Sora no Otoshimono (Season 3 Announced!)

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ZeroOBK wrote...
hermitVI wrote...
For ZeroOBK and I to see eye to eye... Is the world coming to an end much sooner than 2012?

Hey, hey! If we agreed on things our conversations wouldn't be so interesting. Presenting different ideas even if I don't necessarily believe them helps to keep the conversation interesting, which is why I have moments of theorizing and moments of philosophizing.

If I'm to admit that everything you say per se is agreeable, I honestly would be better off not posting at all. Rejecting or finding faults to any idea that's not to my liking (and damn do I have way too many) is the most enjoyable thing to do after all, even if I may sometime need to be dishonest as well. What I'm trying to say is even if I do realize that we're on the same page, I read whatever was written there in a different manner than you did. -It doesn't make a whole lot of sense does it, bleh.

Still, I feel as if we've talked about this exact same thing once before...

ZeroOBK wrote...
hermitVI wrote...
This is one horrifying paragraph. The number of times you used the word "tsundere"(5x) is even greater than the total number of sentences(4) you made.

In case you can't tell, I find tsundere to be the most moe~ of all the personality archetypes. Hence my love for Kotegawa over all TLR girls despite probably having the most ordinary design of them all.

Who doesn't know about it? I mean I may not get along well with anyone but I take note of some users', who I frequently converse with, personal inclinations and such. Well, studying/observing how other people think/analyze various info is what interests me the most in online forums such as this, particularly in relation to anime viewing.

Speaking of TLR girls, Saki's still number one among them!
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As for Sohara and Kotegawa's side by side comparison: the only similarity which I was able to find is their violent nature as they sure tend to inflict a lot of physical harm to the respective guy whom they adore, and over such trifling matters at that. -kinda funny how they do/(did) it in their own different style; Sohara by hand-chops while Yui with kicks/(stomping).

Now that the more I think of it, it never did occur to me how having such "timely jealous moments" (as you've mentioned in your previous post) could be considered as a conditional aspect of being a tsundere. Speaking of which, I never saw any incident where it did happen in TLR OVA 4...
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unless you're referring to when Haruna's ass landed on top of Rito's face immediately followed by Yui lashing out on him.

To me, it appeared to be the work of the "anti lewd-behavior mechanism" in her body more than of jealousy taking its form. It sure wouldn't count as an act which could incriminate someone of being tsundere either way.
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hermitVI wrote...
To me, it appeared to be the work of the "anti lewd-behavior mechanism" in her body more than of jealousy taking its form. It sure wouldn't count as an act which could incriminate someone of being tsundere either way.


Lets not forget that Rito is perverted but doesn't openly show it, he's just unlucky bastards who's face or hands is always around inappropriate areas. Where as Tomoki is clearly perverted and is somewhat not afraid to admit it or show it.
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hermitVI wrote...
Still, I feel as if we've talked about this exact same thing once before...

I honestly don't think we have ...

hermitVI wrote...
Now that the more I think of it, it never did occur to me how having such "timely jealous moments" (as you've mentioned in your previous post) could be considered as a conditional aspect of being a tsundere. Speaking of which, I never saw any incident where it did happen in TLR OVA 4...
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unless you're referring to when Haruna's ass landed on top of Rito's face immediately followed by Yui lashing out on him.

Admittedly, I didn't draw that comparison with "timely jealous" in mind. TLR OVA 4 is more representative of "timely pain-inflicting" and "timely blushing". Yui Kotegawa is "timely jealous" elsewhere.

hermitVI wrote...
To me, it appeared to be the work of the "anti lewd-behavior mechanism" in her body more than of jealousy taking its form. It sure wouldn't count as an act which could incriminate someone of being tsundere either way.

Nah. The "anti-lewd behavior mechanism" is used more as a pretense than anything else after she gets attracted to Rito. If she's in a perverted event with Rito she's more likely to do the usual "Pervert!" yell while "timely pain-inducing" takes place.

Yui: For your info, I'm only here so people like you don't throw dirt on Sainan High's name! It's not like I came just for the festival ... (tsundere~)

And ...

Yui: Sheesh, this happened because you people tried to do inappropriate stuff by choosing to come here.
Rito: Even though you decided to follow us ...
Yui: That's because I have to make sure you don't do anything indecent!

