Anti smoking law and how far it should go
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Well, this has a slight story I need to tell first. In Germany the state decided to prohibit smoking in cafés, restaurants, pubs and basicly all kind of places where food / drinks are consumed indoors (outdoors it is still allowed and indoors if a specific smoker room is designated.
Now I am a non- smoker, but it still slightly ticked me off. I used to play jazz and blues on the piano every now and than in this nice, small a little smokey café. But due to the new rules, somehow the atmosphere is gone.
Now what I'd really like to know is what your opinion is about Anti smoking laws in general and how far they are supposed to go.
In my opinion, I don't mind smoking as long as it isn't in high class restaurants when you try to eat something delicious and directly next to you someone smokes one cigarette after another. (I don't ind cigars and neither pipe).
Whats your call on these kind of restraints for smokers, how far should it go and whats the limit?
NOTE: Hospitals, schools and other official buildings have prohibited it aswell, so the first 2 voting options are with these included.
Now I am a non- smoker, but it still slightly ticked me off. I used to play jazz and blues on the piano every now and than in this nice, small a little smokey café. But due to the new rules, somehow the atmosphere is gone.
Now what I'd really like to know is what your opinion is about Anti smoking laws in general and how far they are supposed to go.
In my opinion, I don't mind smoking as long as it isn't in high class restaurants when you try to eat something delicious and directly next to you someone smokes one cigarette after another. (I don't ind cigars and neither pipe).
Whats your call on these kind of restraints for smokers, how far should it go and whats the limit?
NOTE: Hospitals, schools and other official buildings have prohibited it aswell, so the first 2 voting options are with these included.
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I smoke, and I see why people don't want me smoking at restaurants and places the elderly and young go, but bars and shit I don't get.
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i dont smoke and i cant stand it if even one person doesnt want someone smoking in a public place why should that one person have to deal with it because of that persons addiction/habbit i say ban it everywhere public.
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Well see the problem is that why does that one person that doesn't like smoking have more rights than the person that does? I know that people say second hand smoke, but that still hasn't been proven. This logic makes even less sense when you are dealing with people smoking outside. My smoke will not effect you outside anymore than the death air you breath in everyday.
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its the paranoia of second hand smoke that gets to people. while each person has the same rights there willing to try and ban it so there is no risk period theres always the what if factor.
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Yeah I do see that, but truely do people think that in the have hour they are eatting there fish that the guy 4 booths down smoking will damage their lungs beyond repare? Besides as Denis Leary says " Smoking takes ten years of your life. Yeah the ten worst years!"
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the thing is more people complain about smoking then people who complain about people are complaining about smoking. anti smoking has the truth or something group who does the anti smoking ads.
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oh jus remembred there makin ciggarete companys make there packets plain white so it don't look like advertising ... plus no ciggarete ad's here
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Those "Truth" ads are such lies, but I do find some of them funny. I know it seems that smoking is this hidden dispicable thing. Maybe it is the people I know, but everyone I work with my friend random people seem to smoke as well. I mean maybe its because "Big tabacco" can't make their own group but to me it just seems like both side are just passing missinformation, and everyone should just lighten up.
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most people fear death and when it has the potential to disrupt there happy world they will do everything they can to eliminate that factor so they cant simply lighten up fear keeps them from it.
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You can die from any and everything. I mean I drive a car with no airbag, but ever if I had one I am so short that the bag would open and shove my nose bone right into my brain. So a bad front end colision means death for me, but I have to drive to get to work. Breathing this air we have now in this world is a danger everyday. If you fear death there is really no point in living, but I am moving from the topic so I will stop. I still say where kids and elderly are than no smoking everywhere else should be fine.
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I always suggest equating it to any other drug use. No one would tolerate someone stabbing someone else and shooting them up with any of the injection drugs or even forcing a bottle of booze in someone else's mouth (yes, in both cases there's a number of folks who'd gleefully volunteer. There's far more who would object) My point is that with any drug who's delivery system isn't releasing particles into the air and then inhaling them, forcing others around you to take them is clearly assault. Why should it be any different because after you took your dose, you disbursed the remainder of the drug out into the air around you. It's a bit like taking a big mouthful of booze, swallowing about half, then spitting the rest on everyone around you. And I doubt the ass beating that would come from spitting your unswallowed alcohol on people would be deterred by the argument that you weren't forcing them to be around you and they could wander away. Yet it's seen as just fine when it's an airborne agent with strong links to cancer and a list of other diseases because ...why?
