I wouldn't have a problem with the Fakku subscriptions...
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if they released physical versions of the magazines as well.
Especially Comic LO (though I doubt they're doing that one).
Also why remove doujinshi? It's not like those authors are going to send a cease and desist for fan comics (not to mention parody is protected by law).
Especially Comic LO (though I doubt they're doing that one).
Also why remove doujinshi? It's not like those authors are going to send a cease and desist for fan comics (not to mention parody is protected by law).
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animefreak_usa
Child of Samael
There will be print editions sometime later. A best of issue. Also a lot do. They even print a page saying don't scan nor translate my work. Now they can ask jacob to host them.
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Cruz
Dope Stone Lion
Well they do have some "doujins" since I saw that doxy one on the Frontpage a while ago.
But they're in a tricky place. In Japan profit parodies are allowed, not here, and who ever owns the IP can request a takedown of that material. Plus it's not proper to hold content that they don't have expressed permission to hold anymore.
But they're in a tricky place. In Japan profit parodies are allowed, not here, and who ever owns the IP can request a takedown of that material. Plus it's not proper to hold content that they don't have expressed permission to hold anymore.
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Drifter995
Neko//Night
But you'd then be paying for the physical copies, not the actual subscription?
Also, they removed all work they didn't have the rights to (that's artist and distributor/ publishers of the artist publishing rights). Parody law would save the content, but the artists and distributors/ publishers of the works could still send dmca's. They'd also no doubt piss off wani. This would have all been a part of the contract with wani, no doubt. Nobody wants to do legit business with a company that's stealing other work on the side. So, they would have said they have to go legal by a certain time. If they didn't, no doubt they'd get a lot of other dmca's after that, which I imagine the other publishers wouldn't be as good as wani.
Also, they removed all work they didn't have the rights to (that's artist and distributor/ publishers of the artist publishing rights). Parody law would save the content, but the artists and distributors/ publishers of the works could still send dmca's. They'd also no doubt piss off wani. This would have all been a part of the contract with wani, no doubt. Nobody wants to do legit business with a company that's stealing other work on the side. So, they would have said they have to go legal by a certain time. If they didn't, no doubt they'd get a lot of other dmca's after that, which I imagine the other publishers wouldn't be as good as wani.
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XenotheWise135
Kinky Trap
I'm pretty sure Jacob came out and said that removing doujinshi was a moral decision as opposed to a legal one. Y'see, the artists of the doujinshi themselves cannot order Fakku to remove their content, as they do not own the rights to the copyrighted material it is based upon, i.e. the parody.
At that point, the only people capable of giving a "takedown notice" are the publishers of the original IP, such as Viz and other associated localized manga companies. Fakku was under no pressure from Wani to remove those, since the doujinshi themselves do not have any legal ground to stand on. Wani publishes original manga from a wide variety of artists, and as such they have nothing to lose from there being doujins on the site.
Jacob did it not because he had to, not because Wani pressured him to, but because he felt that everything Fakku has been doing lately is for the artists and them receiving credit for their work. Morally, this would even include the artists that draw parodies.
At that point, the only people capable of giving a "takedown notice" are the publishers of the original IP, such as Viz and other associated localized manga companies. Fakku was under no pressure from Wani to remove those, since the doujinshi themselves do not have any legal ground to stand on. Wani publishes original manga from a wide variety of artists, and as such they have nothing to lose from there being doujins on the site.
Jacob did it not because he had to, not because Wani pressured him to, but because he felt that everything Fakku has been doing lately is for the artists and them receiving credit for their work. Morally, this would even include the artists that draw parodies.
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Cruz
Dope Stone Lion
XenotheWise135 wrote...
I'm pretty sure Jacob came out and said that removing doujinshi was a moral decision as opposed to a legal one. Y'see, the artists of the doujinshi themselves cannot order Fakku to remove their content, as they do not own the rights to the copyrighted material it is based upon, i.e. the parody.At that point, the only people capable of giving a "takedown notice" are the publishers of the original IP, such as Viz and other associated localized manga companies. Fakku was under no pressure from Wani to remove those, since the doujinshi themselves do not have any legal ground to stand on. Wani publishes original manga from a wide variety of artists, and as such they have nothing to lose from there being doujins on the site.
