Respecting your elders

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pihip wrote...
@ecchigaijin

Respecting someone and helping someone out of kindness are completely different topics, at least IMHO.

Respect is something one earns through his or her actions and behaviour, no matter the age, physical or mental situation, and the like. Does being old, wrinkled and frail guarantee more respect by default? Bullshit. If this person deserves it, he or she will be respected by their family, friends and peers. If they don't, they will be treated accordingly.

To answer to your specific question though, yes I do agree that helping out people, even with small gestures of goodwill, is worthy of praise.


The whole phrase "respect your elders" meant exactly that, help them when they need it. Not respect them simply because they're older. But some people read too literally into things, so here we are determining what base levels of respect we should give everyone. The phrase specifically means regardless of who the person is, if they're old and obviously having issues, don't sit there jamming to your music in your seat on the bus when you're 19 and in perfect health, stand up and give them the seat.

Like that happens nowadays anyhow.

(The only situation where I would say "respect your elders" means more than this is if you live in certain countries in Asia. There, it could quite literally mean they "deserve more respect than you" in the construct of society simply because they're older. But in the case of North America, the UK, and the like, I stand by what I said above)
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I've met once in the train a quite roten woman. She was even younger than my mother but bothering around "just because" -- that is to say with no good reason, even spitting to me "you'll see when you reach my age". Huh. My family behave far better even when getting older to a great extent. Just a matter of pride and self-esteem.

To mess around "just because" and even putting at front that you're older so you would have some "priviledge"... That doesn't work, at least not with me.

I take care of the ones weakers than me but get a hold of yourself if you're just a dumbassing old hag and just behave well, otherwise I prioritize my help differently.
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People are like a blank canvas, and the way they treat others and themselves are the brushes and paint colors. If they are a beautiful art then so will others be to them, if not then it is also the same. There are no special exceptions, work hard enough for the respect you wish to earn and life will be easy, trust me.
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Respect needs to be earned, and being elderly shouldn't give people a free pass. That said, I respect all of the elderly people that I know personally. Just remember that they are people too, even if they live in a home. Even if you don't respect somebody, that doesn't mean you get to treat them like dirt.

That's my 2 cents.
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I treat people the way I want to be treated, I have some respect for people I meet for the first time, young or old, male or female, regardless of race, nationality or anything else. I only judge people through their actions, respect is earned but not based on the age of the person. Would you respect an abusive father or a 60 year old rapist? The answer is obvious.
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In general I respect my elders, for sure. I respect everyone, actually, regardless of age. But most notable about my personality- I respect everyone regardless of what they look like or what they may have done in the past.

It may sound a bit crude, but I'll use the OP's example of an ex-nazi who killed millions.
If I met an old gentleman who happened to carry the above-stated actions on his shoulders, would I judge him or treat him differently? Nah, because it is in the past and doesn't affect me.

Now, I don't mean I view it as any less horrific than the next person, but I carry on my interactions with people on a one-to-one basis. My experience with you is all I go by. If you were a major racist in the past, so what? OK, I'll smack you upside the head if you pull some racist shit off in front of me, but I couldn't (and shouldn't) care less about what you did before we met.


Every single person gets a clean slate with me and it's up to them to make or break my opinion of them. The past is in the past and I feel it should be left there, especially when it is 100% not my business in the first place.
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Well typically I'm the same as a lot of people here, I believe that respect is earned. I have my grandparents which I don't respect. My grandma always bitches about me while my grandpa beat the shit out of me as a child. I've also met old westerners around my neighbourhood pointing and saying that they killed a lot of 'my people' (I'm asian) when they were at war against the viets (I'm no vietnamese). So typically for old people, I actually don't respect them, and I honestly show a bit of disrepect for some of them sometimes, really depends on my mood and what I make of them from my first impression.
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I agree with your notion, OP. Respect is earned, not given. Simply passing a certain age number does not mean I should automatically have to respect you, no matter the situation. However, I do consider evidence of one's past achievements to be a way to earn such respect - you do not have to perform the actions in front of me for me to respect you.
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you should not respect elders more, because they are only old, why would they get respect if they are stupid ass motherfuckers who think they deserve everything? I respect who's respectful towards me and if they aren't I just tell them that they should respect me as I respect them, if they won't respect me even after I said it, peace mate, you're dead until you respect me :)
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An absurd idea, to respect someone more because of age. An idea motley with flaws. I'd say to give respect to a person based on who they are, what they think and by what they do. In form, all the stuff that matters most. I mean to take the phrase literal, as my family used it as such.
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I used to think that, but something happened in my family that made me think otherwise.

