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When we think of alternate worlds, it's the world that came from that brief indecision that you have when making a choice right? Moreover, it's an expansion on Schroedinger's Cat, right?

Yet, is it possible to view the world where the choices that could have been taken? Can the cat in the box survive to see what's outside of it?

Even right now, the choice that I've made to make this thread, could very well be realized into another choice where I didn't make this thread.

Aside from all the drivel that I've been spouting in the ten to twenty seconds it took you to read this, I ask you this.

Is it possible to be in an alternate world then start that world over as many times as needed? To continually prune a tree and let it's branches grow again?

To let the cat in the box die and die, and miraculously survive in one situation?
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Yeah, I shall anweser this with blue, and call it a day.
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Hmmmmm. This is good.

If we did in fact shift into different demensions or realities I kinda doubt we'd be aware of it. For example, I've been in a few situations in which I'm pretty sure I should've died. Perhaps when these events occured I did in fact die, however, due to the fact death was instantanious I wasn't aware of it, and my conciousness simply shifted into an alternate reality, where I narrowly escaped death. I feel it's important to point out this is all a theory. Just a random subject I ponder on occasion.
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If I apply what you've said right now to past events in history, it could even be said that there is a world with no violence. As absurd as it is, such a world is somewhat possible, yet fated to be doomed with a force more destructive than ourselves.

In other words, even if you roll the die to get a six, if you roll it over and over again, the result wouldn't be the ideal six, right?

This can be applied to real life as well.
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Zero!!! wrote...
If I apply what you've said right now to past events in history, it could even be said that there is a world with no violence. As absurd as it is, such a world is somewhat possible, yet fated to be doomed with a force more destructive than ourselves.

In other words, even if you roll the die to get a six, if you roll it over and over again, the result wouldn't be the ideal six, right?

This can be applied to real life as well.


Dude +rep tomarrow. I'm diggin' this thread.

Hmmmm...I'm not really understanding the die analogy. What I was meaning is more along the lines of the conciousness shifting from a demension or reality where you die in a manner inwhich you don't really know you're dead, ot a demension in which you didn't die. For example, a few months back I was in a car wreck. Some guy hit me on the rear passenger side of my truck. This sent my truck out of control and through two fences. As I went through the first fence I watched as a rather pointy piece of wood came at my windshield. Now, I'm no phisicist, but I'm pretty sure that piece of wood should've gone clean through my windshield and through my throat, far enough to sever my spinal cord. However once I recollected my composure, my windshield was broken really good, but the piece of wood didn't go through. Now, say I did die in this scenario, but it was instantanious so I wouldn't have known it. So my conciousness simply moves on to another reality where that piece of wood hit my windshield at an angle that broke the windshield instead of going through it and killing me.
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The die analogy was to point out that there is no ideal scenario where everything goes the way that you want it to go.

Now, my condolences are given for your tragic accident that could have killed you, but yes, conscience may shift to other scenario's where you didn't die, or where you did, and I agree with this example.
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Zero!!! wrote...
The die analogy was to point out that there is no ideal scenario where everything goes the way that you want it to go.


Ah. But according to the theory I suggested, there would be at least one reality/demension where you did roll a 6. Therefore, at least one scenario is ideal. However, I still haven't come across this demension.....DAMMIT!
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omnicide wrote...
Zero!!! wrote...
The die analogy was to point out that there is no ideal scenario where everything goes the way that you want it to go.


Ah. But according to the theory I suggested, there would be at least one reality/demension where you did roll a 6. Therefore, at least one scenario is ideal. However, I still haven't come across this demension.....DAMMIT!


True, but it'll go down the drain sooner or later. The ideal situation is easily broken by many factors in life.

So, even if that ideal situation were to happen, and keep occurring something has to crack, right?

The die can't keep rolling a six, you know?
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Zero!!! wrote...
When we think of alternate worlds, it's the world that came from that brief indecision that you have when making a choice right? Moreover, it's an expansion on Schroedinger's Cat, right?

Yet, is it possible to view the world where the choices that could have been taken? Can the cat in the box survive to see what's outside of it?

Even right now, the choice that I've made to make this thread, could very well be realized into another choice where I didn't make this thread.

