Y'know What's More Interesting?

Sweden's most recent terror attack was by Neo-Nazis on a refugee camp.

Do you have factual confirmation for that?

Or is this just like 99%+ of journalism?

Also, even if did happen, just because it's the latest does not make it the most common.

Plenty of neo-nazis exist, but the ones who actually commit acts of terrorism are far and few between, I'm sure.

It's sad that I have to say something to defend these sick fucks, how dare you.

Also, refugee-related crime happens.

You should banish the notion from your mind that people who come over without proper documentation aren't going to abuse it if they're bad people.

It's utterly and dangerously naive to think that all the people fleeing countries are going to be decent folk.

And that has nothing to do with race or religion, simply human nature and the sheer numbers of people.

Don't get me wrong, questioning things is fine, but you seem to be missing the main point of that thread at all.

Also, it's funny that the other video shows charts with statistics whereas this one just says "nope, these things just didn't happen at all in our country, and the idiot who misspoke about a terror attack that didn't happen is slandering out country!"

Super credible.

Oh, and "We don't have immigration problems, but neo-nazis attack our refugee camps".

Even for neo-nazis who hate everyone aside from white people and have many violent members, attacking a refugee camp seems a bit out there unless other problems exist that'd make them go out of the way to do that.

So if these problems just magically don't exist, do you have some proof that these problems are bullshit?

Until you do, more evidence has been actually presented that these problems exist and are a threat.

Oh, and it's not just in Sweden, I'm certain.

Everyone seems to be taking one extreme measure or the other, like closing off the countries to everyone or letting everyone in.

How fucking stupid can you people be?

Why does it seem like no one wants to try a more middle-ground, more secure way of accepting immigrants anymore?

People want change.

I don't see him saying Neo-Nazis aren't an issue or capable of committing atrocities. Why don't you actually criticize something you don't agree with properly?

And it's not like for every single neo-nazi attack, there isn't a bunch of crimes being committed in Muslim majority zones in Sweden, were some cops are in clear danger of entering. This isn't me saying all Muslims are like this, but a cultural difference does exist.

I don't know why you insist on being an irrational sperg. Are you going to start posting OccupyDemocrats videos and images now too?

Wow, Cruz is extra salty tonight. :x

Aren't you the one who made a passive aggressive thread because you didn't like what someone said?

No, that was my sister.

Sure.

It hasn't exactly been middle of the road and secure for the past several years, either.

So, it's pretty much unchanged, aside from jumping from one extreme to another.

That aside, you still haven't addressed the main point.

Do those countries respect our laws?

Do they respect the authority of the US government?

I highly doubt it.

If the countries themselves don't there are bound to be people that flee here who think the same way.

Whatever the video itself contained, you still haven't explained how it's a good idea to allow a crap ton of immigrants from literal war zones into western countries with conflicting values.

Otherwise why even quote them at all unless you're going to contest their point properly?

He isn't capable of it. It's that simple.

Critical arguments on a hentai site aren't my thing. If you were to pay me, however...

Till proven otherwise, it's true.

You simply can't. So just stick to neg repping post.

Why don't you go back to playing Soldier 76, you meta hugging scrub lord.

Posting to IB and basically complaining someone else in the thread isn't being, well, coherent... let's not be disingenuous. Half the reason you guys post this stuff to IB is so you can say whatever 'outrageous' stuff comes to mind. Whether you think it's true or just wish to troll.

An actual debate and sharing of ideas isn't really the point.

If anything, you want to re-affirm your own beliefs or don't really care and are having a laugh.

Keep in mind, I'm not waving a finger at any of you going tsk, tsk. Spend your time as you wish.

I'll note when I post here, I tend to critique style over opinions, because that's what I'm paying more attention to. The very forum title means I don't take the opinions themselves seriously.

You debate while drunk in a bar, you get a drunken debate.

I'm likely to agree with Cruz at this point.

One of only two things is happening - either you're shitposting over your butthurt and hoping to rustle your target's jimmies, or you're just too stupid to bring an informed, civil argument to the table.

Either way, this thread is utterly pointless.

Take your pick.

If I wanted to be taken seriously, I would've posted this in SD. ;P

No one would take you seriously there, either.

You really can't come up with a counterargument?

That's sad.

I expected better.

What was there to expect? lol

Another thought here, and I'm not saying Baka's arguement is a wonderful refined one (it isn't, I'm sorry CB, even when I agree with you you have trouble presenting your case):

What's your exact standard for a good enough argument?

Because I've written op-ed pieces and had people who disagree edit them. Some are great, just wanting some sources and giving me honest advice on honing my rhetoric, directed me to good arguements on their side and mine. I've come away from such partnerships with my opinion and theirs intact, one or the other changed, or even both changed.

Others-- both those I seem on the surface to agree with and those I am clearly at odds with-- have basically tried to either make me state their opinion or tried to weaken my argument or are only going to accept a sword in the stone argument (one magical fact that changes it all) or simply will really accept no argument, because me and any sources I bring to the table are wrong for disagreeing with their obvious truth.

You seem too intelligent for the second camp. What makes an agrument sound-- worth an intelligent rebuke or even discussion?

(And we can expect plenty, friend, but as I had to remind myself recently... best not let your desires become irrational demands and musts)

I find this more interesting. When you go to a Italian restaurant and order the lasagna it's either the one that is made fresh with just boiled noddles and layered on the plate or family style like in it's pre made earlier in a tray and dish out on the order basis. Which is nothing wrong with the latter but this one place DOESN'T PUT SAUCE IN THE LAYER AND DROWNS IT IN THE RED SAUCE. Like eating a fucking dry ass sandpaper compressed brick. Everyone know put some sauce in the layer when making a tray... not a lot but enough so it's not like eating layered semi wet matzo.