[Locked] America is the greatest country on earth (lol)

Define freedom. I never specified freedom in connotation to oppression, speech, liberty, legislation, ontology, or anything else. I used it liberally using our specialty of freedom in which I am the most free in saying we are possibly not free.

Yeah i have to agree on the freedom part... i been in some other 'free' countries... in realization.. no one is free because your rights are given. You can lose those rights with a stroke of a hand in every country. Only true freedom is no government.

To the point of usa 1#. It common in every country to believe there brand of nationalism is the best. Been to canada, england, france, spain, japan, mexico, korea, china, ect ect.. they all believe there the best. I can care less about being number one. I have no ego. Aussie penal colony can never be free or number one outside of Vegemite and foster cans.

Hehe.~

First two are highly debatable, and the third is facing growing competition.

Industrialization and Sustained Urbanization aren't necessarily points to be proud of, since China (and other developing countries) is a powerhouse in those areas as well, and yet Poverty and Inequality between classes is fairly extreme.

For Acceptance, it is true that America has a huge multicultural population- but I wouldn't be so quick to name it as number 1- especially when those who are intolerant make such an amount of noise. Keep in mind that the Civil Rights Movement is still recent history, and Blacks still face a very large amount of discrimination.

"Tolerance" would be a better word.


We've had such a kerfuffle before, regarding this.


I'll only say that all countries are flawed- but only The United States of America seem to be disproportionately proud in relation to their actual achievements.


"We're a great country"? Sure.


"We're number one!" A little arrogant.

About the only freedom americans seem to have these days is the right to say their opinions and be completely ignored. America lives under a corrupt government which is busy taking away what freedoms americans have left in the name of "Public safety". The "terrorist's" they are so intent on protecting everyone from are only an excuse.

Do you think that your freedom or lack there of should be dictated by the greed of your government? I don't think so myself, but i was never all that good a judge of character~



How could be so cruel? We do other things like.... like...... oh fuck it fine, all we have is endless desert and some of the best soldiers in the world (which means jack shit right now).

Alright. Now compare this to economic oppression in east Asian workshops, curfewed nationalism in china, warmaking in southern Africa, religious expectoration from Muslim parties in the middle east, egoist Asian subpersonialities, lack of freedom to unalienable rights in certain military first countries slave colony fatherlands, and sex trafficking industries that spot oceanic Asia and lead into such origins as europe and south america. Yep. Still #1.


Edit: someone make a post so I can respond at the very least adequately and without a substantial wall of text.

Funny. You must be one of the many who never been outside the boundaries on one country. You have no idea of what brutality really is. I find it funny when anyone seen shit happen in a first world country against their citizen and cried brutality. You never seen a woman get stone for getting raped. You never heard stories of the majority killing your people/ class or religion because they are not part of the 'in crowd'. So the police beat a few hippies or other people and abuse their powers... you never heard of the government killing a whole class of people because their ancestor was the dominant class or because you believe in a different god. I'm haeresis Ecclesia Gnostica.. the pope been killing us since 200 ad, but meh Old world problems son.



HA.. i haven't laugh since school that hard. You know your trainers trained in the army ranger school... at least your SAS did.

freedom?



army?

american population - 298,444,215 (in 2009)
chinese womans army - 324,701,244 (in 2009)

one emt to cut off technology - and the usa is doomed; so much for your army;

importation sure, but your government prints money from thin air leading to another great depression (i don't mean the 08 depression, i mean the depression that ended in 45) do you know what money is?
money is an iou for commodoties such as gold and silver, held in a secure location - the "iou" you get, is compensation while your wealth is safely elsewhere
printing it from nothing causes mass inflation, more paper then commodoties
= a currency becoming worthless


agriculture, goes to vietnam or china;



