is it a beginning of WWIII?

How do you think is the war in eastern Ukraine a prelude of the WWIII?

When I see video like that I think that "yes".

"Rebels" cleans a new captured town. Rebels with good stuff like that? Clearly understood that there is a supply from Russia. And USA and EU are helping Kiev. It is clear that the confrontation is growing

its just a matter of when, and if the US and europian nations can get their heads out of their asses in time to deal with it before the shit hits the fan

deal with it? but how? a war with Russia? It's crazy.

A full scale war will not happen now, period.



My opinion?

- USSR sucked badly, Gorvachev is god.
- Ukraine's independence did a dick move to win more territory.
- EU did an idiotic move at rejecting Ukraine for more than two decades.
- EU and EEU did a dick move at forcing to one-side Ukraine rather cooperate.
- EU did a dick move at funding a coup when they realized their error.
- Russia did a dick move at sending troops at Crimea to make pressure.
- Crimea's 2.4 million population can do whatever they wish.
- Crimea elected to comeback to Russia with an impressive majority, end.
- NATO did a dick move at not accepting Crimea's voluntary annexation.
- UN sucks, so nobody cares.
- Rebels did a dick move at starting a coup with such frail majority.
- Ukraine's army did a dick move at sweeping rebels with impressive brutality.
- Russia did a super dick move at funding extremist rebels at medium scale.
- NATO did an idiotic move with weak and no one cares sanctions rather diplomacy.
- NATO and BRIC did a dick move at blind one-side the story on the news and so.

(On average, Ukraine should have not tried to pursue any side to be frank. I know there are huge benefits by joining EU or EEU, but selling your soul is a bad idea).

Current conflict is Ukraine + NATO + BRIC + EU + EEU + Extremist Rebels fault. The rest of the world isn't actually involved, though they would still do something to resolve the issue. Possible outcomes:

- Massive massacre of the rebels and civilians by Ukraine's army.
- Rebels conquest and does a successful coup on the two affected provinces.
- Rebel's moral or Ukraine's moral deplete, so conflict ends in status quo.
- Diplomatic solution granting more freedom to the provinces.

NATO and BRIC in any case will make an effort to be less dependent of the other as relations worsen, so that would make the scenario for a WW3 in the long run. Diplomatic solution would prevent this at some degree, though.

Anyway, the TL;DR:

To understand the Ukraine's problem you need to back in history around 25 years ago. What is the modern Ukraine (including Crimea) wasn't completely the historical Ukraine (earlier to USSR). The two eastern provinces and Crimea were historical Russia and it was that true even in most the USSR existence. What happened is that USSR reorganized itself around 40 years ago and the Ukraine division won those provinces (USSR was a single country, let's remember that).

When Ukraine went independence after the USSR fall, they insisted and pressured with NATO backs that new Ukraine would be what USSR left organized rather than historical. This was a trouble, because historical Russians territories were habited by around 85% Russian citizens who only speak Russian, most have familiars on Russia and so (they lived here by force because the USSR and later were too poor to move and decided to stay and give the new country a chance). But yeah, Russia after the USSR fall wasn't in any position to object anything as they got even more serious problems everywhere.

So yeah, with some tension Ukraine won those provinces, Ukrainians started to migrate to the new provinces (because state assisted patriotic bonuses) and the 85% started to swift to around 70% in Crimea and 55% on the two eastern provinces with the pass of two decades. The swift also happened because Russians moving to Russia with the time as the now recovering Russia started to promote migration there. Let's consider that even today, the Russians natives are still only speaking on Russia, they can't even communicate with the rest of the country as Ukrainians poor government never made good enough efforts to illiterate them on Ukrainian.

Anyway, tensions started to cold down, everything was good and so. Eastern Ukraine always voted for the Pro-Russian politicians and presidents, while Western did the same with the Pro-EU ones. Anyway, with some tensions there, everyone respected democracy. Ukraine's firsts governments aimed to join to EU and most people was OK with that. What happened? EU didn't accepted them never on 23 years because Ukraine is a poor country, though mainly because Ukraine's huge population, as they would win a lot of power in the EU's decision making with that. Same reason Turkey is being rejected, though EEU started to negotiate with Turkey, so EU did the same and Turkey is living the same situation, though with the difference that Turkey's aim is to win the most from both side and flee with the treasure, lol, and they are strong and quite stable aside Kurd's problems, so they can't be forced or hijacked.

So moderates and centrist started to swift toward joining the recent Eurasian Economic Union formed by Russia and pro-Russian presidents and legislators started to being elected with warm 51-56%. So yeah, when EU seen Ukraine was going to join EEU, surprise, now they stopped dicking off Ukraine and wanted them to join (for political reasons). Of course, I think there isn't need to say that EU forbidden Ukraine from joining EEU and EEU to Ukraine with EU.

