Arguing, ignore.

Look, I don't consider you or anyone else any sort of "enemy". Just every time you respond to me it seems as if your calling me or someone else out. It gets a little old. I've known guys who do that and quite honestly it pisses me off. Why not just put in your two cents, and let go at that. By all means contribute whatever you've got to my comments, and if I'm totally wrong let me know. But you could do so in a more respectful manner. I'm not perfect, but I try to keep a certain amount of respect for everyone. I'm kinda new to this thing, these are the first forums I've really posted anything on so I'm still in the process of learning the appropriate ediquette. Maybe I was a little out of line, so I appologise. But with all do respect, you could be a little less stand-offish.

I'm not going to say something cliche like "get over it" but you're going to need thicker skin if you're this easily set off. I'm brash, aggressive and slightly rude but that's my internet persona, my bravado if you will. When i get into an argument with someone I do whatever i can to make them lose their cool and look as clam and collected as I can and it works a majority of the time. I know you want me to posts a certain way, or at least to refrain from posting the more riske posts that I tend to make; but that's me. You have options, you can ignore my shit, you can take it as it's meant (not offensive most of the time), or you can attempt to argue with me but in the end you'll just get aggravated. I'm really not a bad guy, i just don't put up with bullshit, even if i'm the only one who thinks its bullshit. Just read more and lurk moar and you'll get a handle on fakku's flow.

If you don't consider Waar an enemy why are you singling him out? Why don't you and everyone else who has a problem with what he says actually read what he says carefully? If people paid attention more they noticed that a fair amount of the time he pisses people off he's not saying anything anyone else here doesn't say, he's just being more blunt about it. You're right though that he could be more respectful but he clearly is not the kind of person to do so if someone hasn't earned his respect. Many of us do it out of the sake of being polite but that in no way means he's obligated to do so. For the most part I find that he's usually giving advice or commenting along the same lines as everyone else and it confounds me that people are so upset with bluntness. There's a lot more annoying styles of posting here at fakku like excessive ranting or not making any sense. As for "appropriate ediquette" that's pretty much an arbitrary judgment call. If you're not sure something you said is ok, say so or ask later. If you offend someone apologize, it's unlikely anyone here is going to hold a grudge.

FUCK YOU RAMSUS YOU DIRTY WHORE, let's make out l8r ok?

Ok but you have to pay for the plane tickets this time. Don't think I didn't notice you stiffed me (pun intended) last time!

fuck flying, road trip! be there in September...2012...

I'm not trying to tell you to post a certain way, and I'm not loosing my cool. If I was loosing my cool I'd just start firing off insults. I didn't realize people developed some sort of net persona, but the way I interact with people isn't much different from how I do in reality. This kinda gives me a better perspective on where your comming from. Btw, those first few times when I was saying your a dick I was just joking around. I appreciate all the responses you've contributed to the topics I've brought up, it's all been really good points that get me thinking. I think I was just taking a few comments out of context. Right now I'm a little tired (I've been up since 5 this morning). So basically I'm looking to bury the hatchet. I believe the reason we're having these arguments is because your net persona is very similar to my personality. I tend to be blunt and to the point, with a very low tollerance for bullshit. I just happen to take a slightly different approach to my responses to others. Until, of course, someone says something I take the wrong way.

You do bring up a good point. i'm not trying to single him out. He's just the first one to react this way to me. So in a sense he is getting singled out, completely unintentionally. So I do appologise for this, and like I said I didn't realize that people develope a net persona. Yeah, mat come off as a bit naive, but whatever. The point is I'm not holding a grudge, hell by tomarrow I would've forgotten this whole thing until I read some of our posts. In which case I would've appologised.Btw, I usually do read all of what he says.

Well, anyway sorry for the misunderstanding, I'll keep this in mind, and I'm going to sleep now. Catch you guys later.

I know this really isn't my place to butt in, but I think the problem with lots of misunderstandings is due to the fact it's just text. You lack the body language and tone of voice. If someone doesn't know you well, it may come off the wrong way.

I know some of my friends and I have a very harsh sense of humor. He'll call me any white girl name and/or feminist name, and I'll call him any rude name I come up with. But we never get offended, we usually just laugh as we're saying it. You can act like that, but the person has to know you first. Now that I realize you're the type that likes to push peoples buttons and be blunt - I'll keep that in mind next time and not shoot off.

And yes Waar, you're perfectly right. It sets people off *cough* but I don't think there should be enjoyment involved. If you know something will set someone off, why do it?

Although I'm not in any place to chastise someone else for calling someone else out on their BS (hehe), personally I don't understand why everyone thinks Waar is that mean to begin with. Sure he's a little aggressive, but at least he doesn't come off as ignorant or overly prejudiced, which in my opinion is a lot more annoying.

Suggestion for next time? Send him a PM instead of posting a thread in his honor, if someone honestly is "out to get you" that is honestly the worst thing you can do to resolve the problem. Waar is a reasonable person, and I honestly think he would listen to you if you spoke your mind that way instead of calling him out on the carpet. The only reason I didn't do the same in my most recent argument with someone personally on here, was because I very much doubted that they would even listen to me if I sent them a PM.