Just let me reiterate here ... Sohara's personality uses tsundere as a base, it doesn't describe her perfectly. She's much more amiable than a lot of tsunderes and quite a bit more tolerant of the love interest's "odd behaviors".
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hermitVI wrote...
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Also, has Takamura decided to go on a training camp all by himself?! :shock:


i really hoped it was him for bonus comedic effects

but sadly it wasn't and i'm a little disappointed :(

ZeroOBK wrote...
hermitVI wrote...
Question of the Week: What makes a tsundere (there, I've said it) anyway and how does that apply to Sohara being one? Each personal opinion are to be acknowledged and shall be very helpful in determining what goes there.

Sohara is indeed not a 100% tsundere, but her personality traits are very in-line with those of a typical tsundere. She goes from inflicting (non-fatal) pain on Tomoki to near baby-making mode. She doesn't go so far as to outright deny her feelings or say famous tsundere lines like "I-it's not that I like you or anything!" but the timing of pain-inflicting, blushing, and jealous moments all match those of tsunderes. A comparative example that comes to mind is how Kotegawa (100% tsundere) acts in the ToLoveRu OVA 4.


yes indeed Sohara has to be a tsundere with the way she acts

as well as not completely a tsundere for not speaking their lingo...

after all isn't it a tsundere's job to harm her love interest

to make him think that she doesn't care about him?


episode 5 is a walk episode to remember ;)

since nymph is finally together with the group :)

i don't think she's bad but i feel like she is going to

cause problems for tomoki in the next episodes.....

i really don't think that she is an enemy but i also wonder

what the angel in the dream warned tomoki about?
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I may have wrote a little bit too much so - fucking spoilered!
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Bentoss wrote...
hermitVI wrote...
To me, it appeared to be the work of the "anti lewd-behavior mechanism" in her body more than of jealousy taking its form. It sure wouldn't count as an act which could incriminate someone of being tsundere either way.


Lets not forget that Rito is perverted but doesn't openly show it, he's just unlucky bastards who's face or hands is always around inappropriate areas. Where as Tomoki is clearly perverted and is somewhat not afraid to admit it or show it.

So I take you disagree with my concept of the anti-L(Ecchi)BM though I'd say it's just the result of your own misinterpretation. And sure I welcome everyone to share their ideas but at least tell me something that I still don't know about.

ZeroOBK wrote...
Admittedly, I didn't draw that comparison with "timely jealous" in mind. TLR OVA 4 is more representative of "timely pain-inflicting" and "timely blushing". Yui Kotegawa is "timely jealous" elsewhere.

To add on to my assumptions, when you brought up Yui in TLR OVA 4 as an auxiliary to the topic, my initial concern actually was that she, alongside Tsundere, was gonna be the main focus of the episode. My bad for thinking a liiitlle bit way ahead of you right there but what's up with you being defensive all of a sudden. I never did accuse you of drawing any distinct comparison with regards to such "moments of jealousy" which a tsundere might have. I only asked you how having a jealous seizure could relate to the timely pain-inflicting and blushing or any other qualities/requirements of earning the T-label.

Also, wouldn't a typical tsundere normally turn cold toward the apple of her eyes whenever jealousy erupts? I can understand if "indecency" (like in TLR) is involved but when Sohara assaulted Tomo, it came from nothing more but a childish-envy than of a tsundereish-jealousy.

ZeroOBK wrote...
Nah. The "anti-lewd behavior mechanism" is used more as a pretense than anything else after she gets attracted to Rito. If she's in a perverted event with Rito she's more likely to do the usual "Pervert!" yell while "timely pain-inducing" takes place.

Guess I would have to hand it to you since you clearly know much more about her character than me who only saw the series but never really gotten far into reading the manga.

Still, I can't help but think that her character is inconsistent. You're more or less saying that she got "jealous" over Rito('s face) and Haruna('s ass) short intimacy and thus the beat down ensued. But given her personality, and as clearly evident throughout the episode, she wouldn't even allow Rito to see as much of her already exposed tits nor even get a momentary glimpse or her undies. So needless to wonder what would have happened in case she was in Haruna's position back in the teleportation-drop.

ZeroOBK wrote...
Just let me reiterate here ... Sohara's personality uses tsundere as a base, it doesn't describe her perfectly. She's much more amiable than a lot of tsunderes and quite a bit more tolerant of the love interest's "odd behaviors".

Fair enough. Still, the fact that I would have to concede for my lack of knowledge(care) on the subject matter only makes me even more sick of them tsundere archetypes rather than draw me in onto learning more about them. Well, I do have some exceptions and Sohara may in fact be one of them, if so she is; so be it (amen).

leunam wrote...
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hermitVI wrote...
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Also, has Takamura decided to go on a training camp all by himself?! :shock:


i really hoped it was him for bonus comedic effects

All musclebound men look alike to me for some reason. I just can't tell them apart.
^here's your "comedic effect" - not in the episode itself but as far as my post was ever concerned.

leunam wrote...
after all isn't it a tsundere's job to harm her love interest to make him think that she doesn't care about him?

