[Locked] Role of Moderators on Fakku

You don't make sense some times. Just had to check.

If it is directed towards the users already on fakku, and you are saying "what if they don't care (about making fakku better)" then I have this to say:

I don't expect everyone on here to have the best interest of Fakku at heart. They probably just saw some funny post of Rbz's and though "Haha! I like that... let me join in" or wanted help installing a VN Klown uploaded - then they have nothing to add besides memes and pictures of memes. At this point, I think that it is the job of the moderators to step in and stop a thread like the one that occurred before it gets out of hand. There are plenty of users that were saying "stop fighting" "don't get mad" "leave the person alone - lock this thread".
If users are begging to have a thread stopped because it is ruining a section, then you know that either a moderator is not doing their job, or none of them are online.

Now I'm not naming names, but a certain icicle sucker dropped the ball on that one.

But sure, some people are going to be less than friendly because they just don't care - they think it is funny. Moderators should not be leading that movement though. They should be reversing it.

But I'm sure I missed something you wanted me to address, so lay it on me.

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Yay! Finally the discussion is moving!

Anyway, I think I've had this "role of moderators" discussion waaaay too many times. Briefly: We are here to make sure threads are in the right places, and to remove spam. The rest is subjective, and there is not really anything we are required (or even obligated) to do or not do.

Also, wasn't your initial plea to the users? Hit a dead end there, so now the responsibility falls on the moderators?

I don't expect to much of the moderators - not in an offensive sort of way, but in a sense of I know what is realistic. However, I do not like the idea of a moderator egging on a problem when they are the ones that can fix it - and that other users are asking them to do so.

A dead end isn't exactly what I would call it - I gave my opinion on how members should act. It just wasn't much as I don't expect a great shift in attitude.

Also, you seem to be implying that I was having a call to arms or putting blame on a specific group. I wasn't doing either. I said Fakku - all of Fakku, users and mods - would benefit from being nice to new users. But it isn't even "being nice" that I'm trying for here, it is just not being mean. No, not even that. Just not being a complete ass to a new person because they did something that is considered stupid by the experienced members. And you know what? I don't even expect or want that - people not being complete asses - to be the norm. But when someone is trying to contribute in someway, the kind of behavior in Girlfountain's thread is detrimental to having more people join forum discussions.

So there. The above paragraph states the very little and insignificant effort I hope that all users would show. However, I know that it is unreasonable to think that there still won't be threads like Girlfountain's. So when things do get out of hand, I do think the last resort is for a moderator to step in - one person could of stopped it.

Now, if they (the moderator) doesn't, well then tough luck for the new guy. I get it, this is the internet, things can get mean and ugly. However, when a moderator not only does not stop the bashing of a new member (who was trying to contribute) then joins in the bashing, AND THEN says explicitly that they aren't going to do anything, then admits that another moderator can take care of it instead because they are having fun from tormenting the new user... Don't you think that takes it too far? Don't you think that qualifies as being hurtful to the quality of the forums on Fakku? That knew members not only can't count on moderators for help, but that moderators are part of the group attacking them?


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Nope. Quality control is easier when there is less to control.

Well then we just have a difference of opinion - am I correct in assuming that you do not want Fakku to become larger - at least not noticeably so? If so, I would have to disagree. Fakku is going to get more memebers all the time - anime, manga, and visual novels are increasingly more popular, the implementation of streaming videos on the site, the uploading of non-H doujinshi going to all lead to an increase in the frequency of new members. Whether or not they like the site enough to contribute or stick around depends on the community already here - and that community's caretakers are the moderators. Not saying it is all up to them, but they do play a larger part than the average denizen.

Okay it isn't funny anymore... I don't even have anymore pictures of Grover

Mod Note: As much as I will miss the images of the hot Asian females, I believe this "GirlFountain" saga has gone on long enough. Maybe some of you users will not agree with my decision, but I will be locking and deleting this thread.

Sorry for the inconvenience caused.

