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Who deserves love?
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SneeakyAsian
CTFG Vanguard
[11/25/2014 5:48:32 PM] Kyum: Does everyone deserve love?
[11/25/2014 5:48:42 PM] Ultimate University Level Powernapper: most do
[11/25/2014 5:49:19 PM] Kyum: Then who doesn't?
[11/25/2014 5:48:42 PM] Ultimate University Level Powernapper: most do
[11/25/2014 5:49:19 PM] Kyum: Then who doesn't?
[color=#993300]What side do you take with this question? If not everyone does, who doesn't deserve love?
I understand that the definition of love can be taken multiple ways. This was initially focused on the romantic love, but affectionate love can be written about as well.
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There is no objective answer to this, only subjective.
Some might immediately ask "Does Adolf Hitler, Ted Bundy, Saddam Hussein, a ISIS Terrorist deserve love?" and the obvious answer to those all is: "Maybe not in your opinion, but all of those people either were loved or are being loved by some".
Another thing that comes to mind is does a person who is narcist / egocentric / doesn't give any love back, does a person like that deserve love? I would say the same thing to that, for sure there are some people who, weirdly enough, love a person like that. (Why there are so many women who don't leave their abusive husbands / boyfriends?)
Last thing i could add is that very likely 98% of planet earths mothers, if not even more, love their children unconditionally, they may hate the things they do or have done, or what their child has become (like a pedophile, murderer, terrorist), but still love them as their own child.
Some might immediately ask "Does Adolf Hitler, Ted Bundy, Saddam Hussein, a ISIS Terrorist deserve love?" and the obvious answer to those all is: "Maybe not in your opinion, but all of those people either were loved or are being loved by some".
Another thing that comes to mind is does a person who is narcist / egocentric / doesn't give any love back, does a person like that deserve love? I would say the same thing to that, for sure there are some people who, weirdly enough, love a person like that. (Why there are so many women who don't leave their abusive husbands / boyfriends?)
Last thing i could add is that very likely 98% of planet earths mothers, if not even more, love their children unconditionally, they may hate the things they do or have done, or what their child has become (like a pedophile, murderer, terrorist), but still love them as their own child.
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Misaki_Chi
Fakku Nurse
I think I look at this more as "will you allow yourself to love?" verses who do I think deserves love.
Sure I can think an asshole that beats women shouldn't have love, but the beauty of being human is our ability to change. Mind you it would take a lot of work to fix being an asshole (you would also want to change), but it's only a subjective optinion of one person to say who should or shouldn't have love in their life.
I'm also a person who believes anyone can find love if they work for it. I know there is the whole survival of the fittest where not every person can have a partner, but I still see that as a cop-out for people to some degree. Nothing is 100% set in stone and if you don't try, then nothing shall be gained. I can understand a person feeling down after getting rejected, but to wallow in your own self pity for a long time does no good for anyone, especially yourself.
I know I have some things going for me personally, but I also have some issues (pretty bad ones sometimes), but I was never afraid of love and what it had to hold. I felt that if I found someone then that's great, but if not at least I tried. I got hurt pretty bad a long the way and did some stupid things on the side, but in the end found a man that really loves me for who I am as well as my flaws. Our relationship isn't perfect, but we have a good foundation to start out on so it's a work in progress for both of us.
summary: I think anyone can have love if they work for it. Some people may not find a life partner or maybe they will, but love in essence comes in all shapes and sizes. I think a good example of love is in the manga Oyasumi Punpun. His life is fucked up, but it ends well enough for him (not going to spoil anything, just read it lol). I know even without a lover, I will find love in those who are willing to give it and I will do the same. I also love myself (hard sometimes, but I know I do) so I can stand on my own two feet and survive the day.
Sure I can think an asshole that beats women shouldn't have love, but the beauty of being human is our ability to change. Mind you it would take a lot of work to fix being an asshole (you would also want to change), but it's only a subjective optinion of one person to say who should or shouldn't have love in their life.
