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It's not a comparison, a extreme feminist are generally referred as Feminazi.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feminazi

I stopped reading after "Rush Limbaugh". I don't need to hear anything more after that. But when you say that, you basically are, as it combines feminist and nazi together....

Honestly, the definition of feminist is simple but yet vague for some situations. I'm all for women's right but the best deal for everyone is rather be a feminist, be a "equalist". It's not a word but if you're supporting both genders' rights, there won't be two side of viewpoint at each other necks.

Sorry for putting off the topic. I'll stop.

Feminists don't hate men. If someone calls themselves a feminist and does act horribly towards all men, they're not a feminist. Besides, the fact of the matter is that sexism in society is usually aimed at women more than men, not that men don't receive sexism too, of course. Because of that, feminists work towards the social equality and improvement of both genders.(but mostly women, because it's a much more prominent issue.) You have the right ideas, but I just wanted to clear some things up.

And you shouldn't be sorry for voicing your opinions, as long as they're not harmful to anybody! ;_;

Understood, and don't worry. I know that not all Feminist are like that. Thanks.

Words can change meaning over the course of years.
I think the word feminist/feminism will undergo this change.
I think most people agree that femenism used to be about bringing equality, justice, and dignity to all regardeless of race, gender, social status; At least that's what it was back when Betty Friedan took reigns of the feminist movement. But as it stands now with feminists in high places trying to do things like ban the word "bossy", then, one has to wonder if femenism is still what it used to be? And if I didn't know better, I'd say they are setting up the groundwork for a totalitarian type of government in which favors women above all else.
When a group of people talk about banning a word, or make it so that if you criticize them can cost you your job and shit like that....then that's when people should start to worry.
But really, all of this mental gymnastics could be avoided if a new word that is more neutral sounding is adopted. Equalist or egalitarian are both good choices.

Yet large number of people (women to be exact) who do hate men and want to simply have more power to women do identify themselves as feminist.




I have never heard majority female feminist group voice an issue that favors men rather than women, ever. Not only do female 'feminist' (sometimes) come up with bullshit claims to try and victimize themselves over nothing, they also often enough make all of the societies problems revolve around women.

I am not claiming sexism towards women doesn't exist, of coarse it does, but all i ever hear from the so called feminist is either problems that actually don't exist and don't have any validity, or they focus 100% of the time on issues women face and ignore the inequalities men face. (Even though they love to say how feminism means equal rights for both sexes).

And the word feminazi is today pretty commonly used word (on the internet at least) because of berating crazy ass women.

Feminists focus mainly on women because that's what their main goal is. I thought I already mentioned this... Besides, while they sometimes do focus on sexism towards men, it's such a small margin it's almost nonexistent in comparison to sexism against women.

extremist, sexist females make up a small percentage of the whole group, please stop treating the majority of women who want to stand up for themselves like they're crazy.

Let's see, we're gonna change a word just because for a very small proportion of humanity (less than 3%) doesn't feel it like that anymore. No matter how you word it, there will be always a proportion of population who will dislike the word, and we know it well on Spanish with our more than 30 dialects constantly clashing. I know, extremism make it seem like other thing for the group cited, well, extremists are very few to start with, too.

It isn't new, neither, on first and second wave, the same group cited also questioned the mean of the word and labeled it as "inappropriate", then, the first wave would've called "egalitarians"? No, because there were and are still more issues with women than men, thus egalitarian doesn't properly fit (yet). Consider that words like this are used on all the globe, so the term feminism is OK until men and women of all the globe enjoys a more-less real equality.

Yeah, it's also why is bad that USA/friends use miles over kilometers, or inches over centimeters (this has caused accidents and five digits of deaths). But I know some groups are just a way too stubborn (like politicians) to realize that they aren't the center of the world. Still, don't worry, I get your point, it's just I don't agree with it, but it's ok that each one shares their own opinion with respect~

Feminist claim that feminism means equality for both genders, yet you say their main goal is to focus mainly on women. I wonder how it works to say you are for everybody, yet you focus all your efforts only on one half.

I get it, this doesn't describe you specifically, but it does describe the people who i see, hear and read daily on the media.




I don't and never have treated majority of women as crazy, i only ridicule specific people who believe in and/or support specific stupid ideas and sexist females do make the majority of feminist who actually make their voices heard on the media. I am not claiming majority of feminist are equal to the feminazis you see in the media everyday, but they are just the ones who make their voices heard loudest and therefor easiest to respond to.

I believe in equality for both genders, so therefor that makes me a feminist in the eyes of who ever uses that meaning for the word feminist, but i don't join up into popular ideology groups and i don't label myself as anything, i only support or ridicule specific ideas.

I guess that makes sense, I was just a bit troubled, as I inferred that you thought feminists were crazy from that one last statement.

This is somewhat disturbing I'll give you that.

But to be honest though, I usually don't give a damn what strangers on the streets say to me because:
1. Earphones, can't hear em over my music.
2. I generally mind my own business and automatically presume they're not talking to me.
3. I'm not interesting enough to have people hurling random comments my way.