Why should I even bother respecting them if they treat me like a nobody
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To summarize... At first contact, respect is or should be given but it also can be taken away if one comes to prove unworthy.
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In general i think i have some form of "respect" given to everybody i meet in my life, simply as a fellow human being. But i dont respect those who dont deserve respect.

I dont give or take respect away based on your age, skin colour, sexuality, taste, style or gender. What matters to me is what you do and what you think. Your actions and words are the things that give you respect.

Respect is earned , it is not a given right.
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teggr234 wrote...
you should not respect elders more, because they are only old, why would they get respect if they are stupid ass motherfuckers who think they deserve everything? I respect who's respectful towards me and if they aren't I just tell them that they should respect me as I respect them, if they won't respect me even after I said it, peace mate, you're dead until you respect me :)


Yeah I agree with that shit, some assholes expect respect because they are more aged o_O
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aznkevy wrote...
teggr234 wrote...
you should not respect elders more, because they are only old, why would they get respect if they are stupid ass motherfuckers who think they deserve everything? I respect who's respectful towards me and if they aren't I just tell them that they should respect me as I respect them, if they won't respect me even after I said it, peace mate, you're dead until you respect me :)


Yeah I agree with that shit, some assholes expect respect because they are more aged o_O


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teggr234 wrote...
aznkevy wrote...
teggr234 wrote...
you should not respect elders more, because they are only old, why would they get respect if they are stupid ass motherfuckers who think they deserve everything? I respect who's respectful towards me and if they aren't I just tell them that they should respect me as I respect them, if they won't respect me even after I said it, peace mate, you're dead until you respect me :)


Yeah I agree with that shit, some assholes expect respect because they are more aged o_O


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I'm being serious. Some elderly people around my area are Viet War Veterans, and I am asian and then when they see me they yell at me and say 'I killed many you of your kind in your country' and then I'm like 'I'm not viet', and then they tell me to 'shut up and respect them as they are older and have killed my kind' -_-
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I just can't bring myself to respect the government consisting of my elders, when they've made far too many incredibly idiotic decisions in their first term, with the worst yet to come.

Contrary to my personal beliefs regarding the value of human life and all, I believe they're all better off binned.
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aznkevy wrote...
teggr234 wrote...
aznkevy wrote...
teggr234 wrote...
you should not respect elders more, because they are only old, why would they get respect if they are stupid ass motherfuckers who think they deserve everything? I respect who's respectful towards me and if they aren't I just tell them that they should respect me as I respect them, if they won't respect me even after I said it, peace mate, you're dead until you respect me :)


Yeah I agree with that shit, some assholes expect respect because they are more aged o_O


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I'm being serious. Some elderly people around my area are Viet War Veterans, and I am asian and then when they see me they yell at me and say 'I killed many you of your kind in your country' and then I'm like 'I'm not viet', and then they tell me to 'shut up and respect them as they are older and have killed my kind' -_-


I know that feeling, just don't give a fuck about them
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I was taught how to respect the young and old alike but sometimes the elders may seem a little bit childish or downright mean to make you lose their respect. So yeah, if someone older than you is being an A-hole to you or somebody, then its pretty safe to assume that you can tell him or her to go fuck themselves. Sorry for the vulgarities tho :)
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