Torrents!

Before I start, does the site all have a unified opinion on torrents? I detect some aversion to it, but that's just me.

Although the torrent section as it stands now is really, really small, I believe that it could increase quite a bit if there were to be subforums under each of the user upload topics where torrent links can go.

It's a lot simpler than clicking 25 links or so and waiting 15-20 minutes each for them. I know torrenting something would probably take longer than clicking those links, but it just seems like a horrific waste of time to be tied to a lot of download links.

Additionally, torrents are never taken down (although they can die a slow and painful death TT) so there's no need for constantly uploading the same thing over and over.

But if everything works fine as it is, that's ok. Perhaps it's just the seeder in me advocating.

Some people are unable to use torrents, while others have shitty connections that benefit from direct downloads, while others still live in out of the way locales where even what we would consider slow-speed internet is a luxury.

I'm in favor of torrents, and try to provide one whenever I upload something, but I've noticed that few others do. No clue why, but I'm guessing just not enough people really care.

It's a nice idea, but in the end it really is too much trouble to implement. There are the reasons that Arizth stated, but there's also the overwhelming fact that people on here seem to hate torrents. They have gotten used to the instant gratification of direct downloads, and few of them are willing to look back. Just you try giving someone a torrent in the request section; half the time you will get people complaining that it isn't on MU or something.

When that happens, I really don't bother to answer unless a) the person asks nicely for something other than a torrent, or b) I'm feeling generous to spend the extra effort.

To be honest, torrents are the way to go, and people should realize that. More stuff could be found on torrents than any sort of method, maybe with the exception of IRC, but that's a tougher than average program to use.

Indeed. :lol: Haha, it's so funny when I think about it. I really want to help them out but those people aren't even "trying" to help themselves, it's quite annoying if you'd ask me... and I just can't help but laugh at such ignorance. Torrents are the primary means of downloading nowadays, how come most users around here aren't accustomed to it yet... :roll:


Of course, they have their so called "reasons." But heck, I believe that most of them are just being dumb and don't even want to bother learning at all.

While I have no intention supporting lazy/stupid people it is true that some connection types make using torrents a bitch. Been there myself while behind a shitty router. Made me learn how to use IRC BTW so I have no regrets. Still - that's probably a minority amongst users.

Got nothing against focusing more on torrents personally but I'm afraid people will still whine for DDs or ignore them because of the speeds/lack of seeds.

I would probably use torrents alongside Mu if it weren't for the fact that i have to seed that shit, cuz that ain't really an option for me with all the game im uploading, if im lucky i might get like 1 person who seeds, the rest is just gonna leech and leave, leaving the torrent dead.

Torrents are only good if people seed. If no one seeds, then the torrent is useless. On the other hand, direct downloads last (as long as they don't get deleted due to TOS or being reported or whatever). Plus, torrenting small things is kind of stupid. Like a chapter of a manga. What's the point of torrenting a single 3MB chapter?

I use torrents and direct downloads often, but if I had to pick one over the other, I'd pick direct downloads. With them, you know you're going to be able to download the thing, and you know that your speed will never suddenly drop down to 1kb/s.

It would be good if people could provide links for both direct download and torrent. That said, how many people know how to make torrents? I've been using torrents for years, and I have no clue how to make one. I looked up the info a while back because I was thinking about making one, but it seemed like too much work for what I wanted to do. I imagine similar things have happened to other people here. And in the end, it's up to the uploader to provide a torrent. If the uploader doesn't know how to make a torrent, or doesn't want to bother with one, or doesn't plan to seed the torrent, he has the right to not make a torrent. Saying that User Uploads need more torrents is like saying that User Uploads needs more rape doujins; you may think more is needed, but if so, it's your job to upload them. You can't order people to upload more of a certain thing.

personally, i use torrents all the time. my connection is excellent so the downloads go wicked fast. i have to agree with everyone else though. if no one seeds, it's a bitch. leeched torrent either don't work, or take literally weeks or months. they just start going when ever they damn well feel like.

I have to admit, FAKKU has an unusually high amount of users who just seem plain incapable of figuring out torrents. They come out with stuff like "torrents don't like me" and things like that. My brother couldn't give a shit about computers and usually only uses them to send emails and watch videos on BBC iPlayer but he still figured out how to use torrents on his own and he's behind a router, which can complicate things a little.

A lot of people also use shitty torrent programs and then think that a torrent has no seeds when using a program such as uTorrent would yield several seeds due to things like DHT (Distributed Hash Tracking or something like that - basically, you get seeds even when the tracker is down).

