religion, oh god... gods!

If there is such a thing as God and Lucifer and what not (I lean towards yes simply because heaven would be nice...) I would say that what we read in the bible might not be truth. History is written by the victor. Thus, Lucifer might not have been a villain, but a revolutionary. Think MLK. Perhaps he saw a way to make heaven better and was shunned for seeking change and made to look worse than he actually was. Perhaps "Hell" Is lucifers version of heaven.. maybe its better???? But my mind has already been manipulated into wanting to head to God's heaven so... yeah. Nuff of that.

I don't even know any more. I'm still trying to believe why I'm around such stupid people twenty-four seven.

Religion is blatantly made up. Who the hell actually believes that a mystic sky daddy just decided to create all of this cosmic shit? Just because we can't understand the origin of matter/energy doesn't mean that an omniscient being is surveying how you use your penis.

Hey, if believing what you want to believe gets you through the day, good on you. Just don't force it on anybody else.

The best way to describe me is probably this: I am an exsistential/moral nihilist.

And no, I am not questioning if we do exist or not, I simply believe life to be a random occurence void of any meaning. We simply exist; nothing more, nothing less, and we will cease to exist one day. We are without purpose, all our social constructs are created by pure chance, there is no deeper meaning behind the fact that it is illegal to kill/rape/[insert random illegal thing here], humans just decided to make it so. Our lives are insignificant; even if mankind was wiped out tomorrow it would mean nothing to the big picture.

Even the big picture is meaningless. Rather, in your case there is no such thing as a big picture.

Yes, there is no big picture, however I thought it would be easier to explain by using that term. It is a force of habit I have developed after having to cut it out and make a neon sign out of it for some people to grasp what I tried to tell them. When you are as detached to life as I am (note: I am not suicidal, I just live solely for myself and I do not really care if other people live or die, unless they served a purpose for me) people often stare at me like I am some sort of inhuman freak or shake their head in disbelief due to the words that just came out of my mouth. However people are free to do as they please, it can entertain me slightly, but it is none of my business how people live their life, there is no reason for me to care.

Easy answer, they decided, afterlife is a poker game. I think religion is fine, even if people associate it with wars and shit. I for one know humans cause war, humans hold the weapons, and humans give the order, religion is just a rallying cause. Shoot even in this 'enlightened age' happens to the masses, humans are easily played by others because humans have they been doing it for centuries.

My opinion is to not go in life thinking we know it all, we don't, just try to become happy.

Best thing to do for religion is pursue what a person feels comfortable with, what a person believes. When it comes down to it religion helps us gain peace and allows people a way to be better. Admittedly it can be used to do bad stuff as well. 10/10 hate humans don't hate an ideal, or you basically hating a wall.

I was grown in a christian school, bible belt, ahoy! But while I'd like to believe, I'm not sure.

Yes, humans indeed do cause all the wars, hold all the weapons and give all the orders, but worse than all those three is the rallying cause or the reason to go to war or to start one. So to say that religions or fairy tales are "fine" even when it is the cause of pointless suffering, misery and death is pretty astonishing.




All the main religions claim to know it all, even when it is obvious they don't.




Things people should try to pursue are truth of reality and tolerance among others.




Saying religion helps us gain peace and allows people to be better is pretty laughable and as meaningful as if i said "religion is the source of evil in this world".

Well dang I hoped my post would just get passed up and lost in a sea of other post. Did I come off trying to persuade people? Sorry.

I won't answer for everyone but be it as it may religion helped my family through tough times. If they want to believe let them. Religion is a mixed bag of good and bad. The same thing can be said about land, people, ideals, and politics. Then you may not consider a family of three important to society, Which is cool, we all become numbers when we die.

Did you infer I meant that religion is the answer? If you did, I did not mean it like that. I just say be happy while we are alive.

To me tolerance will never happen for as long as people think. I for one will never know the truth.

Probably should have reworded it,when I mean gain peace I mean certainty for death or helping a mother have hope that her child will be alright. Allows a person to be better, I meant a set standard to live by. Not peace in the world, this will never happen.

Hopefully this works and we can agree to disagree. Sorry if this was full of bad grammar, typos, and anything else. 6:44 AM and I've been up all night.

I do let people believe what ever they want to believe. It is the religious who don't let other people believe what they want to believe. They (and i am not saying 100% religious are like this) try to enforce the rest of the society to obey laws, morals and culture based on their unscientific believes on most of the time either holy bible or quran.

