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PC Elitism
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Tsurayu wrote...
"Oh no he didn't!" Yes, yes I did, and yes I know this about gaming, but this is obviously not going to encourage discussion, and quite frankly I don't intend to for it too. I feel like bitching because all MW2 discussion I read is about bitching. It's a bitchfest...
Anyway, PC Elitists PISS ME OFF. It's fine if you think PC gaming is the best, but you know what? It's also okay for me to think you are wrong. Personally I can't stand using the mouse and keyboard, especially for FPS.
What bothers me the most is their Elitist prick attitudes. Prime example that is getting on my nerves, is this crap about Modern Warfare 2. Cry me a fuckin' river. XBL and PSN users get screwed all of the time (Team Fortress 2 is a perfect example.) OMG, so you have to play MW2 like console players, wah! Stop acting like it is the biggest injustice you have ever seen in your life.
I know modding is important to the PC gaming community, but you know if you stop acting like assholes people might actually be willing to sympathize. As it stands, most PC gamers who are complaining about MW2 are just getting trolled in return.
Bah, I guess just chalk this up as an another rant topic of mine.
If you grew up using a PC playing numerous games that employ dedicated servers, modding tools, open source, etc. you'd understand. Why are you even concerned with PC gamer's plight? It's not like they're attacking you (unless you work at Infinity Ward, in which case I'd love to hurt you).
I used to play online games (like Halo) a lot with consoles, while playing games on the computer as well. I can say that generally, interacting with PC users is much more enjoyable/tolerable for various reasons (not always).
Also, the worst part of MW2 is Infinity Wards removal of the lean function... truly awful. I'm pretty sure all experienced snipers (on the PC anyway) used lean and would not be able to imagine playing CoD4 without it!
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pizzabite wrote...
Also, the worst part of MW2 is Infinity Wards removal of the lean function... truly awful. I'm pretty sure all experienced snipers (on the PC anyway) used lean and would not be able to imagine playing CoD4 without it!I NOTICED THIS PRETTY SOON AFTER I STARTED PLAYING MW2. I WAS PRETTY FUCKIN DISAPPOINTED AT FIRST BUT THEN I REALIZED THAT I DIDNT REALLY GIVE A FUCK AFTER AWHILE
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ZeroOBK wrote...
GameON wrote...
Because they know what they're fucking talking about. Console fanboys will often go on about something they have no idea about. It's like trying to reason to a 10 year old child. Oh wait that is what the majority of the console base is like.That's what the majority of the human race is like. In any case, I agree with you, but for different reasons, namely that PC gamers are less likely to call themselves "hardcore gamers" when they actually are not, and that console gamers tend to be fickle over the prices of consoles when an equivalent-level PC would cost a lot more (for games anyway).
Sure, there are plenty of 10 year old children playing games they shouldn't be. What sets consoles (specifically the 360) apart?
They gave those 10 year olds headsets. The horror, the horror
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Pog wrote...
ZeroOBK wrote...
GameON wrote...
Because they know what they're fucking talking about. Console fanboys will often go on about something they have no idea about. It's like trying to reason to a 10 year old child. Oh wait that is what the majority of the console base is like.That's what the majority of the human race is like. In any case, I agree with you, but for different reasons, namely that PC gamers are less likely to call themselves "hardcore gamers" when they actually are not, and that console gamers tend to be fickle over the prices of consoles when an equivalent-level PC would cost a lot more (for games anyway).
Sure, there are plenty of 10 year old children playing games they shouldn't be. What sets consoles (specifically the 360) apart?
They gave those 10 year olds headsets. The horror, the horror
I think 10-year-olds generally have more difficulty trying to configure a router than setting up a console.
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Tsurayu wrote...
GameON wrote...
Im sorry but, QQ more Tsurayu.PC "elitists" are much more tolerable and reasonable to listen too. Why?
