Comic X-EROS May Lose Gujira

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Cat-ness NekoMancer
Gujira after receiving notice that 25000 copies of his newest manga have been pirated. He lost the will to draw and may quit entirely

Current Fakku Releases This
Original article This

please leave your thoughts and fealing about this down below
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Dashiell DirtyDeedsDunDirtCheap
Piracy doesn't hurt artists!

Only idiots pay for porn!


We need sarcasm bbcode.
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animefreak_usa Child of Samael
Piracy doesn't hurt the artist. Only hurt them in their native media exchange. No western pirate would pay to read moonspeak and few would buy the untranslated pass a collector item or to rip/scan the content for fansub. Most fansubs BUYS the content. Someone has to for tankobon translating or bd encoding. Other just use the raws uploaded by the subsites or a kind anon. I don't see where it hurts an author or a company unless they have a licensed in an english nation.

This is a great selling point for the japanese artists. Make it available in other places outside glorious nippon and your overseas profit will be better than some dude who took a japanese 101 course at uni and now is 'translating' your work(better example would be someone who is native or educated in niponese). The only thing that fat fuck Gaben ever said was piracy is almost always a service problem and not a pricing problem. IT is also a price problem but it not now since the few living anime companies that survived 'let's charge the Japanese price' on anime. Manga and hentai always was affordable.

The article doesn't explain what the fuck was 'stolen'. If it his japanese tank scanned and uploaded for japanese only read then sure he lost a bunch of money since the japanese are pirating it so not to pay to read it. BUT if it scanning and the gaijins translating it for the white pigu to read then where is the lost renuvue? Those 25,000 lost copies... only maybe 100-150 would be imported in the west by collectors and a few pirates for the scanning purpose. Translate it officially then hell 2-4 thousand copies would be bought, probably more digital.

Only die hard weebs buy untranslated tanks. Majority of those only because they read the scans and say 'I got to have it'. Piracy is why pirates buy things. Give the people a glance at the material and people will buy. Of all the books that was true, except alluring woman because only one chapter was ever translated. The people knew what they were buying was what they wanted. All because they read it before in scan form.

A copy =/= A lost profit in the west. It can't be an equal exchange if there no access to that media without knowledge of japanese reading comprehension and a way to buy stuff. The majority of people can't use amazon jp/melon books/proxy shipping. Hence why they torrent digitally. If anything those pirates may try to import it after seeing it's beauty. Give them a legal access without jumping thru middle men and moonrunes and the person might choose to chip out some money on something. Make it uncensored and he might buy more. You only lose the effort if you don't try.
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Likhos01 Monster Girl Lover
animefreak_usa wrote...
Privacy doesn't hurt the artist. Only hurt them in their native media exchange. No western pirate would pay to read moonspeak and few would buy the untranslated pass a collector item or to rip/scan the content for fansub. Most fansubs BUYS the content. Someone has to for tankobon translating or bd encoding. Other just use the raws uploaded by the subsites or a kind anon. I don't see where it hurts an author or a company unless they have a licensed in an english nation.

This is a great selling point for the japanese artists. Make it available in other places outside glorious nippon and your overseas profit will be better than some dude who took a japanese 101 course at uni and now is 'translating' your work(better example would be someone who is native or educated in niponese). The only thing that fat fuck Gaben ever said was piracy is almost always a service problem and not a pricing problem. IT is also a price problem but it not now since the few living anime companies that survived 'let's charge the Japanese price' on anime. Manga and hentai always was affordable.

The article doesn't explain what the fuck was 'stolen'. If it his japanese tank scanned and uploaded for japanese only read then sure he lost a bunch of money since the japanese are pirating it so not to pay to read it. BUT if it scanning and the gaijins translating it for the white pigu to read then where is the lost renuvue? Those 25,000 lost copies... only maybe 100-150 would be imported in the west by collectors and a few pirates for the scanning purpose. Translate it officially then hell 2-4 thousand copies would be bought, probably more digital.

Only die hard weebs buy untranslated tanks. Majority of those only because they read the scans and say 'I got to have it'. Privacy is why pirates buy things. Give the people a glance at the material and people will buy. Of all the books that was true, except alluring woman because only one chapter was ever translated. The people knew what they were buying was what they wanted. All because they read it before in scan form.