It's not terribly hard to create a torrent, as long as you have a tracker to put it on (ThePirateBay would serve one such function).

And yes, people are inclined not to seed/can't do it physically. It makes me cry sometimes, but that's the price you pay for such a nice service. I notice that at least some people like torrenting here, so perhaps there's hope yet.

For one, utorrent is the way to go because it's simple and fast. I'm behind a router too, and I'm uploading at 300 kb/s (somehow, don't ask me why because I can't even access my router).

Torrenting is so much more convenient if people are willing to put an ounce of effort into figuring out the basic premise and to also have patience. However, it's not as efficient as DDing for small files like chapters unless there are lots of people seeding.

I'll give an example: Say I wanted to download a file that was split into 40 parts, each ~100 mb. Each file would take about half an hour on a reasonable connection (~28 kb/s). So that gross total turns out to be 1200 minutes or 20 hours of clicking link after link and waiting for it to download. Tack on a minute per download, 3 hours allocated for three meals and bathroom time, and any other amount of time needed in a day.
The point is, it takes a long time just sitting at the computer continuously.

Then there's a torrent which one can simply google search for and click on to use. I'll use A-Ga as an example, since it fits my above example perfectly. It's split into 40 parts, each about 100 mb. I google searched for a torrent of it, because I simply don't want to click 40 links and waste that time.

Having found one at about 10:30 pm est last night, I proceeded to download and promptly left it alone for a WHOLE DAY, (Oh dear, that's too long TT) where I found it finished at about 11:30 pm est on Monday. In between I finished a few books, did some exercise, watched a movie or two, surfed the web, cleaned the kitchen, did more random errand work around the house and relaxed.

The moral of the story is that while DD's are easily accessible, gifted with the term "instantaneously gratifying", and used by many, many people, torrents deserve a bit of attention too because they're quicker than you think and more convenient.

OOC: While we're on the topic, would any of you like a Demonoid invite, if you don't have one already?

No one is gonna pay that price, and that's the thing, Fakku strives on leechers who ain't all too keen on contributing/helping.
And im pretty sure the torrents people have posted here ain't their own, so they don't need to seed, and that's the only reason they've posted 'em.


Or you just copy/paste the links into Mega Manager all at once, it takes like 5 seconds.
(and who the hell has a 28kb/s connection nowadays? :? )

Like i said before, i love torrents, and im sure all the other agree's, and i use torrents alot more than DD's myself, but that doesn't mean im gonna start uploading games using it, cuz as stated, it won't work if no one seeds, and i can't, and won't, seed all my 100+ games by myslef.

Yeah, everything you say is true, Shukuchi, but none of it matters if people aren't willing or able to upload torrents or seed them.

It should be noted that with MegaUpload, you can upload and download very large files. I believe the maximum size allowed is 1GB. That saves a lot of trouble, since Rapidshare's maximum size is 200MB. Of course, if people don't take advantage of MegaUpload and upload five split archives of 200MB, the problem persists. But at least it's possible to download something large with only one download link.

You'd be surprised how willing people are to seed. The Persona 4 hentai torrent I made the other day has had 1063 downloads off NyaaTorrents and 1098 off Deadfrog and still has 27 seeds. The Persona 4 one I made before that, quite a while ago, still has 4 seeds. You just need to post it around, like on Deadfrog, NyaaTorrents, TokyoTosho and/or HongFire.

Torrents that have been made by a subbing/scanlating group will almost always have seeds. Remember, you don't need that many seeds as long as there are a lot of peers as well. If there were just 2 or 3 seeds with 100s of peers, everyone would still get fast speeds. Even when I'm just seeding on my own, I'll see peers getting download speeds in the hundreds even though my upload speed rarely gets as high as 30.

As long as there are a good number of peers with a decent percentage complete (doesn't even need to be as high as 50%), they'll be uploading to each other at decent speeds even if your upload speed is shit. Any newly joined peers will get max speeds off the more progressed peers and as long as you do Super Seeding, people will always have different parts from each other and won't tend to all flatten out at the same percentage.

The main problem isn't people being unwilling to seed, it's people thinking that torrents are somehow complicated and preferring to sit there all day just downloading 10 parts of a RAR off Megaupload or something. Even though there's that useful program that's been mentioned, you still have to wait for one part to finish so you're still bound to your PC for the whole duration. Anyway, most people don't know about that program and still prefer DD to torrents.

Finally, torrents are even good for small files, despite that not necessarily being what they're designed for. DDing off some site tends to get me a speed of around 100 whereas whenever I download something small (like the latest chapter of Berserk or a torrented doujinshi off e-hentai) it goes at about 300 and is finished before I know it.