Because they know what they're fucking talking about. Console fanboys will often go on about something they have no idea about. It's like trying to reason to a 10 year old child. Oh wait that is what the majority of the console base is like.
Yeah... that is a prime example of the bullshit I'm talking about. PC gamers think they are just top-class about everything. Their massive brains apparently can't comprehend why some people don't like PC gaming.
Which brings me to another point of some PC gamers that I hate: piracy. I've actually heard people defend piracy with the excuse "I'm paying thousands of dollars for a rig, I shouldn't have to pay $50 for a game." What kind of argument is that?
I could say that "this is what console fanboys are like, ignorant of them being smart and aware of everything in the gaming industry", but im not going too.
And it's not bullshit, console fanboys are indeed stupid, ignorant about gaming. They think they now everything about the game, game companies , how the market works etc. This is certainly not the case and they only know the facts that benefit their console and will only argue those points and completely ignore yours.
How do i know this? Because most of my friends IRL are console fanboys. They are stupid and ignorant and have no idea what they are talking about. Hell i even play my Xbox more than my PC nowadays. But what i can say from experience is that the majority of the PC community are much more civilized and respectful people compared to the majority of the console community.
Kind of Important wrote...
This topic pops up all the time. Who gives a damn which you prefer. I myself use both, happen to prefer consoles. As long as you have a use for one or the either, then fuck everyone else.
GameON wrote...
Im sorry but, QQ more Tsurayu.PC "elitists" are much more tolerable and reasonable to listen too. Why?
Because they know what they're fucking talking about. Console fanboys will often go on about something they have no idea about. It's like trying to reason to a 10 year old child. Oh wait that is what the majority of the console base is like.
That's pretty much the problem right there. How does being a "PC Elitist" make you know what you're talking about? I'm tired of the same people freaking the fuck out over how consoles are ruining PC gaming, etc.
Obviously because gaming started and was popularized on a PC. The console and gaming industry has benefited mostly from PC community innovation and wouldn't be what it is today without them. See the PC community helped 'create and innovate" games, and obviously if you created something you'd have more knowledge about it than someone who uses it.
Say if you were the person in a who help make, created and perfected the Ipod. It took you over 7 years to perfect and create it. Then a new guy comes along, he makes a new generation of Ipod so successful that the company decides that you shouldn't deserve any of the shares or money at all and gives it all to the new guy. This is how the PC community feels right now
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GameON wrote...
Tsurayu wrote...
GameON wrote...
Im sorry but, QQ more Tsurayu.PC "elitists" are much more tolerable and reasonable to listen too. Why?
Because they know what they're fucking talking about. Console fanboys will often go on about something they have no idea about. It's like trying to reason to a 10 year old child. Oh wait that is what the majority of the console base is like.
Yeah... that is a prime example of the bullshit I'm talking about. PC gamers think they are just top-class about everything. Their massive brains apparently can't comprehend why some people don't like PC gaming.
Which brings me to another point of some PC gamers that I hate: piracy. I've actually heard people defend piracy with the excuse "I'm paying thousands of dollars for a rig, I shouldn't have to pay $50 for a game." What kind of argument is that?
I could say that "this is what console fanboys are like, ignorant of them being smart and aware of everything in the gaming industry", but im not going too.
And it's not bullshit, console fanboys are indeed stupid, ignorant about gaming. They think they now everything about the game, game companies , how the market works etc. This is certainly not the case and they only know the facts that benefit their console and will only argue those points and completely ignore yours.
How do i know this? Because most of my friends IRL are console fanboys. They are stupid and ignorant and have no idea what they are talking about. Hell i even [play my console more than my PC nowadays. But what i can say that is the PC community are much more civilized people compared to the console community.
I'd say console fanboys of Sega Saturn and Super Nintendo, etc. know more about games than anyone else.
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RAWR RAWR!! PC IS THE BESTEST!! LAWLS, ALL YOU CONSOLE NOOBS SUCK!!