A copy =/= A lost profit in the west. It can't be an equal exchange if there no access to that media without knowledge of japanese reading comprehension and a way to buy stuff. The majority of people can't use amazon jp/melon books/proxy shipping. Hence why they torrent digitally. If anything those pirates may try to import it after seeing it's beauty. Give them a legal access without jumping thru middle men and moonrunes and the person might choose to chip out some money on something. Make it uncensored and he might buy more. You only lose the effort if you don't try.

Autocorrect being a bitch or brainfart?
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animefreak_usa Child of Samael
Likhos01 wrote...

Autocorrect being a bitch or brainfart?


Little of both. Too much vino and forgot to down a liter of water so my head hurts on one side of the remaining non brain dead grey matter i call my think box. Proofread isn't my strong suit.

Edit: Yep.
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Dashiell DirtyDeedsDunDirtCheap
Since he got email notification and exact number it must been either japanese or chinese pirates as it seems that japanese publishers don't really track west until time comes to send DMCAs left and right.

And you're definitely right that article is extremely vague about content pirated.

Your 4th paragraph is pretty much "reasons why demos/samples should exist" as no one likes to buy a pig in a poke.

But in the end he got hurt ...in the head, even if it was west pirated copies that would never translate into money he's still hurt and it might affect his further appearances in hentai world because knowledge of how piracy works and it's fallacies isn't requirement to be artist it may repeat in future with others.
I guess psychological effects of piracy on artists could be a thread in itself as we're always skipping it and focusing on monetary matters.
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boltsandguns Electroshock TheRapist
animefreak_usa wrote...
Piracy doesn't hurt the artist. Only hurt them in their native media exchange.


I don't take any issue with what you said(since you're pretty spot on), But in this case I think its less a monetary hurt and more a emotional/motivational hurt. Seeing that thousands of people are not willing to buy something you put a lot of work into can be very depressing.

Edit: Just gonna add that after having been in a similar position, its very defeating to feel(keyword) that people don't find what you made worth paying for, its like getting an F on the best work you did in college, except you can't write it off as a pissy teacher.
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I would say that the act of piracy does not hurt content creators.
But I think that the existence of piracy does in fact hurt creators.

animefreak_usa wrote...
Piracy is why pirates buy things. Give the people a glance at the material and people will buy. Of all the books that was true, except alluring woman because only one chapter was ever translated. The people knew what they were buying was what they wanted. All because they read it before in scan form.


I really want to believe this. I think that it's true for some of us more committed fans but I don't think it's true for the majority of people.

I think actually that this is also a social issue. A lot of people who are used to pirating don't want to hear about paid options. Really, why would they?
1. No need to spend your hard earned dollars.
2. If they keep pirating, they're not actually missing out anything because they get all the same shit eventually.
3. They come back to that first point and say hey, "I didn't hurt anyone doing this. There are 0 problems with my piracy habit."
4. Sort of the same as 2, as far as the individual is concerned, piracy is the winning play. Get everything, spend nothing. Using 3 as a shield they don't even have to feel guilty.

So I think what we see is that the majority of people (pretty sure at least 80% if not 90 have already ditched FAKKU) don't give a fuck and don't have any reason to start giving a fuck other than having a conscience. When piracy gets discussed, you just get more people spouting the same stuff because confirmation bias works wonders for this kind of thing.
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Fallan Kamen Rider Cheeki
animefreak_usa wrote...
Piracy doesn't hurt the artist. Only hurt them in their native media exchange. No western pirate would pay to read moonspeak and few would buy the untranslated pass a collector item or to rip/scan the content for fansub. Most fansubs BUYS the content. Someone has to for tankobon translating or bd encoding. Other just use the raws uploaded by the subsites or a kind anon. I don't see where it hurts an author or a company unless they have a licensed in an english nation.

This is a great selling point for the japanese artists. Make it available in other places outside glorious nippon and your overseas profit will be better than some dude who took a japanese 101 course at uni and now is 'translating' your work(better example would be someone who is native or educated in niponese). The only thing that fat fuck Gaben ever said was piracy is almost always a service problem and not a pricing problem. IT is also a price problem but it not now since the few living anime companies that survived 'let's charge the Japanese price' on anime. Manga and hentai always was affordable.