Well, this was his suggestion. He stated he really doesn't pm unless it's important. I figured this was more along the lines of what he meant. I'm not out to step on anyones's toes. There were a few mutual misunderstandings. I'm not looking for an appology from him or anything. And as far as people thinking he's mean, at least for me, it's because everything he posts seems to be derogatory. It seemed like he's acting like he's so much smarter than everyone else, and that's something that annoys me. I'm not saying I'm some sort of genius, I just get annoyed when it seems someone is talking down to me. Anyway, I believe He's made his point and I've made mine.

Being talked down too is unpleasent I'm sure. But if you're in that situation honestly it's more of a show don't tell thing. With some people, if you want them to not talk down to you, you have to show them why they shouldn't, not just tell them they shouldn't. I know I probably sound arrogant and talk down to people as well, but it's an old habit, and I'll probably never lose it. Generally speaking though people just complaining about it and saying stop doesn't really work, at least for me. If you care enough about his opinion of you, then give him reason to not talk down to you, if you don't, then who cares and simply ignore him or talk down to him too.

There are some people out there that are just born arrogant and assume most people are idiots. Most of those that are like that have probably been given ample reason to believe they are correct in this assumption. I know I have.

Well, I guess I can't just delete...fuck. I changed the title to something a little less direct.

Ok, @ultenth, I'm not trying to tell him to stop talking down to me. I don't think he's intending to talk down to me. I'm saying that's what it seems like. Come to think of it I suggested he pm me on this subject. But he said he'd rather put it up in here.


@Waar, Basically man, you can hate me if you want, I'm used to it. As far as I'm concerned I voiced my opinion. I'm satisfied. If you feel the need to say more feel free.

I'd rather deal with stuff like this in the open, everyone can see the other posts where we got into our disagreement, if we solved the rest of it thought pm's it would probably not be seen/understood by the rest of the community. This post is not only for you and I it's for everyone who feels I may have been too blunt with them.

I would rather you simply keep this topic up if you can, ill reply to it tomorrow when i get up.

Ok, i'm in a little better mindframe to discuss this now. I totally understand what you mean about keeping this in the open. Besides I guess I can't delete it after someone else has posted. I think people are seeing anger where there is none. I'm not getting angry over any of this. It's just as Ziggy said earlier, without the expression of body language or tone of voice it's hard to tell when either of us are joking. I was just voicing my opinion on the matter. And just for the record, where I'm from someone who pushes other people's buttons while trying to maintain their cool is a dick. I honestly don't understand this urge. I don't really have it. I try to be rspectful to everyone. Not any reason in specific, just one human to another. Until, of course, someone prompts me to lose respect for them. Not that I don't respect you. You've managed to keep your cool, and not just fire off insults.

getting upset or losing your cool during any form of argument is lose, you never convince others you're right when that happens; learned that a long time ago from my parents. I just don't understand the need you seem to have (i may be wrong) to try and defend everyone; if I was being an ass to others let them tell me, you yelling (caps lock) in my face about being a dick isn't going to phase me one bit; in fact it spurs me on. I'm not trying to upset people, I simply have an urge to point out thing I believe are wrong or dumb. Not all of my posts are made for mocking others but I am slightly more blunt and perhaps arrogant (possibly with reason) than most here on fakku; but that's my prerogative; you don't have to like it/me.

OK, when I'm "yelling" I'm joking. At least the first time I did anyway, I don't remember if I did another time. As far as this fucking instinct to defend others, it kinda comes instinctively. I guess when someone seems like a "bully" I tend to wanna tell them to stfu. It comes from waaaaaaaay back when I was young. I got used to defending my (physically) weaker friends from those jackasses that love beating up smaller kids. I was always bigger than most people my age. Once again, without the use of body language or tone of voice it's very difficult to tell when either of us are joking. From what I gather you have a rather dry sense of humor as well. So from now on when it seems like your being a dick, I'll just assume your joking.

Oh, it all makes sense now. Waar is Bobby Brown.

sorry for interrupting, continue.

:arrow:

LOL, :shock:

and they don't believe me for being Nate River, *sigh*

Ok, I'll do my best to stay on topic, but I may ramble a little (some buddies and I went to 6th street tonight, I'm a little intoxicated). Alright, I get your whole "net persona" thing. I don't really care what reason you have for being arrogant, you seem to think you deserve to be so who the hell am I to argue? (seriously, I'm not being sarcastic)

I understand you being blunt about things I'm the same way. I don't sugar coat things. But don't get all defensive when someone responds to you the same way you respond to others. I mean, I have the right to speak my mind, or is it some sort of status thing? You can't call "bullshit" on someone without having a certain status? Also I was only defending another once. The other times I was referring to things you specifically said to me....I think. If I forgot another time, sorry. Anyway, the point is I don't back down from anyone, for any reason. Never have, never will. So don't get all defensive if I happen to respond to you the same way you respond to me. If you come at me offensively, I will respond in kind.


btw, if any of this doesn't seem to make sense, just get back with me tomarrow. I'm smoking another ciggarette, and going to bed. And I'm sure all will appreciate me not doing this anymore when I'm drunk.