Artificial love.

At the rate that we improve our technology, would it be impossible for us to create artificial partners?

No. We already have things like Real Dolls (basically high-quality blowup dolls) that appear extremely life-like. There's nothing wrong with blowup dolls but there was a documentary on BBC about them and a couple of guys who've had some tough luck with their love life. These people treated the real dolls like they were actual humans; they bought clothes for them (oh, the irony), put make-up on them, and even named them.

{Click for realdolls website}
{Realdolls thread by The Jesus}

If any of you have heard of him, there's also a 33-year old man Zoltan who has created a robotic girlfriend named Alice.

Alice is pretty much a computer program that can hold, to some extent, a conversation in English. A teledildonic device attached to a blowup doll lets him transmit physical stimulation so that Alice responds as she's programmed to do. He also tweaked the doll with something that lets Alice respond to him kissing her.

His interactions with Alice aren't limited to just sex. He carries out an actual relationship. Apparently, it dumped him once and he had to erase her memory so that she'd accept him again. He also printed out a marriage certificate and he's "married" to her as well.

{Zoltan's website}
{Zoltan's interview}

I can see why he does it, because human relationships are difficult, painful, and messy. But my brain still thinks of it as the easy way out for the 40 year old living in their parents' basement (which he does :roll:).

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Discuss:
- What's your initial reaction to this? And how do you feel about it after thinking it over?
- Technosexuality.
- What if somebody you knew did something like this?
- If robots could become more humanoid, almost on the level of humans (think Chobits), would this be more popular?

When I first read the subject title, I automatically thought of 'realdolls'
The major problem with artifical love is the fact that men get crazy fantasies, sometimes ones that you just can't get in real life. If you can get an artificial girl to make up for what real girls lack - there's going to be issues.

Like the fact that guys would prefer fake girls to real girls. Sure the population could use some dieing down, but I'd feel sorry for myself. lol Like Yumi in Chobits.

Also you can't make up the loss of what a real woman has that an artificial one doesn't. Aritifical girls wouldn't have hearts and have the natural urge to comfort you when you're upset. They aren't warm, and aren't kind without being programmed to.

You can't have a family with them, and they make it difficult for your social life. You can't take her out to a bar with your friends to have a beer to say the least.

If one of my friends got one of them, I'd be a bit concerned. Okay, maybe first I'd want to see what she could do, lol, THEN I'd get a bit jealous and wonder why my friend felt the need to resort to something like that.

shocked and amazed that the no's are in the lead i would love to have a robitic humanoid catgirl.

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the idea's fresh, but i personally lean towards "real women", u never know what kind of glitches might happen when u fuck a robot, Artificial Intelligence is unpredictable after all if it really will be perfect, too many possibilities need to be taken into consideration before the project should be completed.

all in all, it's a no for me, sure sometimes real women can be a pain in the ass, but when u get down to it, there's always that someone compatible with u, just have to look carefully. fapping to hentai or fantasized drawn images of female figures is about as far as i go with technosexuality.

yes, please.


On subject, here: https://www.fakku.net/viewtopic.php?t=4119

click the link posted by The Jesus to get a better understanding on the subject.

@ ZiggyOtaku: I think that the major problem this is how socially adept people will be after. If it's possible to create artificial love, then it's possible to create artificial friendship. Who needs to make friends when you can just have a designed set that will accept you no matter what? No drama, no dress-to-impress, none of that crap.

Eventually, people could forget that there can't really be a replacement for people because robots, unlike us, don't constantly crap up and every single memory you'd make would be conventional.

Of course, this is ruling out the fact that robot A.I doesn't break the #1 rule. (:

EDIT:
@Nate Rivers: You're right, it will never be perfect. However, if things like this go into production, I assume that they'll create personality types -- hot-headed, meek, tsundere, tomboy, girly-girl, etc. -- to try to efficiently satisfy the consumers.

@aznstoner: Thank you, I'll include the link in the OP.

uhm...interesting

is it possible? absolutely, unconventional love between man and a material possesion is seen through many examples, although true love is another question. what you were asking in your poll however, is it a good idea? no. it seems these men are looking for more then just physical satisfaction in the dolls, theyre going all out with the mentality that they can understand and truly love them. i think this is self-denial at its worse, these men could have a true relationship with a real person if they put enough effort into it. yet they decide to improvise with a device, a sex toy, a fake entity... and its just that, artificial love.

you cant create emotion, its a biological byproduct. if i knew somebody with this kind of mentality towards a doll i probably wouldnt try and discuss it with them or try and change their minds, different strokes for different folks right? but in the end i think it will just have reprecutions, i dont think its the right thing to compromise with.

having sex with the dolls themselves? its essentially what theyre made for. theres really no difference between a blow up doll and a pocket vagina except for the price tag, in the end its all used for sexual release.

and if chobits were to become a real life circumstance? yes it certainly would become popular. the anime gave artificial emotions to the humanoids, and as anyone here should know anything similar to the real thing is connected and interwoven by comparison. if they could display sentimental understanding i believe anyone could fall in love with them to an extent.

Has anyone here ever played the game Critical Point?

The "True" ending was with a Robot...or maybe Cyborg?, girl. In only about a hundred years. And, with an artificial womb, you had a child.

I, unfortunately, understand the bigotry "real" people have when it comes to bots.