The article doesn't explain what the fuck was 'stolen'. If it his japanese tank scanned and uploaded for japanese only read then sure he lost a bunch of money since the japanese are pirating it so not to pay to read it. BUT if it scanning and the gaijins translating it for the white pigu to read then where is the lost renuvue? Those 25,000 lost copies... only maybe 100-150 would be imported in the west by collectors and a few pirates for the scanning purpose. Translate it officially then hell 2-4 thousand copies would be bought, probably more digital.

Only die hard weebs buy untranslated tanks. Majority of those only because they read the scans and say 'I got to have it'. Piracy is why pirates buy things. Give the people a glance at the material and people will buy. Of all the books that was true, except alluring woman because only one chapter was ever translated. The people knew what they were buying was what they wanted. All because they read it before in scan form.

A copy =/= A lost profit in the west. It can't be an equal exchange if there no access to that media without knowledge of japanese reading comprehension and a way to buy stuff. The majority of people can't use amazon jp/melon books/proxy shipping. Hence why they torrent digitally. If anything those pirates may try to import it after seeing it's beauty. Give them a legal access without jumping thru middle men and moonrunes and the person might choose to chip out some money on something. Make it uncensored and he might buy more. You only lose the effort if you don't try.


This tbh senpai
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Cruz Dope Stone Lion
Oh. I actually liked some of his works.

Hopefully he realizes he was just throwing a temper tantrum and that saying "Uploaders, apologize to everyone involved with this and compensate them fully, and if you're good-looking, we'll make you our ass slaves" is beyond tasteless.

devvah wrote...
Piracy doesn't hurt artists!


sarcasm


I disagree.
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CronaBaka Mellow Yellow
Sneakyone wrote...
YOOOOOOOOO

YEEEEEEE BHOYYYYYYY
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Cat-ness NekoMancer
I have mixed feelings on the subject from a digital content creator side I can understand his frustration with piracy. But from a consumer stand point I can understand the prospective of wanting to preview a purchase. After posting the topic I went and found the book in question Gal toka Bitch toka Iroiro and if Fakku acquired this title I would buy it. Hopeful Gujira doesn't quit X-eros, pride is a very powerful motivator.
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Gujira is known to be overdramatic.
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But its still his right to know and accept and allow his work, not others.

You guys arent artists or product makers to say the artists arent hurt. Thats just a bad reason to justify why they shouldnt be paid or even know what their work, their Intellectual Property, is heading to. And if the people respect him in the end.

And thats where it boils down in the end. RESPECT

clearly something western fans lack. Then again, i often see that thee are no such thing as a western fan. They abandon even their parents on hard times. Only in it for the benefits.
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Waar FAKKU Moderator
hgatedc wrote...
clearly something western fans lack. Then again, i often see that thee are no such thing as a western fan. They abandon even their parents on hard times. Only in it for the benefits.


Gonna throw it out there; in this case it wasn't international numbers that had him upset, domestic piracy is what the dude's complaining about. There are pirates everywhere, don't blame one culture group.
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animefreak_usa wrote...
No western pirate would pay to read moonspeak and few would buy the untranslated pass a collector item or to rip/scan the content for fansub.


I must be a strange occurrence in "the system" then. My Japanese reading comprehension is non-existent. However, I own over 400 physical doujinshi purely to support the artists that I love and follow. I import using Toranoana + Tenso and trips to Japan. One day once I can re-take Japanese maybe I'll be able to read them all :p

Even if I can't read the dialog, I appreciate the amount of time it takes to actually draw all the content in a doujinshi.

Heck, my g/f and I also have a rather large number of light novels, illustration books, guide books, series history books, etc all in Japanese. We can't understand any of it. But we buy them to support what we love.
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animefreak_usa Child of Samael
But your collecting them. Physically importing them, looking at the art and then storing it. Most people aren't saving the scans after reading or fapping to files. Especially japanese runes ones. Hence why I said fan collection route. Few even save the scanlations.
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Kaimax Best Master-San
This thread is now Awkward...
https://www.fakku.net/forums/front-page-news/first-official-fakku-books-2016-announcement
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animefreak_usa Child of Samael
Kaimax wrote...
This thread is now Awkward...
https://www.fakku.net/forums/front-page-news/first-official-fakku-books-2016-announcement


Not really. It just now proves if a legal alternative is available then the fans will pay for language and art wise.
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