I'm also a person who believes anyone can find love if they work for it. I know there is the whole survival of the fittest where not every person can have a partner, but I still see that as a cop-out for people to some degree. Nothing is 100% set in stone and if you don't try, then nothing shall be gained. I can understand a person feeling down after getting rejected, but to wallow in your own self pity for a long time does no good for anyone, especially yourself.
I know I have some things going for me personally, but I also have some issues (pretty bad ones sometimes), but I was never afraid of love and what it had to hold. I felt that if I found someone then that's great, but if not at least I tried. I got hurt pretty bad a long the way and did some stupid things on the side, but in the end found a man that really loves me for who I am as well as my flaws. Our relationship isn't perfect, but we have a good foundation to start out on so it's a work in progress for both of us.
summary: I think anyone can have love if they work for it. Some people may not find a life partner or maybe they will, but love in essence comes in all shapes and sizes. I think a good example of love is in the manga Oyasumi Punpun. His life is fucked up, but it ends well enough for him (not going to spoil anything, just read it lol). I know even without a lover, I will find love in those who are willing to give it and I will do the same. I also love myself (hard sometimes, but I know I do) so I can stand on my own two feet and survive the day.
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W.O.C183
always fapping
The four kinds of love (Eros, Philos, Storgae, Agape) is a universal tool of connection between people on all three levels (physical, mental and spiritual). A being can't survive without any of these connections (there might be an experiment to cite here somewhere, but the print itself is hard to find due to the unethical nature of the study, basically a baby will still die even if provided with nourishment when there are no interactions and connections available). So every being deserves some form of the above mentioned love to survive, whether its from their sexualities, their comrades, their mother, or just a kind soul whos loves everything.
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tuengo183 wrote...
The four kinds of love (Eros, Philos, Storgae, Agape) is a universal tool of connection between people on all three levels (physical, mental and spiritual). A being can't survive without any of these connections (there might be an experiment to cite here somewhere, but the print itself is hard to find due to the unethical nature of the study, basically a baby will still die even if provided with nourishment when there are no interactions and connections available). So every being deserves some form of the above mentioned love to survive, whether its from their sexualities, their comrades, their mother, or just a kind soul whos loves everything.This is what I wanted to say. It's not a question of whether a person deserves love. The real question would be: can a person live without love. I believe there are 4 things that all humans need in order to survive: Water, Food, Shelter, and Love. If there was only one person on the planet with Water, Food, and Shelter but no Love, he or she will not survive.
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I don't think anyone deserves romantic love, but a lot of people seem to think they do (hence the idea of the friendzone).
Yeah it sucks women don't like me but I am not entitled to their desires because I am a man, I'm fucking nuts, I know why they won't date me.
It's life, life sucks, one needs to accept their place and live as best they can.
Yeah it sucks women don't like me but I am not entitled to their desires because I am a man, I'm fucking nuts, I know why they won't date me.
It's life, life sucks, one needs to accept their place and live as best they can.
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Deserve means you have the right and/or you've won it.
I think everyone have the right to love and be loved. Now, when you have the right to love and being loved, that doesn't mean we're going always love and being loved. You need to feel the emotion of love to love, and you need to generate that emotion on others to be loved.
Usually the wording "deserve love" comes more from lack of self stem rather than anything else: "I suck, thus I don't deserve to be loved". Love is a case by case thing, because it's an emotion, it isn't "systematic". Though, some people also use "deserve love" in the mean that some people are a way too nice to stay single. I don't like that, why? What's wrong with staying single? It's cancer or something? Friendship doesn't exists, nor family, nor companionship? I think it's completely fine, I don't think nobody "deserves loves for being too nice", that sounds silly for me.
Finally some thinks that criminals and others doesn't deserve love because "they are bad company". Again, love is a case by case thing, I feel annoyed by the fact that people generalize so much about something that's so diverse to make minimally decent generalizations in the first place, and even if it were possible, it's mean and incorrect, at least for me, as it's case by case thing.
I think everyone have the right to love and be loved. Now, when you have the right to love and being loved, that doesn't mean we're going always love and being loved. You need to feel the emotion of love to love, and you need to generate that emotion on others to be loved.