But seriously, I find PC gamers more chill than the console ones. Ever play Halo 3 on Xbox Live? So many whiners.
Look on the bright side, most PC elitists know computers pretty damn well. At least you can ask them about computer problems. Console (especially Xbox and PS3) fanboys are nothing but a bunch of idiots who are still whining about which is better graphically and spew bullshit about how Nintendo sucks. Makes it fun to tell them that both the Wii and the DS outsell both consoles by several hundred thousand units.
But seriously, I find PC gamers more chill than the console ones. Ever play Halo 3 on Xbox Live? So many whiners.
Look on the bright side, most PC elitists know computers pretty damn well. At least you can ask them about computer problems. Console (especially Xbox and PS3) fanboys are nothing but a bunch of idiots who are still whining about which is better graphically and spew bullshit about how Nintendo sucks. Makes it fun to tell them that both the Wii and the DS outsell both consoles by several hundred thousand units.
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GameON wrote...
I could say that "this is what console fanboys are like, ignorant of them being smart and aware of everything in the gaming industry", but im not going too.And it's not bullshit, console fanboys are indeed stupid, ignorant about gaming. They think they now everything about the game, game companies , how the market works etc. This is certainly not the case and they only know the facts that benefit their console and will only argue those points and completely ignore yours.
How do i know this? Because most of my friends IRL are console fanboys. They are stupid and ignorant and have no idea what they are talking about. Hell i even
Way to stereotype. I consider myself a smart, knowledgeable console fan. Just because you have stupid friends, doesn't mean all of us who prefer consoles are like that. I'm pretty sure there's a bunch of ignorant PC gamers out there too.
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Azuran wrote...
GameON wrote...
I could say that "this is what console fanboys are like, ignorant of them being smart and aware of everything in the gaming industry", but im not going too.And it's not bullshit, console fanboys are indeed stupid, ignorant about gaming. They think they now everything about the game, game companies , how the market works etc. This is certainly not the case and they only know the facts that benefit their console and will only argue those points and completely ignore yours.
How do i know this? Because most of my friends IRL are console fanboys. They are stupid and ignorant and have no idea what they are talking about. Hell i even
Way to stereotype. I consider myself a smart, knowledgeable console fan. Just because you have stupid friends, doesn't mean all of us who prefer consoles are like that. I'm pretty sure there's a bunch of ignorant PC gamers out there too.
I said majority. You are obviously in the minority.
And of course there are ignorant, stupid PC gamers out there. Just not as many as console gamers out there.
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GameON wrote...
Azuran wrote...
GameON wrote...
I could say that "this is what console fanboys are like, ignorant of them being smart and aware of everything in the gaming industry", but im not going too.And it's not bullshit, console fanboys are indeed stupid, ignorant about gaming. They think they now everything about the game, game companies , how the market works etc. This is certainly not the case and they only know the facts that benefit their console and will only argue those points and completely ignore yours.
How do i know this? Because most of my friends IRL are console fanboys. They are stupid and ignorant and have no idea what they are talking about. Hell i even
Way to stereotype. I consider myself a smart, knowledgeable console fan. Just because you have stupid friends, doesn't mean all of us who prefer consoles are like that. I'm pretty sure there's a bunch of ignorant PC gamers out there too.
I said majority. You are obviously in the minority.
And of course there are ignorant, stupid PC gamers out there. Just not as many as console gamers out there.
Well, first off, your friends are not everyone. As obvious as it sounds, it seems as thought your way of thinking is that since 100% (or a high %) of your friends are ignorant/stupid, a high % of everyone is like that. Well, over here, only about 30% of the people I know that play consoles are ignornt/stupid. The ones that aren't know that they don't know everything about the gaming industry, orthe games they play. They also know that from the beginning, PC users have had it better than consoles.
Take Team Fortress 2 for example. On the Xbox, it has 5 maps and 9 classes (each with 3 weapons TOTAL). The PC version however, has over 15 maps, custom maps, umlimited servers, more than twice as many weapons for each class. Pc's last update was around a month go (I think). Xbox version's last update? 4 months ago, and all they fixed were bugs/glitches.
