religion, oh god... gods!

And? What the hell is that supposed to mean? If Jesus made everything in old testament irrelevant, what use is it? If evolution was disproved tomorrow, then we would change or edit the science books about evolution.



First of all, i don't even believe in any taboos so i can't break them.

Second, i don't shove anything down anybodys throat. If somebody publicly tells their opinions and ideas, i have the right to answer him/her with my own opinions and ideas and possible have a debate (just like i am doing to you currently). People who keep their stupid beliefs and ideas to themselves i have no problem with, but the people who publicize their beliefs and try to change society according to them, absolutely i can respond to that. There is nothing 'taboo' breaking about it.



The underlining problem here is still religion, because people take their incoherent 'holy words on page' more seriously than they do their countries constitution, and that happens on very high levels of government (in USA).



Without religious words on pages there would be less problems. The religious bigots who take the scriptures seriously would still more than likely focus their attention into some other stupid idea like tribalism, but without anybody taking religious words seriously there would be without a doubt less problems in the world.



Usually people who fall into the argument of popularity and numbers in the issue of faith and religion consider for some reason human beings to be some how highly evolved. Yes, in comparison to other species on planet earth we may be, but in general, i think not. What difference does it make if 5 billion or more people had this experience? All it would show is how illogical and irrational our species is.



I don't reject the possibility of something else going on here, i wait for the evidence before i claim something is there.



People who truly believe we are governed by an biblical or quranic entity, yes, they are illogical and lack common sense. Surely many of those are indoctrinated into the religion, so i don't fault them that much, because i know it is hard to let go a belief that has been forced down your throat before you could even walk.

If truth, logic and rational give you a bad rep, ill take it.



As a person who doesn't believe in the bible, all i can do is read it and interpret as it is written. The issue here is not that i take it literally, the issue is the magical and clever way how you and other religious people (i guess moderates) supposedly interpret the bible to be non-violent and non-dogmatic. In order for a literate person to think that the bible or quran are non-violent or non-dogmatic books, you have to purposefully read it like that and that raises the question, if you have to do all that clever juggling to interpret it as a 'nice' book, why read it in the first place?



I see, the books are only promoting violence because i interpret them wrong.

Wherefore if thy hand or thy foot offend thee, cut them off, and cast them from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life halt or maimed, rather than having two hands or two feet to be cast into everlasting fire. (Matthew 18:8)

So when Jesus tells the people this nice and good advice to cut off their hands and feet if they offend his imaginary god, i am simply interpreting it wrong? It is not about what it actually reads, you have to read it in a clever way so you don't interpret it as violent?



So?? Jesus made the old testament irrelevant, why not edit it out?



Why not?



Being a scientist or a scholar doesn't make you immune to faith based beliefs.

Evolution has more than "a part". If you look at evolution at a Macro level, the most successful species are those who are able to co-exist with each and other species around them. There are powers in numbers. Not to undermine the achievements of thousands but no human has really done anything worth of notice completely on his/her own.

God is your concept and people can have it as their lifestyle, we've created literature because of religion. Realise that without opinion and belief. Because of the good acts of biblical figures, we have decided to involve in the foundation of morals we act within everyday.

But I depart from religion and never talk about it. People thought I was an Athiest when I said I don't want to talk about christianity and title me as so. I think it's a unfair deal that I'm idolised for being an atheists but I have done nothing bad to them. Biased people don't know where to think and what to observe.

I go my way and they go their way. This is a matter of perception, not objectivity and logic. Post-modernist literalist. After world war, there was the attitude of people accepting the worst without depression and glorify what they wanted. People can still go through that now because of domestic problems and influence of historical figures and events.

I doubt we have literature because of religion. There are many ancient civilizations that had literature which didn't have anything to do with religion and some of them didn't even have any religion to begin with.



Religion gets its morals from us, not the other way around.

Now that you confronted that we made literature ourselves, your pretty much right. But religion brought us the development of literature, vikings who engraved words and pictures about gods had much influence in today. Christian facilities hold numerous scrolls and had education as well. Religion pretty much made the usefulness of literature. Folk tales, fairy tales and mythology also changed literature but not as much as religion ever since this and that.

On the second part:
Biblical figure, if you consider all the practices of the religious acts. Your attention may go to good will practices, many people fought for it since they had no where to go. The crusaders and arabians showed how undeveloped people's logic were until aftermath giving wisdom and reason to question why is this or that. Christianity, Buddha, Hinduism were all big parts of the world's culture in the East and West which had a branch of philosophical influence.

Our society revolved much around religion and ideology which makes it worth saying that religion is a undoubtedly incredible progression up all the way through present day. It was involved in the biggest parts of society until the last few hundred years where it was more about civilisation progressing.

For sure religion has been an important part in our development of literature and still is today, but we don't have literature because of it. On a side note, whether religion has been an important part of human literature or not has absolutely nothing to do with its validity.



I am not denying that religion has played a huge role in the history of our species and still does, but all the progress religion supposedly has made, a lot of it was done by progression outside of religion. Religious morality has improved because of secularism, not because of religion for example. Religion has its place in our history, but i don't think it has any usefulness in our present time or in the future.

I can't disagree to what your saying.