Fate/stay night - WHAT IF we really have a Holy Grail War?

For me, it would be the Maya Hero Twins, Hunahpu and Xbalanque. Although there are two of them, they fight as a single entity and cannot act without the other doing the same.

They would be of the Lancer class, and with my abilities, their traits would be mediocre.

Im just curious... If you Heroic spirit was proficient with Guns where would that fall? something like Archer-type? Drake has dual pistols and is in the Rider Class because of the ship...

If for some reason your servant was a Musician.... Like John Petrucci(spell names are music titles)!!! Is it best for them to be categorized as Casters? lol if he is in the Saver Class

tsk... cant wait for F/E CCC

Because Francis Drake is famous for "her" voyages with the ship. Nasu can just put could just use a cutlass for her, but the "business decision" to make her wield a dual flintlocks is a good one, considering she uses cannons for one of her skills.

Once again Fate/Extra Summoning system is different than the original HGW

The problem here with George is what makes him so "special" that he's qualified to be a Saber?



Your fault for not obeying the "rules", and forcing your opinion upon us.



You're missing my point. Gil was classed as archer due to his fighting style.
Then what qualities from George do you think qualifies him to be placed in the Saber Class? His ceremonial dress swords?
(This is according to the original Holy Grail system, not Fate/Extra's Moon Cell system)

Concerning Alexander the Great... If I am summoning him, he will really go into the Rider class. Why? Because of Bucephalus (Although not a chariot), his horse. This horse is a really famous horse, more even than Red Hare.

I wrote on the subject/headline [color=red]Fate/stay night[/color] so as to not confuse it with any other Fate.

Never forget, Fate/Extra is set in an alternate reality. (set in the reality called fan service?)
http://typemoon.wikia.com/wiki/Fate/stay_night Just scroll down to related media.

So, we only have 7 Fakku users fighting for for the Fakku Grail War at a time. (Not 100+)

Here is why I think Nasu's work in Gilgamesh, Medusa etc works.
Unlike Medusa, Arthur, and Gilgamesh... we have an idea of how exactly George Washington looks like via his actual paintings (means when he was still alive) and remains. On the other hand, Gilgamesh and company... well we only know them by stories.

If (if only) you guys want,
Maybe I should add another rule to lessen confusion... like

6. Since we can't all be super awesome in making stories like Nasu, you can't modify/re imagine your servant beyond how he/she is known. However, all servants made by Nasu will stay that way. (Like Saber F/sn = Arthur female version, an so on)
e.g.
Acceptable: Napoleon Bonaparte, Archer, (Male) -
Noble Phantasm
Charleville - Type: Anti-Army , Rank: A+, Range: 1-99, Maximum number of targets: 666 people - fires a bullet that can penetrate any target by creating a twisting distortion in space when fired.
Mousquetaires de la garde - a Reality Marble that embodies Napoleon's dreams and philosophies as a conqueror and his bond with his subjects. Meaning, it summons a platoon of French Musketeers. (Kyaaah! Napoleon on steroids!)

Unacceptable: Napoleon Bonaparte, Saber, (Female) -
Noble Phantasm
Cavalry Saber of Demise - Type: Anti-Army , Rank: A+, Range: 1-99, Maximum number of targets: 777 people - converts the prana of the wielder into light, intensifying the kinetic energy by convergence and acceleration, allowing for the use of Divine Spirit level thaumaturgy. (Wow! I didn't know he err... she has that...)

The reality marble could also work in George Washington, just change the musketeers to minutemen.

Also, keep in mind the description of Saber class which is:
"Agile and powerful melee warriors adept at swordsmanship. The qualifying conditions require the Heroic Spirits to have legends as a knights (not a literal knight) of the sword."

I hope with this I can continue seeing servants now. ^_^

Alexander the Great is already Rider class in Fate/Zero. Its just that they translate his name as Iskandar.


For me, I'd summon Genghis Khan as Rider class, though Archer class is another viable option seeing how mongols are known for their horseback archery. Genghis Khan conquered pretty much all of Asia, Middle East, and was about to conquer Europe but decided to let the puny europeans live.


If anime characters were an option, I would have summoned Kenshiro as Assassin class.

Gosho Aoyama (creator of Detective Conan) - Class : Caster

It's amazing how he kept a single series going for almost 18 years lol

He should be considered as a hero (of manga?).

