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@discordia
It took a little bit of thought, but I can now, definitively crush your argument or at least derail it. You're position is a simple form of determinism, which is extremely rigid. The bulk of your argument is centered around what you said here:
What you fail to acknowledge is the past and fact that people are able to experience new things that are beyond what they've come to know. In these situations, their existing judgment may not apply the same way, if it does at all. By your logic, what would happen here? If you find yourself in a new situation, that requires a new way of thinking, and up until this point, you've been relying on knowledge you have based only upon the experiences you're familiar with, what do you do? You've hit a fork in the road. You now have to make a choice with nothing to go on.
Had the linear chain of cause and effect that supported your argument existed, you would never come to such a situation. New experiences are inevitable and regardless of whether you failed to take that fact into account or you overlooked some minor detail, you need to go back and rethink what you've been arguing. Even if you go through the rest of your life with the same type of situations where you can apply your logic and judgment repeating, at multiple points earlier in your life, you have to had come across situations that were, at that time, new. As humans, we learn right from wrong, through experience. We have people who help us along, but unless we do things for ourself, there is no way to truly know.
I don't know if that sounding condescending or anything, but I don't mean any offense if it does.
It took a little bit of thought, but I can now, definitively crush your argument or at least derail it. You're position is a simple form of determinism, which is extremely rigid. The bulk of your argument is centered around what you said here:
nope, there isnt fate. but just consider how your judgement came to be. its the result of a series of imprints and knowledge and experience and will always come to the same decision if the situation is the same.
lets say you could chose between A and B in this situation and given your disposition or judgement or whatever you wanna call it, you would chose A. why would there be a need for a parallel universe where you chose B and for your judgement to make a different choice it would have to been either altered in some way or the situation would need to be a different one, which would thus create not only a parallel universe upon this decision, but with its very own and different past too...
lets say you could chose between A and B in this situation and given your disposition or judgement or whatever you wanna call it, you would chose A. why would there be a need for a parallel universe where you chose B and for your judgement to make a different choice it would have to been either altered in some way or the situation would need to be a different one, which would thus create not only a parallel universe upon this decision, but with its very own and different past too...
What you fail to acknowledge is the past and fact that people are able to experience new things that are beyond what they've come to know. In these situations, their existing judgment may not apply the same way, if it does at all. By your logic, what would happen here? If you find yourself in a new situation, that requires a new way of thinking, and up until this point, you've been relying on knowledge you have based only upon the experiences you're familiar with, what do you do? You've hit a fork in the road. You now have to make a choice with nothing to go on.
Had the linear chain of cause and effect that supported your argument existed, you would never come to such a situation. New experiences are inevitable and regardless of whether you failed to take that fact into account or you overlooked some minor detail, you need to go back and rethink what you've been arguing. Even if you go through the rest of your life with the same type of situations where you can apply your logic and judgment repeating, at multiple points earlier in your life, you have to had come across situations that were, at that time, new. As humans, we learn right from wrong, through experience. We have people who help us along, but unless we do things for ourself, there is no way to truly know.
I don't know if that sounding condescending or anything, but I don't mean any offense if it does.
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hi i am a new member and i found this topic very interesting so i will through my 2 cent in here, plz feel free to disagree with me
. i do think that there are alternate dimensions out there , though i do not think that they are created by a person choosing A over B.
. i do not think that free will exists, it is merely a illusion created by the mind to enable it self to react to a specific event.
. here is an e.g. that i think will help get my point across and will hopefully allow u to understand my point of view on this subject
. in a specific place/ at a specific time/ u encountered an event that u had to react to / u observed, analyzed, hypothesized, and then reacted to that event. if u were placed at that same space and time and u had the same knowledge and experience as u counter part, u would make the same choose over and over again. Its just cause and effect.
. i think that alternate dimensions exist only in our minds. but it is through us that they are able to effect events that take place in reality, because they effect us and how we view the universe and we in turn effect others.
feel free to disagree with me, its makes it a lot more fun to have more that one point of view on any subject.
. i do think that there are alternate dimensions out there , though i do not think that they are created by a person choosing A over B.
. i do not think that free will exists, it is merely a illusion created by the mind to enable it self to react to a specific event.
