Fate/stay night - WHAT IF we really have a Holy Grail War?

Beowulf - could be either saber or berserker
saber - Sigfried
kenshin- saber or assassin
archer - sitting bull or crazy horse
lancer -longinus
caster - Genjyo Sanzo or abe no seimi
berserker -thor
rider - saint George

god's aren't allowed. demi's is the closest ones you can make. also, state skills and abilities if you don't mind.

norse gods are different than most one is there aren't immortal
i would say there could be compared to most cultures demi-gods

um... no. see thor is a god. heroic spirits are from demi-gods to the most bravest human. someone who's a pure god isn't exactly heroic spirit material. did you see what thor is worshiped for? point is that he existed in history as a god. see where im getting at?

in the poetic edda there wasn't any clear evidence that he fought as a human(or even a half for that matter. i could've missed it though, try to look for it) and that simply goes against the heroic spirit rules. remember that the grail summons the heroes and the masters are the ones giving them form?

Am I allowed to choose the Bubonic Plague as a Rider class? If so, I want that. After all, it "rides" through living beings from one place to the next.

If not, how about Princess Kaguya for the Caster class? The five items she sent her suitors to get would be her Noble Phantasms, with the jeweled branch from Horai constantly absorbing mana from around her to power her spells, the legendary robe of the fire-rat to conceal her presence slightly (not True Assassin level, though) or protect her from weak projectiles, the coloured jewel from the dragon's neck absorbing mana from any hostile beings within a small radius, and the cowrie born from swallows enhancing her spells' power. Unfortunately, I don't know what the stone begging Buddha bowl would be used for. She would also be able to summon a stalk of strengthened bamboo around her to protect her and her Master, if need be.

She would also be able to nullify any magical resistance depending on how full the moon is in a nod to the legend. If it's empty, there would be little interference with the enemy's magical resistance. However, if it's full then all magical resistance the enemy previously had will vanish, and they will be fully susceptible to Kaguya's attacks.

How does this sound?

i'd say no to both. wiki'd the first one and saw an epidemic. needs to be a hero/anti-hero. the second one i thought she could but then the tale said that the artifacts were burned in the end so there's no way you could summon kaguya.

Yeah, I figured the first one wouldn't count. I just posted it because it was the Rider class in Strange/Fake. :P

As for the five items, none of them were actually found. The burned items were the elixir of immortality and the letter that she gave the emperor. However, it's wholly possible for her to use items that were not in her possession during her life, according to previous Servants (Medusa used Pegasus despite being born from her blood after her death.) Getting a proper catalyst would be difficult, but they can be found. A small stalk of bamboo may also work as a catalyst, since she was "born" from one in her legend.

the pegasus came from her naturally she can use it as it is part of her legend. the catalyst you mentioned doesn't have 100% chance since there were a bunch of legends connected to it. that catalyst has to be specific, it has to come from the area where she was born since she will have a better connection thus easier to summon

Interesting choice.

However I don't think Kaguya can qualify (I may be wrong), mostly because:
1. I wouldn't really call her human.
2. She doesn't really accomplish (what I would call) any great achievement in her story.

Still, I may be wrong.

Lurker3173: The five items Kaguya requested are also part of her legend, despite them never being found. Since they are a part of her legend, they would qualify as something she could use if she were ever summoned. If any of them were found, they could also double as a catalyst for her summoning, since, as you stated, a young stalk of bamboo wouldn't quite make it a 100% Kaguya summon.

kickiluxxx: Medusa isn't a human in her legend. It takes a few hundred years for people to shape Medusa into a human by having Poseidon raping her at the Temple of Athena instead of her being born a Gorgon from the earth itself. As for Kaguya's deeds, Medusa didn't really do much, either. All Medusa really did was get beheaded by Perseus after he was given equipment to kill her.

IF any is found. chances are that there aren't since japan went to the sengoku era and it could have been broken. not only that, if it was a requested item then there will be a faint connection since it never came from her.

take a look at fab gilg, his artifact was the first snakeskin ever to be shed off the face of the world, and the very first king to have a legend of his own. he responded to it since the artifact calls for nothing but him. in kaguya's case... jewel from a dragon's neck? jeweled branch?

In the later legeds of medusa, it was stated that she was a beautiful woman and then turned monster - since this is also valid, she made it in. she's the anti-hero type, a villain in legends but also the protector of mythical beasts.

kaguya on the other hand admitted that she wasn't from earth(i interpret this as not being human) and she was to return from whence she came. she could've come to earth with a human-like appearance so no one would kill her on sight.

See what happened in her story?



As my little sister would say, "Basically, she's an alien from the moon."

So UBW is out, we're not necro'ing this? Prisma Ilya totally destroyed that "thor's no hero" now for some damn reason. Anyway, got a historic hero you can turn into a servant?

I'm pretty sure Prisma Illya is not canon.

However, Thor is actually qualified to be a servant. Not a lot of people know this but in the Prose Edda, Thor was euhemerised as a prince of Troy. His dad was a demi-god, while his mom was fully human.
The Prose Edda came into existence a century before the Poetic Edda (where he is a full god). However, the Poetic one was just a compilation of really old poems. The two books have different authors but still kind of close story. Since the Prose Edda is first written, the information written in it would spread first.

So, all in all, as much as Prisma Illya is non-canon, there is nothing wrong with making Thor a servant. Although, he won't be a strong as the full god version of himself, like Hercules in Fate.

I spent so much leisure time brooding on this.

