In which two dudes experience labor

That was disgusting. And immature.
And I'm ashamed to say that the last bit made me laugh. But only slightly.

Cause I'm a lady.

Well she's all you'd ever want,
She's the kind they'd like to flaunt and take to dinner.
Well she always knows her place.
She's got style, she's got grace, She's a winner.
She's a Lady. Whoa whoa whoa, She's a Lady.

Gawsh, that was mean.

I don't really have a doctorate in sensitivity.

yep labor pains sure are excruciatingly painful
but it only takes about several hours (days for some,poor women)
but those aren't the only pains women go though


seeing those guys, a bit of a smile curled up on my lips tho

I actually didn't feel attacked by you at all. You're actually significantly less abrasive than some here. O_o

Also, the root of the argument between Echo and I was 'If it hurts, why do women have more kids/sex after kids?' Which felt... almost like he was trying to say it didn't hurt, because that was self-evident by multiple-child families or something. I'm sure that's not what he actually meant, but that's how it came off.

As a third party, mutual misunderstanding was evident.

Ultimately the both of you going off assumption: Echo can't get pregnant and you haven't yet, nor do you plan to.


Unless we get firsthand accounts from several someones to lay the discussion to rest, we shall forever be taking wild stabs in the dark.

But.. this is common knowledge. O_o

Childbirth is strenuous, yes- but your wording is a little dramatic.


Give birth before you tell us what it's like. Experience trumps babble.


Will a guy who wins Call of Duty tourneys be able to tell you what warfare is like?

Bull-fucking-shit.


Will your grandpa be able to tell you what war is like?

Provided his mind is still there- yes.

So... literally any statistics or personal accounts from the millions of mothers combined will never be valid unless I personally give birth? Each experience is subjective to the individual, I was generalizing over the collective.

It is exactly because each experience is unique to the individual that I say that.

Very well. I will accept that.

jeez.
can't sleep I kinda don't want to leave the conflict on this thread unresolved.
[size=3]having experienced pregnancy four times and and also having those TENS electrodes connected being used on me since I was thirteen[/h]
was having second thoughts because thread is in IB but discussion is pretty serious.


still glad you guys resolved it anyways

now back to laughing at those guys for their futile attempts of punishing themselves

You never considered that the drop-off in sex is most likely due to the fact that they - I dunno - have a fucking KID now? I mean, taking care of a newborn is extremely hard work, and when you're exhausted all the time you're not exactly up for sex. Also, it's a hugely monumental thing that changes pretty much everything about your day-to-day life. Rather then it just being you and your partner, it is you, your partner, and your baby. I think that has more to do with it then "Oh my gods, she isn't as TIGHT anymore!"

There are other nice things about sex besides the tightness - there's the wetness, the warmth, and the feeling of togetherness as well. She might not ever be as tight as she was before, but there's also things she can do about that BESIDES surgery. Like, I don't know, kegel exercises? Just a thought. Also, she can use her mouth and ass to enhance the sexual experience too. At the end of the day, she's still the same woman. To suggest that she is "ruined", because she had a baby is horrifically offensive.

I've heard men talk about how much new found respect they have for their wives, how grateful they are that she carried his child and gave birth to it - which is something that only a woman can do, how she is an infinitely strong and beautiful person, and how they actually feel more love for their wives after they've given birth then they did before. Ultimately, having a child should bring a couple closer together and not further apart!

And then there is to consider that most women have a child in their late twenties and early thirties, and a woman doesn't reach her sexual prime until she is forty years old!

1. We weren't discussing anything except sex being painful after childbirth. O_o Which.. it is. No one ever argued that the dropoff in sex had only those factors. I find it odd you attacked one specific thing and formed an argument around it, when the argument was actually about something else entirely. That was one of the [much] lesser things being discussed - and largely having to do more with a reason a woman may feel insecure post-baby. It doesn't help that the whole "Women are ruined" thing gets blared in the media all the damn time. It's also, let's be honest, a little traumatic for a man to watch a morphous, viscera-covered head rend its way forth from your wife's vagina. All at once a guy is going to feel a lot of things - for one thing, it's a little gross. for another, your wife is howling in agony, and another, you are overwhelmed by now being a father. Unless you're not truly committed to this person, in which case... panic at newfound responsibility and the awareness that like it or not, you're stuck with these two humans, for the rest of your life.

2. A great many reasons attribute to the dropoff in sex life, not just the newfound parenthood - also hormonal changes that lead to dryness, a lot of women experience insecurity, or some of them fall so in love with their kids that motherhood takes precedence for a while.

3. I specifically stated in my previous posts that relationship dynamics change after childbirth - in most cases, the dynamic changes in a more favorable light. But the fact remains that the light, sex-crazy, responsibility-free phase is over, you're parents now and while there's a tighter sense of commitment and partnership, it's a common theme that's blared everywhere that men feel like the 'sexy carefree' phase is over. There's good and bad. Most decent guys will focus more on the good, but it doesn't change the fact that the dynamic itself changes.

4. I never said a woman is ruined. I said a lot of women can feel that way. Some extremely insensitive men can attribute to that, as well. I was expressing that besides the physical pain of childbirth, women go through a lot of emotional changes.

5. Both women and men have more than one sexual prime. Women experience more - in their teens, their twenties, and on into their middle age. Physically speaking, women are at their fertile peak in their twenties - thirty and onward, your ovum decline.

Actually vagina's don't stay the same, there is something called an episiotomy, is where the litterally cut a part of vagina to help the baby out, after that many women don't feel the same down there, especially if you give multiple births, sex can end up being the most painful thing out there or you won't feel anything anymore because you're so loose after