It used to be console users who were angry at PC users, but since the quaity of console games is rising closer to PC, the PC users are expecting their games to be pushed higher also, so that they stay just as far ahead of consoles as they used to.
They may have taken out some things for teh PC verson on MW2 that were in MW1, but all it did was make then closer to eachother, not worse than consoles.
Continue this another day, gotta go.
TL;DR version: Consoles and PC should be equal, that's all.
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GameON wrote...
Obviously because gaming started and was popularized on a PC. The console and gaming industry has benefited mostly from PC community innovation and wouldn't be what it is today without them. See the PC community helped "create and innovate" games, and obviously if you created something you'd have more knowledge about it than someone who uses it. Now I'll have to disagree with you here. First, maybe PCs did get gaming started, but I doubt they were the ones that popularized it. I have a hard time thinking that a PC popularized gaming beyond what the NES accomplished. Second, the PC community certainly did help further games, but don't think that they deserve all of the credit.
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pizzabite wrote...
Pog wrote...
ZeroOBK wrote...
GameON wrote...
Because they know what they're fucking talking about. Console fanboys will often go on about something they have no idea about. It's like trying to reason to a 10 year old child. Oh wait that is what the majority of the console base is like.That's what the majority of the human race is like. In any case, I agree with you, but for different reasons, namely that PC gamers are less likely to call themselves "hardcore gamers" when they actually are not, and that console gamers tend to be fickle over the prices of consoles when an equivalent-level PC would cost a lot more (for games anyway).
Sure, there are plenty of 10 year old children playing games they shouldn't be. What sets consoles (specifically the 360) apart?
They gave those 10 year olds headsets. The horror, the horror
I think 10-year-olds generally have more difficulty trying to configure a router than setting up a console.
It's not that.. -_-
It's the fact that they curse A LOT. <To the point it is irritating.
ex. Like if they die, they will like rant about it for hours and hours..
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... I don't even know where to start; if that isn't a perfect example of the pot calling the kettle black, then I don't know what is. That's the attitude I'm talking about. PC gamers, on average, are certainly not any more intelligent than console gamers. I'll be fair and say that my attitude towards PC elitism is exaggerated, but so is this crap about console gamers being ignorant, loud-mouthed, punks.
What about gaming on the PC makes a person more qualified as a gamer? Consoles are just as important to the history and current development of the video game industry as any use of a PC.
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Waar
FAKKU Moderator
well in truth console games are played by a much larger verity of children because of the misconception that pc games are for nerds. You have a much larger user base in the 11-18 year old market playing games like halo on consoles which leads to the assumption that consoles are filled with retard kids. Not all console players are stupid immature children but they do appeal to a larger fan base and thus attract a larger percentage of idiots. It's like comparing the general public who play WoW to those who play a lesser known niche game such as Dark Age of Camelot; both games have retards but the sheer volume of retards that patrol the boarder of Azeroth far outnumber.
What about gaming on the PC makes a person more qualified as a gamer? Consoles are just as important to the history and current development of the video game industry as any use of a PC.
Well... Not that it makes a better gamer but everything you see today on consoles is because of the advances made in/on computers. Consoles today aren't much more than glorified computers and the real evolution of these systems is mostly due to what has been done with computers. In short, consoles could not exist as they are without the pc whereas the pc has thrives despite the consoles. I believe the only real advantage pc's have seen due to consoles is it has helped the general population reconsider their "nerd only" stance on computers. Games like Doom and Duke Nukem are the reason Halo exists.
Tsurayu wrote...
What about gaming on the PC makes a person more qualified as a gamer? Consoles are just as important to the history and current development of the video game industry as any use of a PC.