Orpheus. Class: Archer(tentative)
STR:D
END:D
AGI:C
MANA:C
LUCK:A
N.PHANTASM:EX

Class Skills:
Magic Resistance:A
Independent Action: C

Personal Skills:
Divinity: B
Charisma:EX(beyond a curse, his life is ruled by his attractive qualities)

Orphic Hymn: Anti-World Noble Phantasm
Enchants the world to fight Orpheus's foes using his voice. Trees, rocks and water will form into familiars to defend him. Weapons without considerable will and force behind them will bend to avoid striking Orpheus. Allies of his foes and even his foe's Servant will be strongly compelled to betray Orpheus's opponent. Even the target will want to submit to Orpheus. This Phantasm will only work on those caught by the performance to initiate the noble phantasm.

Frankenstein(TBA)
Muramasa&Masamune(TBA)
Arachne(TBA)

Fransico Dagohoy: Saber class

Strength: A
Endurance: A+++
Agility: B+
Mana: B
Luck: D

Personal Skills:
Bravery: A+
Charisma: A
Demonic Defender: EX
Knowledge of respect and harmony: B

Noble Phantasm:

Call to arms Anti-unit[A+]: In tandem with Demonic defender, the NP summons fighters by using prana. Their combat capacity is heavily influenced by his personal skill so much that it requires the master full knowledge of the leylines.

Blood of rebellion Anti-army[EX]: If he is killed in battle, he is then replaced by two more heroes(with different classes) and if said two is killed four will replace them and so on until the count reaches 30,000 which is by then the opponent is transferred to a mountain where all the previously killed heroes are waiting. Failure to destroy the fort and kill 30,000 will be locked inside and be drained of their prana.



Now then, it may look OP but it's not. See, the guy's rebellion lasted for 85 years, continued by relatives and by the people he incited to rebel. The reason why he rebelled in the first place is that his brother didn't get buried properly by the church and was buried by Dagohoy which is why the second NP divides when killed. His blood is his own weapon and as for the first one is restricted to the territory so it's not that bad... I think.

Hmm... I don't know if it's just me, but... well
Heroic Spirits are legendary... "the one and only", who each stood out from the others of their time by performing deeds and possessing qualities that no other possessed.
Yes, that's a long rebellion, but not only did the rebellion fail in the end, I don't really see any outstanding achievement that only he was able to do or I would consider legendary. It also doesn't help that Spain at the time is not really at the height of its power. A lot of people have led prolonged rebellions.

If you really want someone legendary characters from Philippines, I would highly suggest Urduja. She was famous for leading a retinue of woman warriors who were skilled fighters and equestrians.

Another one that would be really interesting is Maria Blanca as a caster. She's a very powerful white mage with a very powerful Talisman (definitely a Noble Phantasm) that surely qualifies as a miracle. She can move mountains, create a palace near instantaneously, and this is kinda op, she was chopped into pieces then those pieces turned into fishes when she was dropped into the ocean. She was also able to create life using nothing but her Talisman and use a type of curse that inflicts all damage done to the being she created to the target. Finally, she was able to create a flood that was capable of destroying a whole nation and all its inhabitants, which, by the way, she cancelled.
That is sorcery or magic in Nasuverse. It's just me but that is also what I consider legendary.

Far as I know he's the only one who pulled it off. You don't pull an 85-year revolt and force the enemy into outnumbering you considering the technology at the time. I could say those is why his revolt became a legend. Plus the fact that instead of dispersing when the head is gone, they remained and remembered their cause for so long - Iskandar's army didn't even did that and they're superior in battle experience too. It was basically a long-held legacy that made him a legend. That's why I turned him into a tank since he's about endurance.

Iskandar's army was only popular because of the amount of land that they conquered in such a small time frame with the technology that they have and it's multicultural soldiers.
Yes, they held for a long time, but it's against one of Europe's poorest and least-developed nation at the time because Spain was in a very bad condition during the 19th century. They can barely help themselves at that time nor transport stuff inside their own country. Spain can't quash their rebellion because Spain has nothing to quash it with. An epic legacy would be him rallying as much people as he can and going on offensive to solidify a legacy of liberating an entire nation or holding off against a numerically and/or technologically superior enemy.
Also, this is another concern of mine. Chances are he used guns. It is very difficult for the users of modern weapons to be classified as Heroic Spirits. The advantage of modern weapons, especially guns is "anyone can use them as long as they were trained", thus it is difficult for the user to become a Heroic Spirit, whose definition is "the one and only".
A legendary achievement would be writing a book that rallies a whole country to take up arms and be executed for it, which is what you did before with Joze Rizal.

However, if you really want him, I guess it couldn't hurt.

Here goes:

Name: King Solomon
Class: Caster

Strength: C
Endurance: C
Agility: D
Mana: B
Luck: C

Class Skills:
Magic Resistance: B

Personal Skills:
Charisma: B
Golden Rule: B+
Dominion of the Holy King: Solomon can speak to and control all animals, Monstrous Beasts and Phantasmal Beasts, but not Divine Beasts (Rank A+).

Noble Phantasm:
The Seal of Solomon: Rank EX
A magical ring of the highest order, this item grants Solomon the power to control and summon all Monstrous, Phantasmal and Divine Beasts that are demonic in nature, including Asmodeus, the King of Demons (Phantasmal Species, Divine Beast). However, so great is the mana expenditure required to activate this Noble Phantasm, that only in the most dire of circumstances can it be used and only for a very limited period of time.