I'm ϟƘƦƖןןΣ✘ and I Drop the Bass

Welcome to the digital age, now deal with it.

Also, according to Wikipedia:

Music is an art form whose medium is sound and silence.

Also, the other Google definition:

The vocal or instrumental sound produced in this way.

Skrillex should drop the bass and never pick it up again.

Its terrible when today's "music" consists of a noise akin to robots boning each other.

1. It's the nature of the instrument. Since it's the computer, everything you do is automatically recorded.

2. Phrasing. I mean that you only need to do the song once. Because then it's recorded and can be played at the push of a button. Your work is done.



With traditional instruments, the people are actually watching them play. They're performing.

You can't perform live with that genre. None of the more complex songs, anyways- because a guy's only got two hands. So two keyboards... about 5 tracks maximum- including one stock track playing independently. Even less live performance and more stock tracks if he's performing with a turntable.

It's less real- if you get what I mean.



The song is made. By nature of the instrument- any song they make exists digitally. And can only ever exist in that medium.

As such, anyone with a copy of that song can play it and pass it off as their own. Because the actual "performance" is the hours spent composing and mixing it at home in their studio.

If your song ever plays on the radio, you can't ever prove that it's you. Can't take your instrument and start playing. Can't take the instrument around and just jam on the street.



My argument is that it's better because there is a more human element to it, and that I prefer people to machines.

The only skill required for the techno stuff is a good ear.

A musician on a guitar or piano or drum needs a good ear, but also needs the skill to play the instrument.



When I studied ancient history back in college, it was the oldest one known. My knowledge in the area is circa 2006.




I'm arguing that music without computers is better than music with. Feel free to join in.

I'm not gonna talk about the un bolded part. I'm just gonna focus on the bolded part.

1. It's YOU who don't hear anything instrumental, beautiful, etc etc. Therefore, an opinion.
2. It does not have to be appreciated, but it's common sense.

Let me throw this back at you. You and your bands create music with all the hardwork, and no one appreciates it. How would you feel? Same goes at Skrillex, Knife Party, etc. Maybe, they just grew up not giving a single fuck, since they are already famous anyway.

And, don't even dare thinking that what they are doing is not hard. You and your band aren't the only ones who try hard, they do too.

Whups. Missed this.



Yes, but they wouldn't have needed drum machines had they drummers.

Also- as Devs and have I agreed on- you absolutely need a computer for this genre, because the computer is also the instrument.

So- the discussion is twofold:

The overt reliance on computers for this genre, and-

The value of the computer as an instrument- should we want to add that aspect to this debacle.



This conversation has been fairly civil thus far.

I wasn't referring to this one. It has been really civil compared to others on this site as well as others. I just mean generally on sites like 4Chan, Reddit and YouTube. You get people insulting each other and shit and it all goes downhill.

Actually, we wouldn't care all that much if we didn't. I wouldn;t at least. I create music to express myself; what I feel and what I want to say when I can't find the words to say. If no one hears it, no problem for me. Yeah, I'm weird like that.

And quite frankly, yes, I do think we have to work harder, at least to get even half the recognition he gets. Put it simply, Skrillex has himself to compose the music, some meme to sample from, his agents to book shows, his record company deals with finances. You know how most bands in Bangladesh have to do all those? By themselves. All the time. We have to find our own shows; we have to pay to get practice times, we have to take time off our normally busy lives just to do what we love most. Yeah, I'm sure they try hard, but it's still relative in my opinion.

You have got most of the points right, I agree with you, but yet, from what I concluded, we both missed on my points here. Indeed, relatively, music without computers is better, but that does not give any rights to those that believe so to look down on music with computers.

If I am not mistaken, you're here just showing your dislike towards dubstep without really trying to look down as if the the worst thing there is in the world. Bearded did a bit of trolling on his side though, but his points do makes sense a lot.

It's been a pleasure discussing things with you. While I agree with you on this regard, I still assume dubstep still deserve credit for entertaining people on its own way and their effort.


@ART: Put it simply, since we're talking about Skrillex here, he has done his bit in getting himself recognized in music industries thanks to From First To Last. That played a role in getting Skrillex famous as it is now. If we're talking about luck, then I personally think he has a bigger luck than you do, and that isn't really anything much you or I can do to improve luck.

But, it's not my point. Again, my point is, give the credit he deserves when it's due.

Twas a good discussion, and you caught me red-handed.

Heh. Never said it didn't.

All forms of music have their worth and merit, I just personally believe that other forms of music are a little higher up on the scale.

Or perhaps just different in essence.

Rock, Jazz, etc. = Good musicians.

Dubstep, Techno. = Good mixers.


And with that, now I lay me down to sleep- because I am full of rum and am getting rather drowsy.

'Night.

It's not they didn't have drummers; they got rid of them in favor of drum machines.

Dicks, dicks, dicks.

hohoho....

Saw this and the first thing I thought of was this thread.

I'm a metalhead, and i like dubstep. Heres a song.

From what I understand, and this kind of makes sense, brostep (Skrillex, Excision, others like these bands) is more aggressive than other forms of EDM and has more appeal to metalheads.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dubstep#Brostep_and_American_developments

It's not just dubstep, i like a bunch of different types of EDM. House, Trance, DnB, etc. Though i must admit, the heaviness is part of what i enjoy about dubstep.

I'm the same way; just pointing something out about metalheads and dubstep (brostep).