Jacob did it not because he had to, not because Wani pressured him to, but because he felt that everything Fakku has been doing lately is for the artists and them receiving credit for their work. Morally, this would even include the artists that draw parodies.
Wani publishes original works.
They're the legal owners of the materials they publish. (Or whatever deal they have with the artist whom they publish)
So for works published under their magazine, yes, they did have legal ground to stand on. DMCA notices hit other websites too before the deal was struck up.
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XenotheWise135
Kinky Trap
cruz737 wrote...
XenotheWise135 wrote...
I'm pretty sure Jacob came out and said that removing doujinshi was a moral decision as opposed to a legal one. Y'see, the artists of the doujinshi themselves cannot order Fakku to remove their content, as they do not own the rights to the copyrighted material it is based upon, i.e. the parody.At that point, the only people capable of giving a "takedown notice" are the publishers of the original IP, such as Viz and other associated localized manga companies. Fakku was under no pressure from Wani to remove those, since the doujinshi themselves do not have any legal ground to stand on. Wani publishes original manga from a wide variety of artists, and as such they have nothing to lose from there being doujins on the site.
Jacob did it not because he had to, not because Wani pressured him to, but because he felt that everything Fakku has been doing lately is for the artists and them receiving credit for their work. Morally, this would even include the artists that draw parodies.
Wani publishes original works.
They're the legal owners of the materials they publish. (Or whatever deal they have with the artist whom they publish)
So for works published under their magazine, yes, they did have legal ground to stand on. DMCA notices hit other websites too before the deal was struck up.
I was talking about parody doujins.
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Cruz
Dope Stone Lion
XenotheWise135 wrote...
cruz737 wrote...
XenotheWise135 wrote...
I'm pretty sure Jacob came out and said that removing doujinshi was a moral decision as opposed to a legal one. Y'see, the artists of the doujinshi themselves cannot order Fakku to remove their content, as they do not own the rights to the copyrighted material it is based upon, i.e. the parody.At that point, the only people capable of giving a "takedown notice" are the publishers of the original IP, such as Viz and other associated localized manga companies. Fakku was under no pressure from Wani to remove those, since the doujinshi themselves do not have any legal ground to stand on. Wani publishes original manga from a wide variety of artists, and as such they have nothing to lose from there being doujins on the site.
Jacob did it not because he had to, not because Wani pressured him to, but because he felt that everything Fakku has been doing lately is for the artists and them receiving credit for their work. Morally, this would even include the artists that draw parodies.
Wani publishes original works.
They're the legal owners of the materials they publish. (Or whatever deal they have with the artist whom they publish)
So for works published under their magazine, yes, they did have legal ground to stand on. DMCA notices hit other websites too before the deal was struck up.
I was talking about parody doujins.
"Jacob did it not because he had to, not because Wani pressured him to, " I assumed you were talking about original works owned by Wani. They did sent out DMCA notices to other sites. Otherwise you're pointing out the obvious that Wani can't make other sites take down work not even associated with them.
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XenotheWise135
Kinky Trap
cruz737 wrote...
XenotheWise135 wrote...
cruz737 wrote...
XenotheWise135 wrote...
I'm pretty sure Jacob came out and said that removing doujinshi was a moral decision as opposed to a legal one. Y'see, the artists of the doujinshi themselves cannot order Fakku to remove their content, as they do not own the rights to the copyrighted material it is based upon, i.e. the parody.At that point, the only people capable of giving a "takedown notice" are the publishers of the original IP, such as Viz and other associated localized manga companies. Fakku was under no pressure from Wani to remove those, since the doujinshi themselves do not have any legal ground to stand on. Wani publishes original manga from a wide variety of artists, and as such they have nothing to lose from there being doujins on the site.
Jacob did it not because he had to, not because Wani pressured him to, but because he felt that everything Fakku has been doing lately is for the artists and them receiving credit for their work. Morally, this would even include the artists that draw parodies.
