put up. It's not a global rep requirement to enter either; the uploaders can specify which parts of their post require rep to view (and maybe do nifty things like torrent link to where they got it from on the outside, and DDL links on the inside). We are granting the uploaders more control over their links, which is most certainly deserved. Even a requirement of 1 rep, for example, would greatly decrease the chance of links getting reported. And honestly, if you aren't underaged and/or have at least a semblance of intelligence, how hard is it to get one rep?

We also risk losing our uploaders. Since Afroman's collection got demolished a while ago, I don't remember seeing him around much anymore (I could be wrong here, because I pay zero attention to English translated/hardsubbed uploads). He effectively moved away from FAKKU and started his own blog, I think.

There will be no doubting that such a requirement will almost certainly preserve the links, at the cost of shunting out the leechers. That's basically what it boils down to. An idealist would choose not to go with the plan, because it's mean. One who is practical, however, would certainly go with the idea. Put bluntly, it is a law of nature that nothing is free, and the generous should not have to suffer while the few bad apples ruin everything for everyone else. I honestly don't like the scenario of finally finding what I've been searching for for ever only to be hindered by a barrier like a rep requirement, but if it's going to frustrate and drive away our uploaders if nothing else works, then the reasons for going with it are clear.

actually even torrents can be taken down but only if the shit in it is licensed an some reporter hired by the company just complains about it at the admin of the side where you can dl the torrent...most likely.

I'm not suggesting that someone remove all their uploads and replace them with ones with camouflaged descriptions, just that all a person may start uploading stuff that way. If I uploaded one game a day, and I started using camouflaged descriptions, at the end of the day, I'd have a Wordpad document with links to one game in it. That's it. And in a month, I'd have links to 30 games, without a lot of work.

I suggest this idea assuming that the person reporting the link is someone here on Fakku, or someone searching Fakku for the sole purpose of reporting links. Like I said, my camouflaged episodes of Wife with Wife stayed for a good while without being reported. I'm not sure how the reporting system works, but if a person reports a link to Megaupload that is just says "stuff," the staff may not be able to delete it, just from the reporter's word. Otherwise, everything posted on Megaupload could be deleted because anyone could say that it was porn.

I don't think this idea is perfect, far from it, and I'm not even certain that it would work, but I think it's worth a shot. That's why I mentioned it. People shouldn't stop working on a new system to guard links, but that new system may not be finished for quite a while. Why not try something else in the meantime?

Raze, not quite.

Yes, they will be stored. But [undefined/full] amount of clicks on the link that is a redirection will log the user name, the IP, the time and whatever else I think would be beneficial. That allows us to see around WHEN the link was reported and by WHO. If people click the link, and it doesn't work, removed, they can click report [since I'm thinking frames will be used, with a FAKKU bar in the top frame] to show that the link no longer works. The idea might be not just to link to the site using FAKKU as a redirection, but to use FAKKU to generate a link protection link on another site, so that we're not the referrer. [We can do that in-house too, just have to talk it over with Jacob and see if he has some spare unaffiliated domains] We will also be able to figure out if there are any cases of a user reporting the link as broken at the same time as reporting it on a site, with a bit of spit and elbow grease.

It could be on the upload sites end, checking referrers. Even with your camouflaged descriptions [which is quite a good note]. I mean, we can't rule out everything. Reputation, I'll eat my words. Fuck the leechers. If they don't want to take five minutes to post and get to know some other leechers-gone-posters then I'm sure they can find porn on Google. And like you said with link reporters being really determined to select the links and get them reported... the same could be done with reputation. I think there is no real reliable method, but employing as many as possible could be a good bet.

Also, adding popular proxies to a blacklist does seem like a good idea. Of course, this is troublesome for countries like Singapore who sometimes have shared IP addresses. If a reporter happens to be on their subnet, they could be quite annoyed. Systems will need to be developed there too.

Lots of ideas, and no test environment. Hopefully that'll be good in an hour.