His Noble phantasm is a pen that gives him the ability to finish his manuscript before the deadline!

**He's not dead yet, but I thought it'd be funny :P**

@Sprite: "Boku wa mo shindeiru!"

For me, I shall summon Faust! I shall summon him under the class of Caster

Faust(Johann Faust), Caster, Male
- Faust has magical powers fueled by his contract with the demon Mephistopheles. This incarnation of Faust died prematurely before his contract ended and as such his "resurrection" binds the contract on him once more. His magical powers are bestowed to him by Mephistopheles.

Noble Phantasm
Mephistopheles - Type: Personal, Rank: A+++ (He's a freaking demon, that's why!), Range: Faust, Maximum number of targets: 1 (Faust)
-The supplier of Fausts magical capabilities, Mephisto is also capable of granting Faust his earthly desires. While he may be allowed to fulfill many of Fausts earthly desires, he is only able to directly affect Faust himself and no one else. Faust shares his magic circuits with Mephisto and this is what allows him to use the powerful spells he may cast. Furthermore, Mephisto bestows upon Faust great knowledge in magic, possible even more magic than was thought to ever exist. This knowledge does not bestow Faust the ability to perform Sorcery (True Magic). Faust cannot be bestowed any desire that would allow him to physically take down his opponents. Mephisto cannot be used as a weapon.
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No I do not write briefly on this stuff. I thought really hard about this and am prepared to even revise this if I feel like it.

Edit:
@Kyres: LOLOLOL, I'm currently reading Detective Conan and I still wonder that.

If there ever were a holy grail war....



Practically every person in the world knows about him. In other words, All other servants are FUCKED.

And in case you haven't figured out his class, You are living under a very very very very humongous invisible rock that is prolly bigger than the universe

Why is Medusa a Rider then?

You keep picturing medusa, as the gorgon, not medusa when she was a goddess.


and Just keep on going ignoring our question.

I'll need some sort of source of what you're saying, cause

http://www.myth-and-fantasy.com/pegasus/plore.html



And what question am i ignoring?
I'm sort of being hit with alot here, alone.

Souls are you REALLY going to keep this up? Let me exactly pinpoint an issue with having Washington, the man is not the stuff of legends. He is not revered for biting peoples necks off with his teeth. He is not known for expert swordsmanship. Even though known he was a general, we usually make fun of his military career most of the time.

To answer why Medusa is Rider, because Nasu Kinoko says so that's why. He simply connected the fact that a FUCKING PEGASUS came out of her neck and decided that she should be the Rider class. Mind you this isn't just a horse. IT'S A LEGENDARY BEAST that came out of her neck. Even I would see to it that this alone as reason enough. If that isn't enough for you, question the author himself. He's entitled to do as he pleases with ANCIENT MYTHOLOGY. With something as old as that, there is some creative liberties one can take to such a tale. One can even go as far as to say "King Arthur was actually a woman".

I'll as you to do this then. Attempt to find anything of value in Washington's life where he could be seen as a legend. The man only won two battles in his life by the way so forget trying to say "withstood the odds". Odds were against this man. And there is very little in the way of creative liberties you can do on the guy. He existed in history and had much recorded on him.

Furthermore, there is no superstitious myth surrounding him that can connect him to to the occult like Gilles de Rais, who has been used in many forms of literature as an antagonist ranging from himself (nothing magical) to an evil wizard (aligned with Cthulhu) to even being a vampire.

You keep ignoring important questions, you try to make justify your post not by proofing "your" post is right, but by pointing out inconsistencies and business decisions by Nasu, then you force us to fuckin find a "source" while your source of George washington is basically the same as pulling something magically out of your ass.

IF I also have 8 different samurai swords and also master of kendo, does it qualify me as a Saber? Assuming I'm as famous as George?

kickiluxxx wrote...

Also, keep in mind the description of Saber class which is:
"Agile and powerful melee warriors adept at swordsmanship. The qualifying conditions require the Heroic Spirits to have legends as a knights (not a literal knight) of the sword."

1. You're fundamentally wrong.
2. You're serious about being wrong.

Uzumaki who wanted Santa Claus is alright, because we know basically he's just joking, but not you.