Wani publishes original works.
They're the legal owners of the materials they publish. (Or whatever deal they have with the artist whom they publish)
So for works published under their magazine, yes, they did have legal ground to stand on. DMCA notices hit other websites too before the deal was struck up.
I was talking about parody doujins.
"Jacob did it not because he had to, not because Wani pressured him to, " I assumed you were talking about original works owned by Wani. They did sent out DMCA notices to other sites. Otherwise you're pointing out the obvious that Wani can't make other sites take down work not even associated with them.
Somebody earlier in the topic mentioned that parody doujins were removed because Wani wouldn't like it or something similar.
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Drifter995
Neko//Night
XenotheWise135 wrote...
cruz737 wrote...
XenotheWise135 wrote...
cruz737 wrote...
XenotheWise135 wrote...
I'm pretty sure Jacob came out and said that removing doujinshi was a moral decision as opposed to a legal one. Y'see, the artists of the doujinshi themselves cannot order Fakku to remove their content, as they do not own the rights to the copyrighted material it is based upon, i.e. the parody.At that point, the only people capable of giving a "takedown notice" are the publishers of the original IP, such as Viz and other associated localized manga companies. Fakku was under no pressure from Wani to remove those, since the doujinshi themselves do not have any legal ground to stand on. Wani publishes original manga from a wide variety of artists, and as such they have nothing to lose from there being doujins on the site.
Jacob did it not because he had to, not because Wani pressured him to, but because he felt that everything Fakku has been doing lately is for the artists and them receiving credit for their work. Morally, this would even include the artists that draw parodies.
Wani publishes original works.
They're the legal owners of the materials they publish. (Or whatever deal they have with the artist whom they publish)
So for works published under their magazine, yes, they did have legal ground to stand on. DMCA notices hit other websites too before the deal was struck up.
I was talking about parody doujins.
"Jacob did it not because he had to, not because Wani pressured him to, " I assumed you were talking about original works owned by Wani. They did sent out DMCA notices to other sites. Otherwise you're pointing out the obvious that Wani can't make other sites take down work not even associated with them.
Somebody earlier in the topic mentioned that parody doujins were removed because Wani wouldn't like it or something similar.
I said it probably was part of the deal that everything non licensed was to be removed as part of the wani deal. No proper business likes putting their name officially with people stealing others content.
But, the other part would have been realising it's not viable, and wanting other companies to jump on board, which would need no pirated content/ scanlations in general
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Iamnotchrishansen
Jiggy Blackson
cruz737 wrote...
Well they do have some "doujins" since I saw that doxy one on the Frontpage a while ago.But they're in a tricky place. In Japan profit parodies are allowed, not here, and who ever owns the IP can request a takedown of that material. Plus it's not proper to hold content that they don't have expressed permission to hold anymore.
Not even doujins are protected by fair use?
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XenotheWise135
Kinky Trap
Iamnotchrishansen wrote...
cruz737 wrote...
Well they do have some "doujins" since I saw that doxy one on the Frontpage a while ago.But they're in a tricky place. In Japan profit parodies are allowed, not here, and who ever owns the IP can request a takedown of that material. Plus it's not proper to hold content that they don't have expressed permission to hold anymore.
Not even doujins are protected by fair use?
Essentially, it's a legal minefield that's avoided in Japan through only producing limited, physical copies. Removing them from the site isn't a matter of whether it's legal or not, but to support artists further. Every move Fakku is making is for the authors, those who own the copyright to their works or not. It's a moral decision.
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Cruz
Dope Stone Lion
Iamnotchrishansen wrote...
cruz737 wrote...
Well they do have some "doujins" since I saw that doxy one on the Frontpage a while ago.But they're in a tricky place. In Japan profit parodies are allowed, not here, and who ever owns the IP can request a takedown of that material. Plus it's not proper to hold content that they don't have expressed permission to hold anymore.
Not even doujins are protected by fair use?
Well, non-profit parodies are supposedly, here in the states.