I'm unlocking this because the thread has evolved past it's original meaning and is now a civil discussion on the roles of moderators here on fakku and therefore doesn't deserve to be locked.

on new topic: My role as I see it is not to act as a preschool teacher, or wet nurse for new members, I am a police officer. I am not here to stop people from being mean to each other, nor am I here to pick up litter people leave everywhere, my job is to stop users from speeding into oncoming traffic carrying a tractor trailer load of guro while swerving and listening to j-pop. I'm here to stop violent crimes, and grand theft, and other major issues. No where in my job description did it say I had to stop having an opinion, nor did it ever say I had to be nice about giving my opinion. You Keep telling me (countless times in the past) that you think it's not my job to join in when a user is being jumped on and I have constantly reminded you that it's not my job to avoid doing so either. I'm not doing this to hurt/help fakku, this part of my character has nothing to do with the benefit/detriment of Fakku, I will most likely not stop posting the way I want to simply because some users might be offended and leave. Please dont make some blanket statement like "you don't care about the well being of fakku", it is very plain to see that we simply don't agree on the best method to help this site. You want more users, I want more quality users who are adult enough to not be angered when told they had a bad post. I guess to sum up my entire position I want to remind you and the rest of the community that It is up to me how I decide to aide this community, and I clearly don't agree with your view on my role as a staff member and thus my position will remain the same in the future as long as I have this position (if that should end then so be it).

Mod Note: As Waar has mentioned, the original discussion has shifted to the role of Moderators on Fakku. I have split the relevant replies from the not-so-relevant ones and moved this thread from Incoherent Babbling to the Feedback, Suggestions and Support section, so that everyone can contribute to the discussion seriously, without verbally attacking one another in a negative manner.

Thank you and sorry for the inconvenience caused.

It's often the nature of a lot of users on Fakku. I've gotten pretty sick of it myself, but I'm not in a position to really do anything about it, and I've become too apathetic to worry about keeping track of this stuff to a point of feeling necessary to contact Jacob about it.

The problem is the line between being a moderator and being a member. Yes, I do agree that moderators need to be be more professional, but at the same time all the staff here are members too who just want to have fun and don't want to interfere with other members "fun". Problem is some of the mods act as trollish as some of the troublesome members too or at least ignore when trolling is taking place.

In the end I just have to accept that Jacob chose his staff because he knows them better than anyone else on this site, and if there is ever a problem big enough then Jacob would be able to take the steps necessary even if it isn't a pleasant resolution.

Who's going to leave, and in which thread did all this transpire?
Nvm, found it.

You can't buy a Mods opinions or actions. They dislike something they will say it. You got a problem with it well deal with it. If someone wants to say someone is an idiot and should stop posting then let them. You're an adult not a child. You should understand this simple concept. They moderate topics to make sure things degenrate to a point of nothing but shit and to enforce rules. Basically the job is flexible to be done as situations pop up.

There was only an argument because Girlfountain was being rude to other members; the original replies were not unreasonable. That said, it should have been locked as soon as the actual purpose of the thread had been fulfilled, i.e. after about one page.

The thing is, it seems like only the 'bad threads' get locked in IB, where as anything with 3 page-plus potential is left open. I don't have a problem with the way Waar involves himself per say, but there is a line between stifling discussion and preventing 10 pages of unnecessary and unflattering drama. IB may be a no-holds-barred cesspit of a forum, and policing it is doubtless difficult, but I think there needs to be a little more discretion in its moderation.

I was told not to, the fact that I moderate anything in IB is due to me being stubborn.

I never said or thought you were a bad moderator Waar. I don't know if you were addressing me specifically, but I also don't think "you don't care about fakku". I also don't want to you to stop being yourself and posting your opinions, however I do think that a moderator's job is to lock a thread that devolves into a pool of attacks like Girlfountain's did.

If you disagree, then we simply have a difference of opinion as to what kind of discretion a moderator should use when seeing those kinds of threads.

