Is Vanilla useless or meaningful?
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Mr.Everwood
will see you now ;)
That title might sound weird to a lot of you, but I'm just trying to express something I've been thinking about lately. It began when I read this comment:
Vanilla is the most popular genre in hentai by a wide margin, and it's what FAKKU mostly focus on. Jacob even used it to show people that hentai is not something to be rejected as gross. But is it just escapism for virgins? I'm a virgin, unfortunately, and I'm a huge fan of vanilla. So, once I pop my cherry will vanilla cease to be pleasant and just get boring?
There was a time when I like most people thought of hentai as just being weird fetishes and misogyny. So when I discovered vanilla I was very happy. Ever since Free! came out I had been desperate to find a piece of sexual entertainment for men that could be labeled as sex-positive. Knowing that there were hentai out there that depicted female characters who had personalities, enjoyed sex, and weren't just victims of fantasy-rapists felt very reassuring. I know people have all sorts of opinions regarding this, but I think I am something of a sex-positive feminist no matter how much I try to deny it. In fact, a sex-positive feminist has said one of my favourite quotes ever:
Sex isn't something a man takes from you, it's something you dive into with gutso and enjoy just as much as he does.
That's the kind of attitude I prefer to see reflected in my hentai. But it doesn't mean I think all hentai should be like that. If you look at the history of erotic literature it becomes clear that a theme in porn is to indulge in taboo. To dive into the parts of our minds that we don't necessarily want people to know about, but that we have a secret desire to indulge. So there's definitely a place for hentai like, for example, Bestiary 3. This made me wonder if there was a way to combine the two, to have hentai that indulge in taboo and bizarre fantasies but stays sex-positive. Turns out there is, and I think Witchcraft by Yamatogawa is a good example. Hence why it's my favourite Yamatogawa book.
But now I've begun to notice that a lot of people feel alienated by the huge popularity of vanilla. I've heard phrases like vanilla-faggot and vanilla-standard. I've also noticed that if you don't like NTR it's hard to talk about it without getting downvoted. So, does the fact that I support vanilla make others with more niche tastes feel left out or even oppressed?
The response from critics is confusing. On one hand I've heard Jason Thompson talk about how bizarre hentai are the best hentai, but that it's also the reason he doesn't like hentai. Lynzee Loveridge commented that FAKKU's releases felt formulaic and that there needed to be more variety, which Jacob said there would be. Does variety mean less vanilla or just different art-styles? If it's the latter then does Shoujo Material count as variation? I read this review of Aqua Bless were the reviewer said it felt refreshing to see a hentai that was sex-positive and free from weird fetishes. In his podcast with Jacob, Zac Bertchy commented that the current stereotype about hentai is that it's nothing but misogyny. A claim which Justin Sevakis backed up with an Answerman were he revealed that there are men in Japan who think women are fine with rape, possibly as a result of reading too much hardcore hentai. If so, then the popularity of vanilla would be the best news you can get.
Speaking for myself, I'm not even sure if I can call myself a vanilla-aficionado. There are hentai I enjoy not because they turn me on but because but because I find them interesting/fun. Kito Sakeru & Henreader for example, so far they haven't turned me on but I still love their work. Even so, I lean largely towards vanilla because I want to be happy when I think about sex. To me sex and intimacy is something beautiful, meaningful, heart-warming, joyful, and that's what I want to feel when I read hentai. It may seem like hypocrisy since I'm a virgin, but that's just how I feel about sexuality. Of course it doesn't happen all the time FAKKU publishes a hentai that makes me feel this way, but it sure happens more often than something with tentacles in it. If I were to say I'm an aficionado of anything it would be stories were young male characters get fucked by an older female character. That's my fetish, and it turns me on regardless if it's vanilla or not. Still, when it is vanilla it really, Really, REALLY turns me on.
I just don't think I buy this idea that vanilla is boring and just for virgins. If that's the case, then doesn't that mean sex in general is boring and meaningless unless it's extreme. So is vanilla popular because only virgins read hentai or is it because people want erotica they can relate to/makes them happy/is not to niche but just normal? Speaking for myself as a virgin, I find that reading hentai is not an escape from real sex. On the contrary, it increases my desire for real sex. A drawing works well as a fantasy, but in the end it can't beat flesh and blood. Which is why I don't like live-action porn, because then it actually does feel like an escape. Watching people have sex instead of having sex myself doesn't feel right, with hentai the fact that it's a drawing allows for a level of abstraction that makes it work exclusively as a fantasy. It also allows for satisfaction that isn't sexual: you can also enjoy the great art and storytelling (THIS is what amateur-porn looks like in hentai).
I'll get my fix of the real thing thanks to Tinder ;)
I know it's different strokes for different folks. Some people need more spice in their rice, as I like to say, and it would be absurd to say that vanilla is being crapped upon considering its huge popularity. But I just wanted to explain how I feel about vanilla and ask these questions I've been thinking about for some time now. So any thoughts? Is the popularity of vanilla a good thing or a bad thing?
Malkuth wrote...
I hate vanilla, that is for chubby chicks, cherry boys, and wizards... it's fiction, not your life, we get so much vanilla IRL, I want to imagine about something totally different... NTR/guro/gangrape/mindbend/etc.Vanilla is the most popular genre in hentai by a wide margin, and it's what FAKKU mostly focus on. Jacob even used it to show people that hentai is not something to be rejected as gross. But is it just escapism for virgins? I'm a virgin, unfortunately, and I'm a huge fan of vanilla. So, once I pop my cherry will vanilla cease to be pleasant and just get boring?