Aside from all the drivel that I've been spouting in the ten to twenty seconds it took you to read this, I ask you this.

Is it possible to be in an alternate world then start that world over as many times as needed? To continually prune a tree and let it's branches grow again?

To let the cat in the box die and die, and miraculously survive in one situation?


It depends. If you look at it from the perspective of yourself no. However as each time you do an important decision, there is going to be a "paralel universe" in which you took the other choice, so basicly you would need to find a way to leave your own universe which is a paradox, as your "own" universe is defined by the decisions you make.
The actual golden question is if our own definition of our universe is actual a copy of a "decisions point" i.e. a point where something major happened (e.g. Babylon not falling, the roman empire spreading and "civilizing" life while failing in another possibility etc)
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Zero!!! wrote...
omnicide wrote...
Zero!!! wrote...
The die analogy was to point out that there is no ideal scenario where everything goes the way that you want it to go.


Ah. But according to the theory I suggested, there would be at least one reality/demension where you did roll a 6. Therefore, at least one scenario is ideal. However, I still haven't come across this demension.....DAMMIT!


True, but it'll go down the drain sooner or later. The ideal situation is easily broken by many factors in life.

So, even if that ideal situation were to happen, and keep occurring something has to crack, right?

The die can't keep rolling a six, you know?


True. I know from personal experience the ideal situation is all too fragile. Also, Eranikum, good point.
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Actually that's not how the Schroedinger's Cat thing works. The question is not if it will be alive or not. The question is if it is dead before you open the box. No matter what, when you open the box the cat will be dead. This is why cats hate boxes.
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It's Dejavu.It has something to do with it.You think you already saw this but actually is also happening in the other dimension.Same with the other you in that dimension.

Also combining with theories of the Movie "The One",could 1 be totally turn into a God if the other's you in the other dimensions die?
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Ramsus wrote...
Actually that's not how the Schroedinger's Cat thing works. The question is not if it will be alive or not. The question is if it is dead before you open the box. No matter what, when you open the box the cat will be dead. This is why cats hate boxes.


The contradiction that you've just pointed out just reconfirms how misinformed I really am. Though, I see it as a somewhat irrelevant fact, it doesn't explain what you think about this topic.

Eranikum wrote...
Zero!!! wrote...
When we think of alternate worlds, it's the world that came from that brief indecision that you have when making a choice right? Moreover, it's an expansion on Schroedinger's Cat, right?

Yet, is it possible to view the world where the choices that could have been taken? Can the cat in the box survive to see what's outside of it?

Even right now, the choice that I've made to make this thread, could very well be realized into another choice where I didn't make this thread.

Aside from all the drivel that I've been spouting in the ten to twenty seconds it took you to read this, I ask you this.

Is it possible to be in an alternate world then start that world over as many times as needed? To continually prune a tree and let it's branches grow again?

To let the cat in the box die and die, and miraculously survive in one situation?


It depends. If you look at it from the perspective of yourself no. However as each time you do an important decision, there is going to be a "paralel universe" in which you took the other choice, so basicly you would need to find a way to leave your own universe which is a paradox, as your "own" universe is defined by the decisions you make.
The actual golden question is if our own definition of our universe is actual a copy of a "decisions point" i.e. a point where something major happened (e.g. Babylon not falling, the roman empire spreading and "civilizing" life while failing in another possibility etc)


So to break away from our own universe, the universe that is made from our own decisions, we have to break the paradox that makes it? However, breaking a paradox is not in mankind's power. In fact, breaking our own paradox may destroy, or greatly affect, who we are. As the possibilities of what we can or will be are numerous, and endless, even right now, there may have been a time before when you wouldn't even be in this forum, that I point out as a possibility.

Actually, it could be said that the whole universal universe, is actually a tree of sorts, existences branched from the moment the universe was created, and from that, the possibility that there was an another universe parallel to our own was created. Thus, from that reasoning, many other universes were born, some with almost no life, maybe some were breaming with life, but continue to elaborate on speculation diverges from the topic at hand.