Let's imagine an equality ratio of 0.80 (the ratios of the top 5 countries), with womens having 20% less privileges and receiving 20% more sexism. Well, if you equally focus on men and women, on, let's say, a 10 years window, let's imagine a brute improvement of 100 points (Woman previously having 900 and mens 1100). Well, Women won 25 more privileges and receive 25 less sexism. Mens won 25 more privileges and receive 25 less sexism. Things improved for both, but the equality ratio remains the same. It sounds good if we ignore the equality ratio, right? But then, that 50 points improvement for mens of their 1100 base means less (in life quality) than the 50 points for the 900 base of woman.

So feminism focus on the women, because the efforts have greater results on quality of life. It's just the same as rich vs poor, poor people receive most the benefits because a 1$ billon dollar means a lot more for a 20$ billon dollar economy than for a 43$ trillon dollar one. The objective of feminism is equality, thus we return to the first thing mentioned: the current equality ratio on the top 5 goes from 0.80 to 0.843. Let's work to change the equality ratio to 1, then we can focus on the issues of both groups as it will have the same results now.

It's called empowering. Though I disagree with forced empowering.



Of course some disagree that there even exists a gap on the top 5 countries. Well, it can be, for you. That doesn't mean it's like that for everyone. Some things you gave them for granted aren't really like that (it includes me and everyone), but it's hard to realize that without help (and this come to everything on life), that's why hearing others is a good thing. After all we can change of mind with the help of others (like Nobel did).

And this is exactly why i do not appreciate or care for feminist opinion's.

Sure i believe that both sexes should be equal and hey if i remain one of those "horrible evil men" that say hi to cute women, look at how much i care~

Honestly some people should get off their sense of entitlement and start accepting that unless it some creep following you down a dark alley, oh god forbid, it isn't harassment. Well maybe if its the 437th time he has said hi to you and it some random, well hey that could be harassment.

But greeting someone on the street isn't something i see as wrong~

Then by the look of things people are going to continue arguing about what's a "real feminist" or a "fake feminist" instead discussing the matter at hand. So, instead of coming to a conclusion, we are going to be spending much of time figuring out if we are even on same page.
The thing is that the U.S is pretty much the center of attention whether we like it or not; Our media is devoured by millions around the globe and even some of our customs are borrowed. Anyways just recently a misandrist and a liar known as Anita Sarkeesian was given a spot on one of the most watched television shows in the nation and possibly around the world. She defines herself as a feminist and very soon a lot of people are going to associate femenism with batshit crazy women like her.
So the word femenism/feminist is not going to have a chance of meaning because I say so, but because people are going to look at these women and be like, "so that's what femenism is all about".

Top 5 countries based on what?
Who made the study and how?
How is the word 'privilege' defined in the study?
How is the word 'sexism' defined in the study?

Sorry, but i don't take these (or any) studies for granted, specially when todays biggest news by feminist is a scientist wearing a t-shirt, beautiful girl getting "cat called" on the street and that is supposedly sexism and a more important than landing on the comet. Feminist have made so many bullshit claims and self victimized themselves here in the west that these type of studies don't mean anything (not to me anyway) unless i see the original sources.




I simply have no idea what you are talking about here, you are all over the place.

OT: The problem with the video isn't that you got one of those comments. The problem is when you're receiving them all the frikking time (and in the case of some, in really weirdo ways), without any escape. Yes, it feels uncomfortable because it comes from completely strangers in a obviously not correct place to meet people. Yes, they should have also presented the 10 hours version (and the filming method), too. BTW, the mens version is the best. (High-Fiving for 5 minutes), xD. They are harassing? Aside the creepy guy following 5 minutes, nope. But it's harassing because you're constantly receiving it.

Cocconut: Bah, just watch the polls, data and stuff from ONU. Asian and U.S national pedagogy documents also have some interesting things on them (and there are a lot of data available on most governments websites). By the way, privilege is something you can take advantage of or just ignore it, like women have more privileges when fighting for children custody (bad) or mens can avoid most of the time being single fathers if they wish so (bad). It's something you have to look for real application rather than law/policy wise.

I think perhaps this is getting a bit confusing to follow.
So I'll just reiterate some things to make it clear where I stand.
I'm all for women's rights so by your definition I could be considered a feminist, since the term feminist is not exclusive to women, it would not incorrect to say I'm a feminist. However, because I'm a male and not a female, anything that I have to say would be dismissed by bunch of other feminist simply because I'm a guy regardless of how much I'm for women's rights etc..
I still say that term femenism will change meaning over time.

I leave you with this video from Based Mom
Based Mom

It's funny you said that, because about the half of the feminists are males (including radicals)~ In fact, the video (OT) was planned and done by a men (that focus more on artistic stuff rather than feminism). The T-Skirt scandal was done by a men, too (who is an idiot). The unique difference on the movement between male and female are that males have to employ empathy (thinking about how woman feel, like the uncomfortable feeling during constant cat-call), while females more often talk about their live experiences. Most feminists wouldn't reject you for your gender, neither, even most of the radicals (though a very few will do, we should reject those man-haters, too).

Franky I'm not very happy with the current feminist movement (worldwide, not just the one of the developed countries). I think there's a lot of "protectionism" to those radical feminist who're doing things wrong, like some female judges just to start with. I think we should voice stronger against them and try to reject them from the movement. And yes, the HeForShe campaign started by the UN Woman is a good approach to the issue.