racial equality? are you busting my balls?
i went to america, i've never seem more racism in my entire life;
even the media divides people; example? oh i dunno russel peters?
we sit and laugh at differences in america, then when an american gets angry;
those "jokes" in the subconscious get voiced in real anger building situations (tele-vision-programming, you are being told visually the program, ur bein programmed); its not what you say. but how you say it


i'll go with you on corporate profiteering; and aid
on the aid part, america can just print money to give away; have to keep up the image of the hero right? even if we destroyed the nation through war mongering, like say iraq


i'm too tired and drunk to go over the others;

p.s - i know the walled city of kowloon was a bad place,
i wasn't defending it - i was imagining life there before the demolition
i won't argue with you, being led by the triads - it was a bad place, there's no arguing that; it won't stop me from having empathy, being able to put myself in other peoples shoes - the world needs more of that; understanding


not ignorance

what a serious conversation for IB.

We can't look at two places; where inequality and tons of shit exists and say, this one is worse, therefore this one is better!

when in fact they are both bad;

you haven't disproven me, just shifted to "oh this place is worse"
i agree with you on the sweat shop bit; although more of that exists in india,
turkey iraq and iran, china is an economic powerhouse right now; the chinese have a rising middle class not that i'm defending it

go to china, you'll be surprised to find out the standard of living is actually not bad; most americans believe china is some shit hole, because of the media;
its not as bad as it used to be;


i'm just saying america isn't number 1- shit exists everywhere


america is a country that naturally picks the lesser of two evils;

Politics has killed it's thousands, and religion it's tens of thousands.

People should start studying up on some Imperial Truth (a collection of beliefs that upholds the core values of reason, science and secular progress over older traditions of religion, superstition and faith) used by The Emperor from 40k to unite all of mankind by destroying all forms of religion. I don't want to argue with an "Atheists vs Religion" kind of thing, but religion is bullshit IMO.

i never said anything about best soldiers in the world;
i don't defend any one nation - i refuse to believe in nationalism;


you say that everyone thinks their system is right;
hmm....? i fucking hate the canadian system; its a monarchy - where corrupt mps vote democratically bought out by corporations that want to rob the people

i don't agree with it; and i'm not a nationalist

" About the only freedom americans seem to have these days is the right to say their opinions and be completely ignored. America lives under a corrupt government which is busy taking away what freedoms americans have left in the name of "Public safety". The "terrorist's" they are so intent on protecting everyone from are only an excuse.

Do you think that your freedom or lack there of should be dictated by the greed of your government? I don't think so myself, but i was never all that good a judge of character~"

seems fails to be not only underlined and emboldened I see. Alright first I would like to bring to light all the things we are free to do, bring to point every act of lawmaking since the beginning of the United States. Now remove what has been tightened since the enacted of certain terrorist public safety acts. Oh look. I still have all my unalienable rights, am not oppressed at gunpoint, can make a notable income, access to a free market, and my morning news isn't censored, albeit its standards for news are questionable. Looks like I have about everything else along with every other common man that isn't y'know... a terrorist.
To answer your question: No.
"First two are highly debatable, and the third is facing growing competition.

Industrialization and Sustained Urbanization aren't necessarily points to be proud of, since China (and other developing countries) is a powerhouse in those areas as well, and yet Poverty and Inequality between classes is fairly extreme.

For Acceptance, it is true that America has a huge multicultural population- but I wouldn't be so quick to name it as number 1- especially when those who are intolerant make such an amount of noise. Keep in mind that the Civil Rights Movement is still recent history, and Blacks still face a very large amount of discrimination.

"Tolerance" would be a better word."