. here is an e.g. that i think will help get my point across and will hopefully allow u to understand my point of view on this subject
. in a specific place/ at a specific time/ u encountered an event that u had to react to / u observed, analyzed, hypothesized, and then reacted to that event. if u were placed at that same space and time and u had the same knowledge and experience as u counter part, u would make the same choose over and over again. Its just cause and effect.
. i think that alternate dimensions exist only in our minds. but it is through us that they are able to effect events that take place in reality, because they effect us and how we view the universe and we in turn effect others.
feel free to disagree with me, its makes it a lot more fun to have more that one point of view on any subject.
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The Jesus wrote...
@discordiaIt took a little bit of thought, but I can now, definitively crush your argument or at least derail it. You're position is a simple form of determinism, which is extremely rigid. The bulk of your argument is centered around what you said here:
nope, there isnt fate. but just consider how your judgement came to be. its the result of a series of imprints and knowledge and experience and will always come to the same decision if the situation is the same.
lets say you could chose between A and B in this situation and given your disposition or judgement or whatever you wanna call it, you would chose A. why would there be a need for a parallel universe where you chose B and for your judgement to make a different choice it would have to been either altered in some way or the situation would need to be a different one, which would thus create not only a parallel universe upon this decision, but with its very own and different past too...
lets say you could chose between A and B in this situation and given your disposition or judgement or whatever you wanna call it, you would chose A. why would there be a need for a parallel universe where you chose B and for your judgement to make a different choice it would have to been either altered in some way or the situation would need to be a different one, which would thus create not only a parallel universe upon this decision, but with its very own and different past too...
What you fail to acknowledge is the past and fact that people are able to experience new things that are beyond what they've come to know. In these situations, their existing judgment may not apply the same way, if it does at all. By your logic, what would happen here? If you find yourself in a new situation, that requires a new way of thinking, and up until this point, you've been relying on knowledge you have based only upon the experiences you're familiar with, what do you do? You've hit a fork in the road. You now have to make a choice with nothing to go on.
Had the linear chain of cause and effect that supported your argument existed, you would never come to such a situation. New experiences are inevitable and regardless of whether you failed to take that fact into account or you overlooked some minor detail, you need to go back and rethink what you've been arguing. Even if you go through the rest of your life with the same type of situations where you can apply your logic and judgment repeating, at multiple points earlier in your life, you have to had come across situations that were, at that time, new. As humans, we learn right from wrong, through experience. We have people who help us along, but unless we do things for ourself, there is no way to truly know.
I don't know if that sounding condescending or anything, but I don't mean any offense if it does.
Jesus....you are great.
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Zero!!! wrote...
Is it possible to be in an alternate world then start that world over as many times as needed? To continually prune a tree and let it's branches grow again?
After reading through the topic, it feels like we're having fun jumping around in the multiple reality concept and attempting to flesh it out with quanta probability theories, explanations of said theories, but I might be speed reading to fast to catch where the initial question is attempted to be answered... but it's three pages so I'll start from the top avoiding what I remember as posted.
The "alternate world" system has no pruning. All the realities exist. That's the concept. There is no overlooking lord choosing which to prune and which to keep. You as a consciousness perceive as having the ability to have made a choice. The alternate world system removes that choice, you chose all of them. Therefore there was no choice involved. You as an entity took no intelligence, no time to ponder, you simply went through every possible decision.
The magic of this system also makes weird things happen since if it can happen it did. Speaking if it's possible for information to instantly port itself backwards in time/from future, depending on viewpoint and then for the universe to divert paths...is one of the options. So technically the answer is yes, information can and would be moved in odd reverse-temporal ways . But also to the latter point of the question, no there is no pruning involved since our section and the mentioned section are currently separate based on how our reality is currently played out but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist. We're just a separate path at the moment.
But in terms of "viewing" it as us moving between alternate worlds..., it would probably just look like sending your previous self some information to make a different decision. Rather than jumping worlds, but the information sent would allow for retention of said experience that made you send the information in the first place as IF you jumped your current self to a previous time to correct the decision. Since the multiple worlds theory is a method of looking at how particles make state and movement decisions over time, so having information go back in time to take an alternate route is well, just particle time travel in reverse of normal flow.
Though that is a very biased opinion and I can give no references to back up this view of the set body of theories.