Usually the wording "deserve love" comes more from lack of self stem rather than anything else: "I suck, thus I don't deserve to be loved". Love is a case by case thing, because it's an emotion, it isn't "systematic". Though, some people also use "deserve love" in the mean that some people are a way too nice to stay single. I don't like that, why? What's wrong with staying single? It's cancer or something? Friendship doesn't exists, nor family, nor companionship? I think it's completely fine, I don't think nobody "deserves loves for being too nice", that sounds silly for me.
Finally some thinks that criminals and others doesn't deserve love because "they are bad company". Again, love is a case by case thing, I feel annoyed by the fact that people generalize so much about something that's so diverse to make minimally decent generalizations in the first place, and even if it were possible, it's mean and incorrect, at least for me, as it's case by case thing.
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animefreak_usa
Child of Samael
Since people love my emotionless reactions and ideas on love earlier...
Love is a chemical imbalance that can be induce by chocolate and dopamine. It doesn't change the feelings but i realize that love is a myth and we grasp at straws just to feel it. I feel content with my family but alast im just a logical man with no way to feel those intense emotions. It the way i can deal with my bi polar emotions is by analyze them, Only hold true to me and no one else.
warning science at work
animefreak_usa wrote...
Love is a chemical imbalance that can be induce by chocolate and dopamine. It doesn't change the feelings but i realize that love is a myth and we grasp at straws just to feel it. I feel content with my family but alast im just a logical man with no way to feel those intense emotions. It the way i can deal with my bi polar emotions is by analyze them, Only hold true to me and no one else.
warning science at work
Spoiler:
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animefreak_usa wrote...
Since people love my emotionless reactions and ideas on love earlier...animefreak_usa wrote...
Love is a chemical imbalance that can be induce by chocolate and dopamine. It doesn't change the feelings but i realize that love is a myth and we grasp at straws just to feel it. I feel content with my family but alast im just a logical man with no way to feel those intense emotions. It the way i can deal with my bi polar emotions is by analyze them, Only hold true to me and no one else.
warning science at work
Spoiler:
Spoiler:
People is too obsessed with attraction and romanticism because most people feels lonely in the first place. Most people lacks interest and motivations without the incentive emotions (and while emotions are on conflict, stronger ones like sexual arousal wins most the time), so real friendships, loving-caring families and community support are rare. Thus a lot of people finds that their unique way to tackle loneliness is by having partners. And yeah, humans are instinctively social, so they hate loneliness (aside extremely rare cases). Or that's my theory, at least.
Animals (including Humans) doesn't enjoy thinking most the time, so they allow to be carried away by their innate interests (generated by emotions that are generated by chemicals that are partly generated by quick thinking) most the time, too.
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iMuse wrote...
Do you believe in life after love?Do you believe in love?
Do you believe it's true?
Do you believe in love?
Oh, you can bet I believe it too
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FinalBoss
#levelupyourgrind
Many people do bad things, but I don't think that means they don't deserve love. Sure, they deserve punishment, but that's a different matter. Love is important to have in society and lack of it is what creates monsters in the first place.
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deadsx wrote...
What is Love?BABY DONT HURT ME DONT HURT ME
Sorry.
I think yes everyone does. And even people who abuse their lover, there are people who want to be abused. No matter what kind of person there is, someone fits to them enough to make it work. Even if the chances arent high, meeting someone like that still is something everyone should be lucky enough to do.
"Love" is something everyone should have atleast once in their life and everyone should be allowed to feel love.
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Masayoshiii
Gone
I deserve no love, I'm a horrible, evil, pathetic excuse for a human.
[size=10]Not emo though, it's actually the truth.[/h]
[size=1]Once, I fucked my brother's girlfriend because she was drunk and horny. Needless to say he was pissed and they broke up. He later forgave me, but I'm not such a good person that the forgiveness I received would prevent me from doing something like that again. I'm a real scumbag. I also stole my best friend's girlfriend away and fucked his current fiance while they were dating. Yup, definitely scum.[/h]
[size=10]Not emo though, it's actually the truth.[/h]
[size=1]Once, I fucked my brother's girlfriend because she was drunk and horny. Needless to say he was pissed and they broke up. He later forgave me, but I'm not such a good person that the forgiveness I received would prevent me from doing something like that again. I'm a real scumbag. I also stole my best friend's girlfriend away and fucked his current fiance while they were dating. Yup, definitely scum.[/h]
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Misaki_Chi
Fakku Nurse
Mummel wrote...
And even people who abuse their lover, there are people who want to be abused. No matter what kind of person there is, someone fits to them enough to make it work. Even if the chances arent high, meeting someone like that still is something everyone should be lucky enough to do.This is poorly worded. A person never truly want's to be abused and those that do should seek counseling. There are those that may be very masochistic and love more extreme forms of physical punishment (hot wax, cigarette burns, choke holds, whips), but this type of play (if done properly) is very controlled and involve safe words. I know I love being a masochistic and having my man do what he wants as rough as I can handle (maybe even a little more over my own limits), but when I have to go to the hospital over the shit he's done (would have to be on purpose, not an accident) then we have issues... or he'll be six feet under lol.
People that truly enjoy abusing other's may or may not get sexual satisfaction from their abuse. Regardless if they are smacking the shit out of their partner and their partner is dealing with hefty medical bills as a result, then the abuser in the relationship needs help. In this type of relationship you are not truly loving your partner, you love possessing a person or are in love with abusing another (doesn't matter who sometimes).
Also plays into the notion of "fantasy rape". I love my hardcore genre's personally, but if anyone forced themselves on me without consent or shit/pissed on me I would probably stick a heel through their testicle. Some people don't see the distinction between fantasy and reality and may believe that they want to be raped. The very small percentage that really do are playing with fire because you can end up in fucked up situations or even dead from such risky behavior.
I just think personally that it's okay to enjoy what you read and watch, but you need to explore the boundaries on what you want to do with things such as BDSM, S&M, etc (and with someone you trust) to really know what it is you want. Don't just find a man that likes to hit women just because you like to get hit, you may end up dead.
No Loli No Life wrote...
I deserve no love, I'm a horrible, evil, pathetic excuse for a human.[size=10]Not emo though, it's actually the truth.[/h]
[size=1]Once, I fucked my brother's girlfriend because she was drunk and horny. Needless to say he was pissed and they broke up. He later forgave me, but I'm not such a good person that the forgiveness I received would prevent me from doing something like that again. I'm a real scumbag. I also stole my best friend's girlfriend away and fucked his current fiance while they were dating. Yup, definitely scum.[/h]
Just be who you are or change, it's really that simple. Continuing to call yourself scum and even if you are or others say it, why do you have to keep repeating it? We get that you fucked your brother's girlfriend and I think you took advantage of another situation (though idc enough to look for it), so just enjoy no one beat the shit out of you and move on.
People that call themselves scum will continue to be scum because they already have it in their minds that they will never change. People have the ability to change and do it everyday, but you have to work at it. If you don't want to though then just be yourself, no one has to like it or force you to change. Makes life easier in some aspects to not screw people over (literally), but it's your life. I just don't see the point in continuing to write about how you're such scum and what you did to become it, personally see it as wasted energy.
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Holoofyoistu
The Messenger
i think everyone shoud deserve love unconditionally, unless they do somthing to lose it. similar to my view on respect.
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Everyone deserves a little bit of love, or at least to know what it's like to feel loved, though if they lose the love of others through their own actions, then they must be the ones to fix it, lest they lose that love forever and will be forced to move on and make their own... Which is usually difficult.
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SneeakyAsian
CTFG Vanguard
[color=#993300]Ah, this is good, so much reading to do now. I was wondering where the thread went.
But personally, I believe each person deserves some sort of affection in life. The lack of it (or understanding) is really the source of evil.
But personally, I believe each person deserves some sort of affection in life. The lack of it (or understanding) is really the source of evil.