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sv51macross wrote...
Captain Badass wrote...
ShaggyJebus wrote...
Yeah, how dare they be overly concerned about our safety! I hope this makes them ease the fuck up, so guns can be shipped here from overseas without anyone being the wiser.Thanks Shaggy, for the only other wise answer on this idiotic thread.
WTF do you expect them to do with the guns? Send them to Toys R' Us? Those guns dont have serial numbers, which makes them untraceable. Do you know what that means? That means that any ol' person can waltz in and buy the gun, replace the necessary components, go shoot up a married couple in the park, and get away with it.
Do you want more guns in the hands of drug runners? How about Terrorists? Gang members? No, I hope you dont! For once, our government does something right, and you have the nerve to complain about it? Shit, I'd happily pay money out of my own pocket to have those guns destroyed!
And its not like they can replace the parts and give them to cops or soldiers. Because owning a gun without a serial # is a crime. It allows the worst kinds of people to get away with the worst kinds of crimes. In fact, I think there needs to be stricter security!
Ummmm...
I'm not sure if this is sarcasm or not. You do know that, despite a great deal of similarity, you would have to not only mill-out the lower and install a real FA FCG, but replace the airsoft BCG with a real one, add a gas system that won't melt after a couple rounds, replace the barrel, replace the buffer/spring...
It literally would be less expensive and safer to go in some back alley in Florida and buy an actual M16 from some Mexican's trunk. There is no way in hell that you can make these airsoft toys fire real ammo without having some kind of catastrophic detonation in the first several rounds. these toys, while similar in weight and even field-strip, are still made of metals far inferior to the real life counterparts. Anyone who says otherwise is clearly not familiar with an actual gun or is trying to justify something.
And while these photos are of a genuine Colt AR-15 (after firing a bad round), this is approximately what you should expect if you were actually dumb enough to try and fire a cartridge of any loading through an airsoft gun.
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/11/20/colt-ar-15-kaboom/
earlshaggwell wrote...
Further inspection by Alcohol, Firearm and Tobacco agents concluded the guns in their current format were designed to shoot plastic balls, but by replacing a few internal components with machine gun components, the guns would be able to fire live ammunition
i'd like more elaboration on which components. "machine gun components" is a little vauge. could they mean the receiver, chamber, firing mechanism, and barrel?
In other words...the whole goddamn rifle!
For the record: These are NOT airsoft guns. They are made of metal, have a standard size barrel etc. It's basically a M4 converted to shoot plastic objects. It doesn't take much to convert it back to shoot bullets. These don't belong on the street, even if they are fake. There is no reason to have a fake gun look that real unless you're using it to commit crimes or intimidate people.
It was a $10,000 shipment of guns. Thats $250 per gun. And thats from Taiwan! If you include the markup that the "buyers" of these guns would have increase the price, you would end up with a $300-350 airsoft gun. And WHY were these guns unmarked and missing the orange tip? If someone did pay $250 a gun, dont you think they would have recieved them in a marked package? Either way, its highly suspicious, and these guns need to be kept off the streets.
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Captain Badass wrote...
Spoiler:
For the record: These are NOT airsoft guns. They are made of metal, have a standard size barrel etc. It's basically a M4 converted to shoot plastic objects. It doesn't take much to convert it back to shoot bullets. These don't belong on the street, even if they are fake. There is no reason to have a fake gun look that real unless you're using it to commit crimes or intimidate people.
It was a $10,000 shipment of guns. Thats $250 per gun. And thats from Taiwan! If you include the markup that the "buyers" of these guns would have increase the price, you would end up with a $300-350 airsoft gun. And WHY were these guns unmarked and missing the orange tip? If someone did pay $250 a gun, dont you think they would have recieved them in a marked package? Either way, its highly suspicious, and these guns need to be kept off the streets.
Oh, so you personally have had the opportunity to examine these toys and compare their barrels, receivers, BCGs and FCGs to a real AR-15/M-16, and run strength and density tests on the metals of the barrels/receivers to compare to that of the real thing?
And let's get something out of the way, there are things called airsoft skirmishes, where people get together and fight using these things. I can see the need for a realistic gun, and even realistic field-strip in some cases. People don;t buy airsoft to intimidate, they buy them because they want to play war and real bullets hurt alot, or they live in a place that doesn't allow real guns to be owned. and the orange tip? guess what, that could be chalked-up to a shipping error, as quite a few airsoft guns come with replaceable muzzles. The orange tip is only a legal requirement when it's sold, the owner may change the tip or paint over it if she/she so chooses.
The fact of the matter is, as I have said before, that these are still toys made from sub-par metals and would not hold-up to even semi-automatic firing of real cartridges. The barrels are made of metal that would not stand up to the 60,000+ psi of a real cartridge and are bored for standard airsoft BBs, which are of a different caliber anyway. The truth is in the cost, if you apply an ounce of logic. These shipped for, what, $250 a pop? A real, new-build M4 from Colt or FN-H costs the US Govt. about $800 each. Now, a Taiwanese company not only reverse-engineered the M4, but also developed new parts to make it look like a toy, and then sold them for 1/3 the cost of the real thing? Or what actually happened, that the engineering and metals quality are just high enough to operate reliably with silicone-lubed CO2 and plastic BBs.
Your opinion comes from pure conjecture and a lack of information about the way a real gun works. The simple fact of the matter is that you cannot make a real gun fire BBs and you cannot make a BB gun fire real rounds. And if you are going by the ATF's opinion, remember,the ATF is the same agency that: Produced an official traning video on how to lie under oath, prosecuted someone for owning a machinegun for a FAL that slam-fired once, taped together an AK parts kit so it would fire a round, and was behind the Waco, Texas massacre.
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In Captain Badass' defense. You could convert a toy to like that to be a real gun however the amount of work, materials and machining necessary would cost more than it would to just buy an M4 in the first place.