To be clear, I don't feel smoking is a smart thing to do and do have a mental hang up about it (small toyota + chain smoking parents who wanted it thick enough they couldn't smell fresh air = a bit of a twitch later in life). That said, I do feel you have the right to smoke so long as it effects only you or your fellow smokers, or those who choose to be around you *and* are capable of understanding said choice. For example, I've got a friend I've known for 16 years or so who smokes who I share an apartment with. I'm an old man, my grandfather died from cancer in multiple organs due to smoking and my uncle is doing his best to do the same. I'm well aware of the risks, so I know that being around him when he smokes can lead to some pretty bad things (yes, I know my chances are less than his, but that's a bit like saying there's no risk to playing russian roulette with one bullet compared to playing it with two.). On the other hand, kids and animals don't really understand the risks, they just know they want to be around you. They just aren't able to make an informed decision, so one shouldn't smoke around them. I realize I've probably got an unpopular opinion on this.
To be clear, I don't feel smoking is a smart thing to do and do have a mental hang up about it (small toyota + chain smoking parents who wanted it thick enough they couldn't smell fresh air = a bit of a twitch later in life). That said, I do feel you have the right to smoke so long as it effects only you or your fellow smokers, or those who choose to be around you *and* are capable of understanding said choice. For example, I've got a friend I've known for 16 years or so who smokes who I share an apartment with. I'm an old man, my grandfather died from cancer in multiple organs due to smoking and my uncle is doing his best to do the same. I'm well aware of the risks, so I know that being around him when he smokes can lead to some pretty bad things (yes, I know my chances are less than his, but that's a bit like saying there's no risk to playing russian roulette with one bullet compared to playing it with two.). On the other hand, kids and animals don't really understand the risks, they just know they want to be around you. They just aren't able to make an informed decision, so one shouldn't smoke around them. I realize I've probably got an unpopular opinion on this.
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Moses wrote...
Yeah I do see that, but truely do people think that in the have hour they are eatting there fish that the guy 4 booths down smoking will damage their lungs beyond repare? Besides as Denis Leary says " Smoking takes ten years of your life. Yeah the ten worst years!"How long it takes varies. It probably cost my grandfather about 15 years given how long his brothers who didn't smoke lived/are living. My uncle is probably gonna loose closer to 20-25.
Also, what does it say that the latest drug to help folks stop smoking only effects the part of the brain the processes the euphoria caused by drugs. The studies show that without the high, people generally stop smoking within just a couple days.
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honestly i smoke and i feel they ban it in certain place[ ie schools hospitals and retirement homes] but honestly i think i should have the right to smoke in a fuckin bar or a diner. i dont want to hear complaints about you dont like second-hand smoke. if i have to listen to that asshole kid of yours bitch all through my meal and watch grandpa over there eat while his teeth are sitting next to him and not say anything about it, i deserve i smoke.
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im a non-smoker and i dont like seeing ppl smoke cuz i think that all ur doing is trien to kill urself.....
but this rule about banning it in place like bars or w/e...is going to far
idk i think its there choice and if the ppl who dont like them smoking can either say something to them or leave...simple as that...
but this rule about banning it in place like bars or w/e...is going to far
idk i think its there choice and if the ppl who dont like them smoking can either say something to them or leave...simple as that...
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I love them and support them. If people want to smoke, it's their choice if they want commit a slow suicide. But it is also my choice not to breath their exhaled smoke. (which is disgusting is so many ways).
Smokers act like they're banning smoking all together. They can still smoke in their homes, car, or outside. Just don't do it when I'm trying to eat.
Smokers act like they're banning smoking all together. They can still smoke in their homes, car, or outside. Just don't do it when I'm trying to eat.
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I for one would say it would be fine to force bar owners, restaurants, diners, cafée's and the like to just decide if they want to allow smokers or not. I know that it hit's many small bar's and pubs hard that are there for "The beer and the company after watching soccer" and the like. We got quite a few of those around here which are about to close down due to the "Seperated smoker room rule".
Of course, I don't like people smoking in a restaurant near me, but heck, somehow in a bar or pub the atmosphere is just gone. A jazz café (yes I detest discos so I am mostly there) without smoke, good music and good coffee is like a house without windows. Of course it works, but something is just missing.
Anyways to loosen up the atmosphere here is a fun saying in both original and translated language that I read as small child:
original: "Alkohol und Nikotin, rafft die halbe Menschheit hin, doch ohne Nikotin und Rauch, stirbt die andere Hälfte auch."
translation: "Alcohol and nicotin is killing half the folk, but without nicotin and smoke, dies the other half aswell." (Rhymes better in german :))
Of course, I don't like people smoking in a restaurant near me, but heck, somehow in a bar or pub the atmosphere is just gone. A jazz café (yes I detest discos so I am mostly there) without smoke, good music and good coffee is like a house without windows. Of course it works, but something is just missing.
Anyways to loosen up the atmosphere here is a fun saying in both original and translated language that I read as small child:
original: "Alkohol und Nikotin, rafft die halbe Menschheit hin, doch ohne Nikotin und Rauch, stirbt die andere Hälfte auch."
translation: "Alcohol and nicotin is killing half the folk, but without nicotin and smoke, dies the other half aswell." (Rhymes better in german :))