That said, if you must upload to DD sites, at least use Mediafire. It has no waiting time, no pop-up ads when you click Download and you can download several things at once. You can only upload 100mb at a time, admittedly, but it's great for smaller things. If you pay for a Pro account (about £4 a month) you can upload files up to 10gb in size.

Yeah but now you're comparing a very popular Ps2-game that alot of people download with H-games that no as many people downloads.
Take hongfire for example, most of the links that ain't brand new, or close to, are dead (granted you can get a re-seed if you're lucky).


What? Why do you have to wait?
You copy/paste all the links into Mega Manager and after that you don't even have to look at it.

Hey if you're paying i might consider it

And being able to upload 10gb is nice and all, but everyone wants it split up in parts anyway (due to slow speed or whatever) so it doesn't really matter.
You can do the same with MU, but to download parts bigger than 1gb you have to have premium, i assume it's the same with Mediafire.

I meant another Persona 4 hentai torrent. It has a few dozen doujinshi in and was originally seeded by just me. It's not a torrent of the game itself. Many weeks later, even after I made an updated version of the torrent, it still has several seeds. Despite the very real problem of torrents eventually running out of seeds, it actually seems to take longer for that to happen than it does for a DD site to delete their content, either 'cause it's against their rules or because it hasn't been downloaded for X amount of days.


OK, I admit I didn't know that. But I did already say "Most people don't know about this useful program and they still prefer DD". While I agree that this Mega Manager is a really useful program, it's not going to be linked to with every DD on the internet and so most people will still remain ignorant of its existence while still preferring DD.

To be honest, my main issue here is brought about by the amount of people in the Request section that ask for something, get given it in torrent form and then just rudely say "I SAID RAPIDSHARE!!!" or "thx but pls upload 2 rapdshare cos torernts dnt liek me" is ridiculous.


That wasn't aimed specifically at you, just at people in general. For larger things, it's not so great unless you pay that fee but for doujinshi and stuff like that, it's perfect. Even without paying, you can download several things at once and there's zero waiting time. It's by far the most convenient DD service and the only drawback, if you can call it that, is that you can only upload 1gb max.

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To summarise, I don't think that everyone should just use torrents, even for little things like a 4mb doujinshi (though as I said, most scanlating groups do release via torrent now - and prefer their users to download that way rather than DD). It's just that it's really pathetic to hear some of the people in the Request section shitting themselves if they're given a torrent link and pretending that torrents "hate" them when in fact they're just too lazy or too stupid to figure it out.

My Dragon Quest hentai blog that I used to do only used DDs because it was more suitable for that format and I think it's better for things like the C75 thread. However, for things like games or collections of things, it's just a far better method. The one real bane of torrents is a campus firewall. That's something that can't be overcome without just blatantly breaking the law and risking being kicked out of uni - seriously not worth it.

I've seen people complain about this problem, and there is little one can do about it. I feel for all the people who have to deal with it.

Though I've said my fair share, the value of torrents shouldn't be argued here. I think we can all agree that torrents can be very fucking good, and it's not like we have to choose torrents or direct downloads over the other. But we have to face reality - most users aren't going to use torrents, or they're only going to leech, and that doesn't help anybody.

Responding to one of Shukuchi's suggestions, adding a subforum to each section in User Uploads won't help anything. It'll just add more clutter. The torrent section is incredibly small as it is. If we want more torrents, we might as well put them all in one section, so we have one active section instead of six half-dead sections. Plus, not every section needs a torrent section. Videos and games - yeah, a torrent section might be nice. Manga, music, flash games - pointless. The files are usually small, so it'd be easier to get direct downloads. I doubt anybody would seed a torrent of the Bleach OST three months after it's posted.

But the main thing is, torrents won't be used by the majority of users, and that isn't likely to change. And, as Klown said, most torrents posted aren't personal; they're just things that users found and are sharing with Fakku. Well, fuck, if I want something, I can often find a torrent of it myself. Often, what I can't find are direct downloads (or torrents with seeds, but people posting the torrents they find wouldn't help me with that).

People are always going to request something and bitch when they get a torrent. That will never change. It's a bummer, but that's the internet. It's not anybody's job to convince the masses that torrents are great, because that'd be impossible. We should just accept that people are going to bitch, and that people aren't going to seed, and that there's nothing we can do about it. We can't change the way all those people act.

What I'm saying pretty much is, if you want torrents, go to a torrent site. There are tons of them, and if you get a torrent from someone here, it's most likely already on one of those other sites.