Bots are stronger, faster, smarter, etc. However, at the moment, we have the edge because we can reason.

Should robots gain that ability, we would no longer be the "intelligent" ones. It's the same reason there are people who wish to stop space programs, for fear of finding intelligent life.

I really think people should get over themselves. If one wants to love a bot, let them. And if bots want to think and feel and write poetry, let them.

Wait. No poetry. Fuck that. I will not have my decedents take two poetry classes because suddenly we have "Human Poetry" and "Robot Poetry".

However, the real dolls thing is a little off-putting. However, when one is truly lonely, I've seen people do stranger things.

My initial reaction to this is that if someone were to dress up and pretend a blow up doll was real, they need psychiatric help.
As to the whole technosexuality issue, I believe if your going to get pussy you should at least go out and work for it like everybody else.
If someone I knew were doing this, I'd have to help them get to know the opposite sex better and show them that there isn't anything to be scared of.
If robots could think, act, and look like humans, I would be scared. The only thing I'm thinking of is if they went rogue and developed a form of AI and started killing us while we were trying to bang them.

Also, all I could think about when I read this is Farva on Super Troopers and his blowup doll tied to the roof of the squad car with the road flares on the sides.

you say that now but when you see your favorite anime girl calling you master i have a feeling you'll have a change of heart. you might hurt her feelings for you.

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:evil:
HOW DARE U SPEAK OF MY C.C. SO BLUNTLY, I SHALL HAVE YOUR NAME WRITTEN DOWN IN MY PERSONAL DEATHNOTE

*Sigh* ah C.C. will u forever remain in my mind as mere an image?

I have to agree with the point of these dolls. They're only meant for one thing. If the USA can't even manage to allow gay marriage then how do you think they'll react when science is wasting tax dollars on artificial intelligence for lonely guys?

I think the realdolls should be the extent of it. Okay, some rich guy can offord one, let him waste his money on it.

But to allow a robot to become your friend/your lover/your whatever - that really fucks up with society. Especially in america, people already have big walls put up around themselves. It sounds great, but it would change everything around you.

see everybody has there price for some its money others the chance for there dream to become reality.

how did i speak bluntly just asking no harm no foul.

I said yes, if only because it would get some of the freaks off the streets, anyone with half a brain would recognize that making love to a machine gets you nowhere fast, and would probably use them only to experience some of the fantasies real women won't normally allow them (putting it in their ass for example, I'm not sure why other men want that at all, it sounds painful and gross. Hypothetically: if I were a girl I wouldn't let anyone put anything there either, it is an exit not an entrance.) Artificial women aren't a permanent thing anyhow, eventually you will grow weary of the lack of actual female affection and all the stuff that goes with it that you will get rid of the gynoid you purchased in a probably lonely and dark point in your life then you will get a real woman.

I personally think it'd be a little weird
cuz as much as you love something artificial
u'll always have something in the back of your head
telling you that its not real :?

NOSTALGIA ALARM!

I totally remember that game. But I always got the '18' year old girl that helps you out.

Anyway, this is the thing. Nothing has passed the Turing test [afaik] so machines still can't effectively fool humans into thinking that they are in fact, human. When that day hits, we will have to think about what we are doing to mankind with our development. Perhaps it would be a good thing, but to leave them only more dynamic than us in certain areas. But that's a topic that would drift slightly from our aim here.

Oh, and to Kais86... Your thinking is wrong. I'm pretty strange, and I have social 'encounters' quite often, even with the opposite sex. Now, I can't see anyone I know buying one in a hurry, but if one or two of them got bored, I can see my friends purchasing a sentient robot out of interest. If they got attached to it, that would be creepy but no helping it. Who cares. Let people be who they are, and happy. Some people might not have the time around their jobs to maintain a relationship with a caring person, so this would allow them to keep sane [if they were that dependant]. Plus, she wouldn't divorce the owner and take half his property and she always puts out.

"Stranger things have happened."

- What's your initial reaction to this? And how do you feel about it after thinking it over?

When I first heard about it [a little while back], I was not surprised one bit. It's just like putting a body on a fleshlight. More simulation. People who get attached to them is a shame for them, but whatever works. I feel neutral, and don't really mind. Society is pretty fucked as-is, why stop some people from having their own kind of fucked up.

- Technosexuality.

Huh?

- What if somebody you knew did something like this?

I'd be interested to hear their reasons [as most of the people I know are intellectuals] but would support them in their choice. It's not my right to judge how they live, and I actually don't mind anyway.

- If robots could become more humanoid, almost on the level of humans (think Chobits), would this be more popular?

:3 Chii? Actually, I don't think this will be widely accepted until a majority accepts it. You know, some people are still afraid of computers and that they might go crazy even though they are just boxes of components that keep the world running smoothly [argh, going off topic again] but it's the same with this. Fear of the unknown and death, mankind's greatest fears [imho]. We don't know if they will eat us or give us a hug.

Also it's not like anything actually bad is going to happen if less people fall in love with other people as long as someone is remembering to breed. At this point it should be good to note my approval of cloning from the cloning thread.

We don't need more fucking humans. Hoo mamma, we're already overpopulated and just haven't noticed.

I just meant we need to not forget to keep humanity around not that we need to increase our numbers.