I could care less if you're saying this in general. However, if you're saying that this goes with Sohara's tsundereish acts, then I will have to ask you: where/when did she commit a crime as such?

leunam wrote...
i really don't think that she is an enemy but i also wonder what the angel in the dream warned tomoki about?

Watch out of Nymph, what else? Remember, nothing's ever coincidental in anime. When someone suddenly pops out of nowhere and not long after, someone else, without much warning, gives you a very vague heads up - most often times than not, it signifies some sort of connection between those two parallel events.


EDIT:

@ZeroOBK: I was caught in the moment of my being rebellious so I just realized I wrote something in contrast of what I already did understand. Struck out swinging!

PS: Dragon Quest FTW! (TLR OVA 4 relevant)
^I simply needed to rid that off of my chest...
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Since everything else is more a difference of perspective (ie "childish envy" vs. "tsundereish-jealousy"):

hermitVI wrote...
My bad for thinking a liiitlle bit way ahead of you right there but what's up with you being defensive all of a sudden.

Sorry. I thought my previous statement had misled you on what to look for, which was my fault since I didn't mention specifics. So I was just correcting myself.

hermitVI wrote...
Still, I can't help but think that her character is inconsistent. You're more or less saying that she got "jealous" over Rito('s face) and Haruna('s ass) short intimacy and thus the beat down ensued. But given her personality, and as clearly evident throughout the episode, she wouldn't even allow Rito to see as much of her already exposed tits nor even get a momentary glimpse or her undies. So needless to wonder what would have happened in case she was in Haruna's position back in the teleportation-drop.

I think that's just one of the traits of tsunderes that just doesn't make sense at all, yet is still persistent in the archetype. It has probably existed within the archetype even before the creation of Love Hina's Naru. If I were to try and explain it, I would say that you witnessed is the inner conflict between jealousy and embarrassment (or possibly pride). The tsundere doesn't want other girls to get close to the love interest, but are unable to admit their feelings to the love interest (and maybe even to herself).

Edit: I saw that you struck that part out, but I thought it was worth mentioning anyways.

hermitVI wrote...
only makes me even more sick of them tsundere archetypes rather than draw me in onto learning more about them.

Well, unfortunately, tsundere is one of the fundamental character archetypes. You just need to hope that there will be less tsundere stereotypes in the future.
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hermitVI wrote...

Bentoss wrote...
hermitVI wrote...
To me, it appeared to be the work of the "anti lewd-behavior mechanism" in her body more than of jealousy taking its form. It sure wouldn't count as an act which could incriminate someone of being tsundere either way.


Lets not forget that Rito is perverted but doesn't openly show it, he's just unlucky bastards who's face or hands is always around inappropriate areas. Where as Tomoki is clearly perverted and is somewhat not afraid to admit it or show it.

So I take you disagree with my concept of the anti-L(Ecchi)BM though I'd say it's just the result of your own misinterpretation. And sure I welcome everyone to share their ideas but at least tell me something that I still don't know about.


hahaha rito and tomoki are indeed so different :lol:

i think he means that rito isn't really behaving pervertedly

so the anti lewd behavior whatever thing do not match your reasoning


hermitVI wrote...
leunam wrote...
after all isn't it a tsundere's job to harm her love interest to make him think that she doesn't care about him?

I could care less if you're saying this in general. However, if you're saying that this goes with Sohara's tsundereish acts, then I will have to ask you: where/when did she commit a crime as such?


yes i should have been more specific

i didn't say that specifically for sohara

but to answer your question of what makes a tsundere?


why be so mean to us hermitVI?
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I was surprised again like last week.
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I didnt expected Nymph to be in the episode so early at the start. I imagined her finally getting introduced but not until the episode is almost finished.
Her trait was just as I suspected to be, not easily likable but barely despicable.
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She even helped Tomo save Sohara from drowning.
She hasn't fit in yet but she is definitely a most welcome addition to the group. Again, another good episode.
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since there has been a talk about charcter types

specially about tsundere types of characters already

i just thought i'll ask if nymph is also a tsundere

or if she's something else that is specially different?