I would like to bring to reference various programs currently in development by the US which can be considered military research and development
Long range strike family of systems,Coast Guard port security,Next Generation GCV,EELV,ASATS,BMD,PAX, RCOs, the omnipresent drone development, nanosats, nanotech in general, etc.
now to bring up the main contender, China, and their current development
Upgrading post cold-war radar systems, anti-ASATS, non westernized BMD, revitalization of infantry weaponry and armory( notice not upgrade), purchase of used and refurbished russian naval vehicles, aircrafts, and tanks. Nuclear spending is pretty much at a stalemate considering we're both disarming and it's not directly for the purpose of war but more along the lines of equivalent nuclear deterrance.
Onto Industrialization and sustained urbanization - I would like you to look at the most rural area in America and its equivalent in China. Now tell me - which has running water, electricity, a means of instantaneous communications, and modern marketry all within ten miles within all households. On acceptance, alright so we make mistakes. conceded. Now look at what happens to mistakes on acceptance in China - a few thousand Tiananmen dead and countless others empirically disappeared

"army?

american population - 298,444,215 (in 2009)
chinese womans army - 324,701,244 (in 2009)

one emt to cut off technology - and the usa is doomed; so much for your army;

importation sure, but your government prints money from thin air leading to another great depression (i don't mean the 08 depression, i mean the depression that ended in 45) do you know what money is?
money is an iou for commodoties such as gold and silver, held in a secure location - the "iou" you get, is compensation while your wealth is safely elsewhere
printing it from nothing causes mass inflation, more paper then commodoties
= a currency becoming worthless


agriculture, goes to vietnam or china;



racial equality? are you busting my balls?
i went to america, i've never seem more racism in my entire life;
even the media divides people; example? oh i dunno russel peters?
we sit and laugh at differences in america, then when an american gets angry;
those "jokes" in the subconscious get voiced in real anger building situations (tele-vision-programming, you are being told visually the program, ur bein programmed); its not what you say. but how you say it


i'll go with you on corporate profiteering; and aid
on the aid part, america can just print money to give away; have to keep up the image of the hero right? even if we destroyed the nation through war mongering, like say iraq


i'm too tired and drunk to go over the others;

p.s - i know the walled city of kowloon was a bad place,
i wasn't defending it - i was imagining life there before the demolition
i won't argue with you, being led by the triads - it was a bad place, there's no arguing that; it won't stop me from having empathy, being able to put myself in other peoples shoes - the world needs more of that; understanding


not ignorance"


Army size was never an argument. You told me to specify what we were number one at. Alright so more paper then commodities= a currency becoming worthless? No uniqueness to status quo- over thousands of years there have been tonnes and tonnes of paper that came way before modern "commodities" but currency still has worth considering I can still use it to make a decent fire and buy some more commodities. Agriculture: I said exporting. We produce much cheaper rice which is pretty much the singular staple in those countries and we can access a climate for every other facet of agriculture such as fruits and agricultural byproducts used in industry. Never said anything about racial equality so not going to argue about it. You went to America and saw a thought? Cool stuff. I once saw the depravity of the impoverished. I'm being programmed? Meh probably. as for destroying countries - alright. So? If you want to think we're trying to maintain an "image of the hero" thats fine by me if we maintain our hegemony in that side of the world.

No i was fucking with the aussies(prison colonist alpha).

Yes.. every first nation thinks there system or politics are right. Which there no perfect system. Representative or parliamentary. Both are better then what come before, but no best in the general. Canada isn't a monarchy. True Canada, Australia, India, New Zealand, South Africa, Malaysia, Singapore are still under the British monarchy... except the uk isn't a monarchy. The queen controls shit. It's more like a autonomous region except the queen is only a figurehead.

Corporations don't rob people. The people on the board and ceo/cfo/coo are to blame. The manager at walmart isn't making the poor Chinese kids make your ipods for 18 hours.. the people buying the shit to the ceo to the plant is. Corruption is a give and take. You don't buy.. they can't make money. It's a civics thing.

nice try comunist

didn't read my post did you? i will never be a nationalist


i don't like my system (you are disproven) - go back, read my post again

COMBO BREAKER!

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Hahahah. Very funny comrade SOVIETArcher. Even empiric troll attempt at nationalist is nationalist.

You can't read english well. I never called you a nationalist. Try again bob.