- Just in case someone doesn't know, I did not start this topic >___>

Yep, we disagree about the very basics of what my job entails. So you understand when I say that your opinion in this case is wrong, correct? I'm not making fun or trying to be argumentative but as far as "what a moderator on fakku should act like" my opinion or the opinion of my boss is the only thing that matters in this case.

p.s. you have called me a bad moderator in the past, it has influenced my view of all your points.

I may have said you were moderating poorly or badly, but not that you were flat out a bad moderator. An analogy would be criticizing a quarterback for a bad pass or a bad play. You'll be mad at their screw ups, but not necessarily think that they are an overall bad Quarterback.

Also, my opinion isn't just on what a moderator on Fakku should be like, it is for what any forum's moderators should act like. Of all the users, they should not be the ones to fan the flames of a flame thread. If the police are the ones committing the crimes, who going to stop them? Not only that, but they make everyone they represent and work for look bad. Nobody will respect their authority, people leave town, finally the downtown mini mall closes.

You said you were like a police man - fine. I agree with that assessment, and to further add to your claim that you should act however you feel I point out that there are policemen that are friendly and police that are jerks. There are funny police, rude police, police that are loud and police that are quiet. That's fine - nothing says you have to have an attitude or personality change. However, what police do have to do is follow the rules and are excepted to do so above all others. Police skirting or bending rules is more scrutinized then it is with other people.



This rule were broken - or at least bended to an extreme degree - and by multiple people. Someone should of locked the thread, and definitely not of egged on the continuation of the chaos that transpired.

Honestly, I'm not saying you are a bad mod. It is just on that specific play, you made a bad pass.

no rules we have ever enforced were broken. If anything the first to start attacking was the user in question, or do you believe saying a thread is bad is an attack (one which you yourself is "guilty" of).


Using the police officer analogy it can be said that I was being an asshole cop, not breaking the law. If you want to take personal insults as a violation consider it me simply returning fire at a suspect who is shooting at me, or me speeding to catch someone speeding.

I have to say on this one user thing. The user that was supposedly attack, was the one to attack first and at 2 different moderators from what I can tell. So in that the user was asking for it. If you attack someone expect to be attacked back. Especially if it is done on a public forum. Cause on a public forum not only will the attacked user fight back, but other users are going to get involved. And users that like the Mods are going to attack back in respect of that mod.

Now OT of speaking about Fakku Mods. Jacob created this site, and as such has the main amount of control. If he does not like something but the rest of us do we have to live with that when coming to Fakku. As such Jacob has final say in many things on here. 1 of which I believe would be who is and who is not a Section Moderator/Global MOderator/Admin. Which means that all Users who have become Moderators were approved to be such by Jacob and thus we should trust in Jacob's decision.

If any of the mod did something unforgivable I believe Jacob would not hesitate to fire them.

I don't think you or anyone else started the problem - if anyone did it was the user. However, to say that you were "firing back" at the user for whatever reason is a bit stretching it. If you wanted to stop the users post, you could of locked the thread. You told the user you would lock any future post they made that were of the same quality. I think that is fine to do, even if you did do it in an abrasive manner - that was your choice. However, what was the point of prolonging the conflict?

It seems that you did it entirely for your own amusement.


The existance of that thread degrades the quality of Fakku's forums. Now, I understand Mods have to let a lot of things go - don't want to over moderate and stifle people's fun. However, this thread had no value. It was just a thread where insults were thrown. It wasn't at all about you trying to explain to the user that you would lock any threads like the one they made in the future - you already said that several time. If you really wanted to make a point you should of did it after the first few post.

Other people lurking and thinking about joining the forum will see this, see the title next to your name, and not want to join a forum where the Moderator is going to attack people for disagreeing with them.

The user was being stupid, made post they shouldn't have, and was just a big a problem as anyone and probably more so. However, it all could of been shut down if it was locked when the user got aggressive - you could of had the last word then shut it down. But that was something you explicitly stated you did not want to do and engaged the user in a war that served only to make IB look like 4chan.

Not saying you are a horrible mod for what went on, but the topic of the thread is about the role of Moderators on Fakku. I'm just stating what I consider that role to be.