The question that you raise, the question that asks of us a "what if our universe is a copy of a point when we make a decision." That may as well be true, if thought about for quite a while, almost everyone may come to that question, which in fact is also a conclusion, depending on how one takes it.
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Before I go into anything, I suggest all of you to refer to Noein because it is essentially dealing with the same kind of theory.
Ramsus wrote...
Actually that's not how the Schroedinger's Cat thing works. The question is not if it will be alive or not. The question is if it is dead before you open the box. No matter what, when you open the box the cat will be dead. This is why cats hate boxes.


That's not exactly correct. With Schroedinger's Cat there is a 50% chance that the poison will be released, meaning that the question is in fact whether the cat will be alive or dead.

Lets focus on the existence of multiple dimensions, which is the core of the topic. The existence of multiple worlds is a result of probability. When an action is taken and there are multiple outcomes, Hugh Everett's Many-Worlds Interpretation says that a new dimension is created from each possible outcome. The outcome of an event that created this dimension influenced the you that exists in it. Likewise, the you in another dimension is influenced by another possible outcome of that same event. Its impossible for you to exist in a dimension where another you, that corresponds to the events that created that dimension, exists because first of all, there is already a you there and second, your existence contradicts the essential foundation of that reality.
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Ramsus wrote...
Actually that's not how the Schroedinger's Cat thing works. The question is not if it will be alive or not. The question is if it is dead before you open the box. No matter what, when you open the box the cat will be dead. This is why cats hate boxes.


LMFAOO! thats true, but the cat doesn't really have anything to do with parallel universe theory, The quantum suicide box does tho. The cat refers to in quantum mechanics, the fact that you can't know two things at once like how the electron is moving, where it is and its speed, you only know one thing. The cat just an analogy to that lol, also an analogy to philosophy in which we cannot be absolutely sure of anything in life,but we should try anyways.
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The Jesus wrote...
Before I go into anything, I suggest all of you to refer to Noein because it is essentially dealing with the same kind of theory.
Ramsus wrote...
Actually that's not how the Schroedinger's Cat thing works. The question is not if it will be alive or not. The question is if it is dead before you open the box. No matter what, when you open the box the cat will be dead. This is why cats hate boxes.


That's not exactly correct. With Schroedinger's Cat there is a 50% chance that the poison will be released, meaning that the question is in fact whether the cat will be alive or dead.

Lets focus on the existence of multiple dimensions, which is the core of the topic. The existence of multiple worlds is a result of probability. When an action is taken and there are multiple outcomes, Hugh Everett's Many-Worlds Interpretation says that a new dimension is created from each possible outcome. The outcome of an event that created this dimension influenced the you that exists in it. Likewise, the you in another dimension is influenced by another possible outcome of that same event. Its impossible for you to exist in a dimension where another you, that corresponds to the events that created that dimension, exists because first of all, there is already a you there and second, your existence contradicts the essential foundation of that reality.


This is actually very similar to what I was saying. However, the thery I posed was that perhaps when an individual dies in one existence, the conciousness or the soul (not the body) shifts to another demension/reality where the individual survived. It's kind of a hard concept to explain in any great detail, but I've made it about as clear as I know how.
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alternate dimensions.....
i kinda likin' the concept in star ocean 3.....
the 3d-4d thingy...
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alternat dimensions sure the movie THE ONE proved that
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PaulGilbert wrote...
Ramsus wrote...
Actually that's not how the Schroedinger's Cat thing works. The question is not if it will be alive or not. The question is if it is dead before you open the box. No matter what, when you open the box the cat will be dead. This is why cats hate boxes.


LMFAOO! thats true, but the cat doesn't really have anything to do with parallel universe theory, The quantum suicide box does tho. The cat refers to in quantum mechanics, the fact that you can't know two things at once like how the electron is moving, where it is and its speed, you only know one thing. The cat just an analogy to that lol, also an analogy to philosophy in which we cannot be absolutely sure of anything in life,but we should try anyways.


Actually, the cat isn't an analogy for anything. Schroedinger chose to use a cat in order to illustrate that the Copenhagen interpretation is inapplicable to everyday things, including lifeforms.
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To hit the spot, Schroedinger's cat exists in a so called "Super position" when you don't open the cage / lock etc. You won't know if it is dead or alive, thus it exists "above" the normal level of existance UNTIL you open the cage and find out and thus make a theory to certainty.
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