i think the way she acted was just weird but also feels tsundere

so i'm not really sure :|

i got a little interested in her after reading undeadfOx post :)
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I think it's just to early to tell if Nymph really is a tsundere or not but personally I don't think she is. I also think that for someone to become a tsundere, she must first be able to like or love someone and obviously, she's not with Tomo. She might be interested but since they only just met, I think it's not even possible. If there's one thing that I'm sure that Nymph is interested with, it is Ikaros. But since she's not treating Ikaros like Tomo, in the end, I don't think she's a tsundere.
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undeadf0x wrote...
I think it's just to early to tell if Nymph really is a tsundere or not but personally I don't think she is. I also think that for someone to become a tsundere, she must first be able to like or love someone and obviously, she's not with Tomo. She might be interested but since they only just met, I think it's not even possible. If there's one thing that I'm sure that Nymph is interested with, it is Ikaros. But since she's not treating Ikaros like Tomo, in the end, I don't think she's a tsundere.


what about when nymph

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was being harrassed by some delinquents

and when tomoki came to help her

she just suddenly became quiet?

and after the incident was resolved

she even followed tomoki and ikaros

with a sympathy-looking face...
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leunam wrote...
why be so mean to us hermitVI?

No, I didn't think I ever acted rudely in response to anyone here, not at all. You and anybody else are free to argue about it but hey, does it really even matter?

Spoiler:
To give closure to what should have been past-tense already, Kotegawa Yui shall not give a damn about who truly initiated the contact of whatsoever "acts of lasciviousness" which Rito was ever involved with; he shall always be the one to take blame for everything, regardless.


leunam wrote...
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was being harrassed by some delinquents

and when tomoki came to help her

she just suddenly became quiet?

and after the incident was resolved

she even followed tomoki and ikaros

with a sympathy-looking face...

Nymph sure has some decent acting skills. I take you're no longer a kid (should at least be 18 ) so go figure it on your own. Go watch the episode again if necessary as I'm in no mood to go over the details myself.

ZeroOBK wrote...
I saw that you struck that part out, but I thought it was worth mentioning anyways.

Likewise, that's why I only struck it out instead of entirely deleting it.

ZeroOBK wrote...
hermitVI wrote...
only makes me even more sick of them tsundere archetypes rather than draw me in onto learning more about them.

Well, unfortunately, tsundere is one of the fundamental character archetypes. You just need to hope that there will be less tsundere stereotypes in the future.

Well of course, just who doesn't hate the generic(s - except for drugs; "cheaper") anyway?
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leunam wrote...


what about when nymph

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was being harrassed by some delinquents

and when tomoki came to help her

she just suddenly became quiet?

and after the incident was resolved

she even followed tomoki and ikaros

with a sympathy-looking face...


If you still remember the change in Nymph's expression when Ikaros emitted her power, I think she only made it look that way so that she can do what she really came after. If you can also still remember when she sighed, I think she did it not because of feeling sympathy but because her plan was interrupted by Tomo. I guess she came to observe Ikaros and for that she needs to follow her wherever she goes.
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undeadf0x wrote...
leunam wrote...


what about when nymph

Spoiler:
was being harrassed by some delinquents

and when tomoki came to help her

she just suddenly became quiet?

and after the incident was resolved

she even followed tomoki and ikaros

with a sympathy-looking face...


If you still remember the change in Nymph's expression when Ikaros emitted her power, I think she only made it look that way so that she can do what she really came after. If you can also still remember when she sighed, I think she did it not because of feeling sympathy but because her plan was interrupted by Tomo. I guess she came to observe Ikaros and for that she needs to follow her wherever she goes.

Don't forget the most important fact - like Ikaros, Nymph's an angeloid too! So OBVIOUSLY, we humans are just as puny as "bugs" for her to have any difficulty dealing with.

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Such a devious expression(smile) indeed.
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I think some people will not like what they are going to see in the episode..... It's Back to School and Back to Life! -_-;
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Kadushy Douchebag
The show is getting intense. I can't wait for the next episode~
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Episode 7:
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I really liked this episode. I have come to the conclusion that Tomoki is actually a well-created character. Like most guys, he has a perverted side (and it only goes overboard when used for comedic effect), and he cares for those around him and will listen to their advice as well. For example, he brought up how he didn't really want Ikaros and Nymph in school, and Sugata brings up how school may "normalize" them, thus pointing out a contradiction between Tomoki's view and his actions. Tomoki re-asserts his view and feels it was fine for the Angeloids to continue going to school.
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Kadushy wrote...
The show is getting intense. I can't wait for the next episode~


It is getting ugly right?
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Kadushy Douchebag
undeadf0x wrote...
Kadushy wrote...
The show is getting intense. I can't wait for the next episode~


It is getting ugly right?

?????? It's getting intense as in getting more into the story now instead of Fanservice episodes which were awesome.
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wow, i forgot that this show was coming out...now i feel left behind!
T__T

*dashes off to watch show*