Anyway, EU pressured a lot, but pro-Russians president and legislators had their option set with EEU. Too late? No, let's give weapons to Western Ukraine's extremist so they can do a coup and stop it right away! And so, Ukraine's tensions escalated, the coup happened, new pro EU president. Happy ending? I don't think so.

Those who voted for the previous president were extremely pissed off that their democratic option got kicked out by force. And while for some it just finished in angriness and more tension, for the Russian natives that was unacceptable, what were their reason to keep being with Ukraine if even their vote got kicked out? For a lot of them, none. Anyway, from wishing to doing there's a huge gap, but Russia did the same dick move as EU and sent weaponry and everything to Crimea to do another coup (though this time with vast support from most locals, but it's still wrong). UN's self representation policy, finish.

What is happening today is the repetition of Crimea annexation, but more tricky. NATO will not allow what happened in Crimea because that would shift the balance of power toward BRIC and the two provinces are around 55% Russians rather the 70%> of Crimea. But, BRIC's and Russia's power are enough deterrent to avoid a full scale war, so, what?

War by proxy. Let's give them weapons, money and all they may need to the extremist local so they do the job in your place. While the two provinces (and 50-55% Russians of them) are really small numbers for the Ukraine's army, Ukraine's army can't go full massacre because it will destroy their reputation and a coup to the coup can happen, nobody wish a coup to the coup as it can trigger a really long chain of coups like the ones on Egypt and other places. In fact, Ukraine at the start went full massacre and that just triggered more war with that, it's good that they learn the lesson at least.

Oh, yeah, even the general of the Ukraine's army admitted that didn't spotted any Russian soldier yet. So it's a full war by proxy.

Wow, it's so big text. Anyway politicians play as people die.

P.S. I have relatives in eastern Ukraine and when I talk to them on Skype, I hear explosions. And it is not very...

P.P.S. :o

Yeah, it's so sad how people above plays with the people like if they were pawns in a chess game... Because they aren't pawns, they are living people, with their family, emotions, experiences, memories, wishes and so... Our leaders should have more respect for life and people should ask for it louder, but the respect for life fades (on everyone) if it's given for granted enough time... and wars engulfs us again. It's so sad... I'm still crying about it to be honest.

I have passed years thinking in ways to prevent and stop those deadly conflicts for today and the future... I'm sure someday an idea will reach my head and I'll be able to help. But for now I just can pray for the best...

Trust me when I say a full scale war will be the last resort for Russia or USA.

Both countries know if they start fighting the impact, or domino affect, it will have on the rest of the world. Also the risk that one would push the scales to a nuclear attack is something neither side would be willing to risk. Unless you see Russia send its military into Ukraine then I doubt this will escalate from it being a civil war.

It sucks with what is happening to a younger nation like Ukraine. I know a few people who just moved back to Lviv and also the store manager at my work is from there.

I live in Russia, the West Siberia and I was in Lviv in May 2012 it's nice city with Polish-Hungarian architecture. In general, Western Ukraine is very different from Eastern Ukraine. Western Ukraine is somewhat reminiscent of Poland. And Eastern Ukraine resembles the Soviet Union of the 80s.

Also don't forget tha gangwar up in mah streets here at Brooklyn. I aint talkin' bout chicken n' gravy biatch. Pimp Emeritus is takin his Bardey Gang on tha top! even 2Pac n' IzeKillaz is capped cuz of tha gangwar

Too busy fapping.

Interesting if the war will be, what weapons will have time to use from this






an article in National Geographic
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2014/09/140905-ukraine-cease-fire-russia-invasion-geography-history/

Yesrerday explosive in Donetsk


Today, rebels prepare for rush


most of the Ukrainian army is surrounded


Gods when it will end

With every major nation failing to make any kind of stand, I expect ISIS to move in a take it all. All nations involved loose, terrorists win. Sad days these are.

The situation in the east of Ukraine is quite different from the situation with ISIS.

Uglegorsk city...since 40 sec..

looks like guys play in Arma 2.."facepalm"

Donetsk city before and after...

the song - "Orchestra" (Splin)

ww3 takes war everywhere like ww2, if russia is stupid enough to take on everybody well be able to take them down easily.... now if nukes are use then yes ww3 cause then everybody hits the big red button

I hope it is not affect Siberia. But I think if a nuclear war will be then it can not end like Armageddon. May be will limited to 2-3 destruction of cities on each side and all. By the way in ww2 in Japan two cities were destroyed by nuclear bombs

Ukrainian soldiers surrendering...over 100 ppl



more photos is here, Some from them are +21 http://www.buzzfeed.com/avdeev/horrific-images-capture-the-sheer-brutality-of-ukraine-war#.suZz82wO3

The Flag of Novorossia is so interesting...it reminds me of the Flag of Scotland.

Rebel's tank in action

I wasn't familiar with many of the details you guys were discussing so I just wanted to say thanks for the info. It was a lot easier to understand then reading a bunch of online articles.