It is the religious who tell us "Gays should not be allowed to get married, because god said so" or some other type of nonsense. It is the religious who try to control and limit other peoples freedom purely based on their own unscientific fairy tales.




And all i am saying is people can believe what ever the hell they want to believe as long as they don't try to interfere other peoples lives with it.




The reason tolerance will never happen is because people don't think, they just act based on irrational emotions (most of the time).



Certainty of death is a fact, i don't see how religion helps you in this regard.

To hope something to happen is as effective as saying "i wish" for something to happen, i understand people get a good feeling from saying that or thinking that, i just don't understand what religions has to do with it.

The effort to be a better person is a decision a person makes themselves, being religious or not has nothing to do with it. Sure, you could say people 'try' to be better in the vain hope of not ending up in the religious hell, but that doesn't really mean you are a good person, you just change your act in the hopes of a reward.

Religious standard to live by, well, like i already said "All i am saying is people can believe what ever the hell they want to believe as long as they don't try to interfere other peoples lives with it."

No different between a religious person telling us what to live by or a athiest telling what people should live by, or that they shouldn't believe. People are assholes either way. But I agree that living how people want, shouldn't be compromised for anyone gay or otherwise. Religious people should be able to believe. Gays should be able to marry and not get scrutinized. Everyone has a right to believe what they want, vote how they want and live how they want.

I never disagreed or at least didn't want to. No one should interfere in others life, a person want to be christian, let them, a person is gay, let them. In fact I'll even go further and say let each speak against one another, it's their right.
Is it wrong to fight, yes, and I won't support it. It's mostly up to politics what countries/states allow anyways. Vote with your wallet, or with your, well, vote what you choose is right. I don't know what is right at the end and hopefully never claimed to.

That's debatable, and I won't get into that. I can't answer for everyone nor humanity as a whole.

Basically it helps them be at peace, that there is something else to do. That they may see his or her loved ones. That life wasn't pointless for them.

Ask someone who does it, because I don't and if you never get an answer feel free to think whatever I won't stop you. But my hypothesis is that it's just faith that being's watch over family. Yeah, it's basically faith, they don't know of course but have faith.

Results will always vary and you're right they could just make a decision. But religion can factor in that as well. I won't answer for everyone again because I just can't.

Feel free to live by that. But can we end this here, religion is way to deep for me to answer completely and I am still learning anyways. Remember feel free to believe whatever, I won't stop you, all I want to is to end this because I don't know the answers. Consider this my last post on the subject at least I hope so.

There is a huge difference between a person telling you how to live (or advice you how to live) who bases his/her reasoning on logical and rational thinking, and a person who bases his/her reasoning on faith and wishful thinking.




All you can answer for is for yourself.




Well, that is wishful thinking (i am not saying it is wrong), and you don't need religious organizations for that.




Sorry, but i ain't gonna waste my time trying to figure out why a hopeful or wishful people tend to become religious, because it is pretty obvious.




For sure religion is a factor for some people, all i am saying is that it is an unnecessary factor.

I'm a Baptist Christian. I was influenced by my grandparents who are also Christian.

I am very skeptical about Christianity and there are many things that are flawed about it, but that's what makes it exciting. This excitement is mainly why, I enjoy loving Jesus.

I believe that there are powers out there which influence me and are beyond my control or, possibly, beyond my comprehension. That's really enough for me.

My family is relatively religious, of Christianity flavour, but I don't think I am that way inclined.

I believe that we should discern between religion and wisdom as well as between religion and human organization of that religion. The way I see it, organised religion (you know, the one with churches, symbols and hierarchies) is really a social construct, one of the greatest operations to have ever been pulled of by humanity. Millions follow these, mostly unregulated by law, practices. While I don't deny the power of such structures, they are, indeed, power structures used as any such structures would be used - to motivate and control individuals to do something somebody desires.

Crusades of the middle ages would be an example of such influence as well as current pressures in politics, where, on one hand, there is a propaganda of tolerance and on the other - people using tolerance to propagate homogeneity and intolerant views.

tl;dr - belief is a choice, but be weary where this choice leads you.

I am an Agnostic Theist. Religion is all crap, God(s) might be out there, but they sure are hard to figure out let alone prove. Religion might comfort some, but it also tries to meddle with others outside themselves, harming, judging and even making laws against ideals that have no basis in logic. I did start off as a Christian until I found way too much hypocrisy.