I'd still count Santa and do a write up for the hell of it. He wouldn't be called Santa though, he'd be Saint Nicholas. And his class would be... no wait can't work. Still funny to think of though. Maybe Berserker Santa.

Wait, elaborate Berserker here Kaimax. Can anyone be Berserker or what?

Learning from Zouken and Kariya from fate/zero, anyone can summon any heroic spirit as a berserker by adding those 2 extra verses when you're summoning. But it's not a good idea to summon someone adept in magic as a berserker, since madness canceller makes them inable to talk, sealing most of their verbal spells.

Mmmmm... so I see. But would it give any Heroic spirit great strength? Or does the Spirit need to be strong in the first place?

Edit: I decided to do the research myself for this one and found something interesting

"Servants placed within this class are always incarnations of heroes who have gone berserk on their lifetime. This trait allows them to use the special ability Mad Enhancement, which trades their consciousness (i.e. sanity) for a large power boost. Most Masters are incapable of controlling their Servant once Mad Enhancement has been activated, which eventually results in their death. "

Thus it is limited to any character who's tale has had them gone berserk. Hercules went berserk and killed his children if I remember correctly.

Not true, in-order for someone to be summoned as a Berserker, they have had to experienced madness in their life. But yes you can make sure you get a Berserker, just not pick the hero itself.

Also George is still my Saber, deal with it. Nerds. :3

edit: noticed the guy above me pointed it out. I post as i read, so i didn't purposely copy him :<

[size=1]I wish everyone didn't hate me. ;_;[/h]

Nearly impossible, but not impossible. :) Archer is an example. :P G. Washington, in fact, has more credibility because there are legends and myths surrounding his character and is also more well known.



May be the case for you, but the main advocate, Kaimax, seems to be using Nasu's writing as source material so not sure why I'm not allowed to. :)

I just think you guys are putting way too much restriction on this. Sure it's ridiculous, but not all too far fetched. And because I love playing the devil's advocate.



Alright, but:



I'll ask a similar question: If you can find a reliable source that Gilgamesh used Gate of Babylon to propel swords to kill his foes in any of his legends, then you win this argument.

Although I say this, to quell your bickering I'll do my best to explain why I support Soul's claim:

The emergence of muskets definitely made warfare mostly about guns but if anyone thinks the importance of swordsmanship was ever forgotten during the revolutionary era, then you're wrong. Read some documentations and there are mentions of great swordsmen. Not really sure what the point of dignifying a useless skill if it weren't important to the war. Bayonet charges were quite common in the war, and if you had a sword, you were using it. Although there aren't many historical documentation of the period, we know that G. Washington had training with swords.



No, cause generals switched to a different sword when in battle. Why? Common sense dictates they actually got used.

To cover more bases, I'll mention that having a "main" style doesn't necessarily mean you're summoned into that class. Example: Archer. I think he used his bow once? And used UBW a couple times to do a Gilgamesh, but more often fought with swords.

Do some research and you'll find it's not really too hard to swallow.



What the hell?

Sweet baby Jesus I wrote more than I intended.

Then, What "legendary" sword that George has that can be qualified as a Noble Phantasm which is not his collection of dress swords. All Sabers I know until now, All of them has Legendary Swords (Except Nero, who's sword was fictional)

Arturia -> Excalibur
Lancelot (IF he wasn't summoned as a Berserker) -> Arondight
Sigfried -> Balmung

The whole start of this argument is:
The idea of a Saber, without a well-known legendary sword does not make sense as a Saber. That's why I suggested an Archer Class or a Ruler Class. Since both doesn't really need a famous weapon to be classed as those 2 classes. (Archer EMIYA, doesn't have a well-known bow, but his way of making broken phantasms and shoots it like an arrow classifies him as an archer.

Don't expect me to accept another "Aestus Estus", ex: Sword of Liberty... lol



Quoted it from Typemoon wiki, because I'm already fed up by Souls, can't answer himself Why George is qualified. He only showed that George has "a collection of dress swords" and able to do some swordsmanship that he's not famous at.



I read some books and also studied some of his basic history, but what kind of "Myths" or "legends" Does GW have?

It was said that Washington used his teeth to rip off the flesh from peoples necks. He was the greatest warrior to live as he had a set of steel false teeth made for war. It is said that before dying, Washington spoke incoherently in what may have been a foreign unknown tongue.

The only fragment recorded from his speech was: "ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn"