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Hi guys and girls.
I would like to ask few questions/advices (you don't have to absolutely answer each point, it's more a way to induce/trigger reflection) :
1°) About some concepts :
2°) About vocabulary :
3°) Would you fap on one/several of those orientations above ?
4°) Would you agree/seek for a real-life relationship with and without sexual intercourse with one/several of those orientations above ?
This thread is not about surveying anything. Just to discuss about what I feel to be "unstable" concepts and the way to interact with "borderline"/"crossing-line" people.
Any help/advice/opinion or even questions is welcome as long as it's related and respectfully worded :)
Thank you.
I would like to ask few questions/advices (you don't have to absolutely answer each point, it's more a way to induce/trigger reflection) :
1°) About some concepts :
- In your opinion, what define a manly behavior ?
- In your opinion, what define a womanly behavior ?
- In your opinion, what define an unisex behavior ?
2°) About vocabulary :
- How would you call females behaving innately manly and seeking only for straight/heterosexual intercourse ?
- How would you call males behaving innately womanly and seeking only for straight/heterosexual intercourse ?
- How would you call females behaving innately unisex and seeking only straight/heterosexual intercourse ? Same about males.
- How would you call males behaving innately unisex and seeking only straight/heterosexual intercourse ?
3°) Would you fap on one/several of those orientations above ?
4°) Would you agree/seek for a real-life relationship with and without sexual intercourse with one/several of those orientations above ?
This thread is not about surveying anything. Just to discuss about what I feel to be "unstable" concepts and the way to interact with "borderline"/"crossing-line" people.
Any help/advice/opinion or even questions is welcome as long as it's related and respectfully worded :)
Thank you.
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Misaki_Chi
Fakku Nurse
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 Manly behavior is when you act in a way that is traditionally seen as more “male” in comparison to “female”. What is considered manly depends on the persons and/or society norms for female and male behavior/mannerisms.
 Some things that come to mind when you think “manly” behavior is taking charge or being the leader in a sense, acting in a way that is perceived as less then feminine and more masculine. This can relate to clothing choices, choice in activities, manner of speaking, etc. Strength can sometimes be related to manliness whether it is physical or mental. The stronger the individual the more masculine or less feminine they can be perceived.
 Keep in mind none of this is to be taken as “this is what a man is and being these things makes you less of a woman”. These are just key things related to the term manly, but all of this is based upon perception and norms/traditions/stereotypes, not to be taken seriously or as factual.
 Womanly would be the opposite of manly in this instance and again depends on the persons and/or society norms for female and male behavior/mannerisms.
 Some things that come to mind when you think “womanly” behaviors include physical features such as curves breasts and hips). These are staple features of what is considered a “woman” in comparison to a “man”. Behaviors include virtues such as compassion, sensitivity, nurturing. The idea on being womanly is that you are not viewed based on strength rather as I said based on physique and virtue.
 As I said in the first part what I have discussed is based more on stereotypes rather then what is actually out there in the real world. Just because you don’t have these traits or act in this way doesn't make you any less of a woman. These are stereotypes for a reason.
 Unisex behavior is when you identify with neither of the two stereotypes/gender behaviors listed above and act in a way that cannot be classified as just “male” or “female” in behavior. Basically look at it as being yourself, you strive to be neither a male and you do not push to be a female and promote those qualities/characteristics associated with it. For instance if you are a woman, the stereotype is “a woman wears pink and a man wears blue”. Instead of going for blue or pink you go for yellow or green. Not the best example I know, but basically you choose to remain neutral on any sort of stereotypes related to what is male and female based behaviors and go into a more neutral territory.
 Some people take it a step further and will mix up both traits to be a mix of both male and female. So basically if it is “manly” behavior to go to the bar and drink a bear eating wings and watching the football game then why can’t a woman do that to? A unisex person would do just that not even giving a thought to the stereotype set in place by societal norms.
 In most first world countries people are mixes of things rather than being just “manly” or “womanly”.
2.
I think when you look at any of these types of people (aka a more masculine woman, a more feminine man or a unisex person regardless of them being male nor female) you cannot just identify them as “XXX”. Every human being is unique in their own way and even with what is considered “the norm”, that doesn’t mean that people will and have to follow that way of thinking. There is nothing wrong with a woman being more masculine and wanting to have a hetero relationship, same as with a man who is more feminine wanting the same thing for themselves. It takes the right person to be open to accepting of these characteristics and it can happen. I would feel wrong with identifying a person as something when they are just being themselves and are human so I’m going to refrain from labeling here, there’s no point.
3. & 4.
Personally I prefer a more masculine man predominantly because it is something I feel I am attracted to. I have dated more feminine men and I see nothing wrong with it personally, but I am more feminine personally so the two personalities conflict when together so it is a better match to my own characteristics to have someone less feminine.
In the end I wouldn't say I would seek out anyone of a specific orientation, I just interact with people and who I am attracted to I am attracted to. Other than that can’t really say if the person I’ll come to care for is more or less then what they are, but I know I just prefer a more manly man myself. I've known of relationships where a woman took on more of a dominant role that could be perceived as manly and the guy took on a more submissive role that could be perceived as womanly, but again these are just stereotypes so to say that they are different isn't to say they are wrong.
 Manly behavior is when you act in a way that is traditionally seen as more “male” in comparison to “female”. What is considered manly depends on the persons and/or society norms for female and male behavior/mannerisms.
 Some things that come to mind when you think “manly” behavior is taking charge or being the leader in a sense, acting in a way that is perceived as less then feminine and more masculine. This can relate to clothing choices, choice in activities, manner of speaking, etc. Strength can sometimes be related to manliness whether it is physical or mental. The stronger the individual the more masculine or less feminine they can be perceived.
 Keep in mind none of this is to be taken as “this is what a man is and being these things makes you less of a woman”. These are just key things related to the term manly, but all of this is based upon perception and norms/traditions/stereotypes, not to be taken seriously or as factual.
 Womanly would be the opposite of manly in this instance and again depends on the persons and/or society norms for female and male behavior/mannerisms.
 Some things that come to mind when you think “womanly” behaviors include physical features such as curves breasts and hips). These are staple features of what is considered a “woman” in comparison to a “man”. Behaviors include virtues such as compassion, sensitivity, nurturing. The idea on being womanly is that you are not viewed based on strength rather as I said based on physique and virtue.
 As I said in the first part what I have discussed is based more on stereotypes rather then what is actually out there in the real world. Just because you don’t have these traits or act in this way doesn't make you any less of a woman. These are stereotypes for a reason.
 Unisex behavior is when you identify with neither of the two stereotypes/gender behaviors listed above and act in a way that cannot be classified as just “male” or “female” in behavior. Basically look at it as being yourself, you strive to be neither a male and you do not push to be a female and promote those qualities/characteristics associated with it. For instance if you are a woman, the stereotype is “a woman wears pink and a man wears blue”. Instead of going for blue or pink you go for yellow or green. Not the best example I know, but basically you choose to remain neutral on any sort of stereotypes related to what is male and female based behaviors and go into a more neutral territory.
 Some people take it a step further and will mix up both traits to be a mix of both male and female. So basically if it is “manly” behavior to go to the bar and drink a bear eating wings and watching the football game then why can’t a woman do that to? A unisex person would do just that not even giving a thought to the stereotype set in place by societal norms.
 In most first world countries people are mixes of things rather than being just “manly” or “womanly”.
2.
I think when you look at any of these types of people (aka a more masculine woman, a more feminine man or a unisex person regardless of them being male nor female) you cannot just identify them as “XXX”. Every human being is unique in their own way and even with what is considered “the norm”, that doesn’t mean that people will and have to follow that way of thinking. There is nothing wrong with a woman being more masculine and wanting to have a hetero relationship, same as with a man who is more feminine wanting the same thing for themselves. It takes the right person to be open to accepting of these characteristics and it can happen. I would feel wrong with identifying a person as something when they are just being themselves and are human so I’m going to refrain from labeling here, there’s no point.
3. & 4.
Personally I prefer a more masculine man predominantly because it is something I feel I am attracted to. I have dated more feminine men and I see nothing wrong with it personally, but I am more feminine personally so the two personalities conflict when together so it is a better match to my own characteristics to have someone less feminine.
In the end I wouldn't say I would seek out anyone of a specific orientation, I just interact with people and who I am attracted to I am attracted to. Other than that can’t really say if the person I’ll come to care for is more or less then what they are, but I know I just prefer a more manly man myself. I've known of relationships where a woman took on more of a dominant role that could be perceived as manly and the guy took on a more submissive role that could be perceived as womanly, but again these are just stereotypes so to say that they are different isn't to say they are wrong.
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Thank you for such long answer :)
Indeed your point of view is rather balanced. But you avoid speaking about stereotypes. Yet I rather want to know if there are such stereotypes or if, for now, there're somehow "lacking".
Not that stereotypes are the "best" thing we might encounter whend socially interacting. But in a way, I think it tells a lot about what is going on in this or that society/country/group/etc. For example, traps (males acting womanly) are probably one of those possible stereotypes -- at least on Fakku, they're not bound to be only yaoi materials. I just wonder whether online or in real life, such stereotypes bear any "appellation" or if they exist strictly online through hentai -- maybe also in real life for Japan ?
About unisex behavior, I feel that for some societies, exists no such "class". In the others, I wonder whether it would be just a way to accept slightly womanly males and slightly manly females, or that there would be things not "sexually" attributed. As for very manly women, people tend to classify them as lesbian "he-females". The "same" for very womanly men.
As for personal relationships, I'm not girly and most of people tend to classify me between "female with gay/male brain" and steady straight tomboy. Should I become a male (I don't wish), I would go for being gay. But if people ask me, I'm just an "unisexual" straight person. Yet I regularly feel misunderstood or discriminate for not matching this or that stereotype -- mostly, several people come "reproach" me to not behave/dress/think womanly.
Moreover, I have a fetish for heterosexual tomboys going with manly males =^^= But if it's even just a girl not strictly "manly", just some not "girly" girl, it tends to pass better than with girly girls plots, whatever femdom or submissive etc.
I feel, aside Japan Korea and all, like there might be a lack of "societal" conventions around such borderline/crossing-line people -- what dumbfound me since for example Lara Croft is/was this popular.
Indeed your point of view is rather balanced. But you avoid speaking about stereotypes. Yet I rather want to know if there are such stereotypes or if, for now, there're somehow "lacking".
Not that stereotypes are the "best" thing we might encounter whend socially interacting. But in a way, I think it tells a lot about what is going on in this or that society/country/group/etc. For example, traps (males acting womanly) are probably one of those possible stereotypes -- at least on Fakku, they're not bound to be only yaoi materials. I just wonder whether online or in real life, such stereotypes bear any "appellation" or if they exist strictly online through hentai -- maybe also in real life for Japan ?
About unisex behavior, I feel that for some societies, exists no such "class". In the others, I wonder whether it would be just a way to accept slightly womanly males and slightly manly females, or that there would be things not "sexually" attributed. As for very manly women, people tend to classify them as lesbian "he-females". The "same" for very womanly men.
As for personal relationships, I'm not girly and most of people tend to classify me between "female with gay/male brain" and steady straight tomboy. Should I become a male (I don't wish), I would go for being gay. But if people ask me, I'm just an "unisexual" straight person. Yet I regularly feel misunderstood or discriminate for not matching this or that stereotype -- mostly, several people come "reproach" me to not behave/dress/think womanly.
Moreover, I have a fetish for heterosexual tomboys going with manly males =^^= But if it's even just a girl not strictly "manly", just some not "girly" girl, it tends to pass better than with girly girls plots, whatever femdom or submissive etc.
I feel, aside Japan Korea and all, like there might be a lack of "societal" conventions around such borderline/crossing-line people -- what dumbfound me since for example Lara Croft is/was this popular.