Well... Not that it makes a better gamer but everything you see today on consoles is because of the advances made in/on computers. Consoles today aren't much more than glorified computers and the real evolution of these systems is mostly due to what has been done with computers. In short, consoles could not exist as they are without the pc whereas the pc has thrives despite the consoles. I believe the only real advantage pc's have seen due to consoles is it has helped the general population reconsider their "nerd only" stance on computers. Games like Doom and Duke Nukem are the reason Halo exists.
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Waar wrote...
Well... Not that it makes a better gamer but everything you see today on consoles is because of the advances made in/on computers. Consoles today aren't much more than glorified computers and the real evolution of these systems is mostly due to what has been done with computers. In short, consoles could not exist as they are without the pc whereas the pc has thrives despite the consoles. I believe the only real advantage pc's have seen due to consoles is it has helped the general population reconsider their "nerd only" stance on computers. Games like Doom and Duke Nukem are the reason Halo exists.Fine, but just as well, PC gaming may never have taken off as anything more than a backwards hobby (e.g. Commodores/Amigas) if it wasn't for Nintendo. I don't think anyone could argue that Nintendo was the biggest factor in bringing about a turn around of the Video Game Crash of 1983. PC gaming may not have continued to exist if it wasn't for the NES, a console.
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Waar
FAKKU Moderator
Tsurayu wrote...
Waar wrote...
Well... Not that it makes a better gamer but everything you see today on consoles is because of the advances made in/on computers. Consoles today aren't much more than glorified computers and the real evolution of these systems is mostly due to what has been done with computers. In short, consoles could not exist as they are without the pc whereas the pc has thrives despite the consoles. I believe the only real advantage pc's have seen due to consoles is it has helped the general population reconsider their "nerd only" stance on computers. Games like Doom and Duke Nukem are the reason Halo exists.Fine, but just as well, PC gaming may never have taken off as anything more than a backwards hobby (e.g. Commodores/Amigas) if it wasn't for Nintendo. I don't think anyone could argue that Nintendo was the biggest factor in bringing about a turn around of the Video Game Crash of 1983. PC gaming may not have continued to exist if it wasn't for the NES, a console.
I don't agree with you, I don't believe the NES has anything to do with the evolution of computer gaming.
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Tsurayu wrote...
GameON wrote...
Im sorry but, QQ more Tsurayu.PC "elitists" are much more tolerable and reasonable to listen too. Why?
Because they know what they're fucking talking about. Console fanboys will often go on about something they have no idea about. It's like trying to reason to a 10 year old child. Oh wait that is what the majority of the console base is like.
Yeah... that is a prime example of the bullshit I'm talking about. PC gamers think they are just top-class about everything. Their massive brains apparently can't comprehend why some people don't like PC gaming.
Which brings me to another point of some PC gamers that I hate: piracy. I've actually heard people defend piracy with the excuse "I'm paying thousands of dollars for a rig, I shouldn't have to pay $50 for a game." What kind of argument is that?
I install modchips in my consoles so I don't have to pay for games. Hah! If I do enjoy a game/company, I will buy it though. Atlus games, for example.
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TehMikuruSlave wrote...
Tsurayu wrote...
GameON wrote...
Im sorry but, QQ more Tsurayu.PC "elitists" are much more tolerable and reasonable to listen too. Why?
Because they know what they're fucking talking about. Console fanboys will often go on about something they have no idea about. It's like trying to reason to a 10 year old child. Oh wait that is what the majority of the console base is like.
Yeah... that is a prime example of the bullshit I'm talking about. PC gamers think they are just top-class about everything. Their massive brains apparently can't comprehend why some people don't like PC gaming.
Which brings me to another point of some PC gamers that I hate: piracy. I've actually heard people defend piracy with the excuse "I'm paying thousands of dollars for a rig, I shouldn't have to pay $50 for a game." What kind of argument is that?
I install modchips in my consoles so I don't have to pay for games. Hah! If I do enjoy a game/company, I will buy it though. Atlus games, for example.
Right.. but you don't technically get to play online..