There was a time when I like most people thought of hentai as just being weird fetishes and misogyny. So when I discovered vanilla I was very happy. Ever since Free! came out I had been desperate to find a piece of sexual entertainment for men that could be labeled as sex-positive. Knowing that there were hentai out there that depicted female characters who had personalities, enjoyed sex, and weren't just victims of fantasy-rapists felt very reassuring. I know people have all sorts of opinions regarding this, but I think I am something of a sex-positive feminist no matter how much I try to deny it. In fact, a sex-positive feminist has said one of my favourite quotes ever:
Sex isn't something a man takes from you, it's something you dive into with gutso and enjoy just as much as he does.
That's the kind of attitude I prefer to see reflected in my hentai. But it doesn't mean I think all hentai should be like that. If you look at the history of erotic literature it becomes clear that a theme in porn is to indulge in taboo. To dive into the parts of our minds that we don't necessarily want people to know about, but that we have a secret desire to indulge. So there's definitely a place for hentai like, for example, Bestiary 3. This made me wonder if there was a way to combine the two, to have hentai that indulge in taboo and bizarre fantasies but stays sex-positive. Turns out there is, and I think Witchcraft by Yamatogawa is a good example. Hence why it's my favourite Yamatogawa book.
But now I've begun to notice that a lot of people feel alienated by the huge popularity of vanilla. I've heard phrases like vanilla-faggot and vanilla-standard. I've also noticed that if you don't like NTR it's hard to talk about it without getting downvoted. So, does the fact that I support vanilla make others with more niche tastes feel left out or even oppressed?
The response from critics is confusing. On one hand I've heard Jason Thompson talk about how bizarre hentai are the best hentai, but that it's also the reason he doesn't like hentai. Lynzee Loveridge commented that FAKKU's releases felt formulaic and that there needed to be more variety, which Jacob said there would be. Does variety mean less vanilla or just different art-styles? If it's the latter then does Shoujo Material count as variation? I read this review of Aqua Bless were the reviewer said it felt refreshing to see a hentai that was sex-positive and free from weird fetishes. In his podcast with Jacob, Zac Bertchy commented that the current stereotype about hentai is that it's nothing but misogyny. A claim which Justin Sevakis backed up with an Answerman were he revealed that there are men in Japan who think women are fine with rape, possibly as a result of reading too much hardcore hentai. If so, then the popularity of vanilla would be the best news you can get.
Speaking for myself, I'm not even sure if I can call myself a vanilla-aficionado. There are hentai I enjoy not because they turn me on but because but because I find them interesting/fun. Kito Sakeru & Henreader for example, so far they haven't turned me on but I still love their work. Even so, I lean largely towards vanilla because I want to be happy when I think about sex. To me sex and intimacy is something beautiful, meaningful, heart-warming, joyful, and that's what I want to feel when I read hentai. It may seem like hypocrisy since I'm a virgin, but that's just how I feel about sexuality. Of course it doesn't happen all the time FAKKU publishes a hentai that makes me feel this way, but it sure happens more often than something with tentacles in it. If I were to say I'm an aficionado of anything it would be stories were young male characters get fucked by an older female character. That's my fetish, and it turns me on regardless if it's vanilla or not. Still, when it is vanilla it really, Really, REALLY turns me on.
I just don't think I buy this idea that vanilla is boring and just for virgins. If that's the case, then doesn't that mean sex in general is boring and meaningless unless it's extreme. So is vanilla popular because only virgins read hentai or is it because people want erotica they can relate to/makes them happy/is not to niche but just normal? Speaking for myself as a virgin, I find that reading hentai is not an escape from real sex. On the contrary, it increases my desire for real sex. A drawing works well as a fantasy, but in the end it can't beat flesh and blood. Which is why I don't like live-action porn, because then it actually does feel like an escape. Watching people have sex instead of having sex myself doesn't feel right, with hentai the fact that it's a drawing allows for a level of abstraction that makes it work exclusively as a fantasy. It also allows for satisfaction that isn't sexual: you can also enjoy the great art and storytelling (THIS is what amateur-porn looks like in hentai).
I'll get my fix of the real thing thanks to Tinder ;)
I know it's different strokes for different folks. Some people need more spice in their rice, as I like to say, and it would be absurd to say that vanilla is being crapped upon considering its huge popularity. But I just wanted to explain how I feel about vanilla and ask these questions I've been thinking about for some time now. So any thoughts? Is the popularity of vanilla a good thing or a bad thing?
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Romana
FAKKU Letterer
Vanilla is the romance novel equiv to the hentai fanbase. Nothing wrong with it. Some people don't look for it in a relationship, and other people do. Some people are just romantics are heart. And other people just like happy sex and know that vanilla is the safest place to find that.
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Most vanilla is just boring and predictable it all depends on how good the artist is at being a writer for vanilla to be good. There are other works that are sex positive but aren't vanilla if you look hard enough.
Fakku is formulaic in their releases as you can tell that when they do release other genre they make sure to cover the costs and also release vanilla along side it so as not to turn ppl away.
But then again you have to think about this quote "just because you can do something doesn't mean you should"
Vanilla is great but constant streams of it gets to be plain and boring especially when you know the plot from the first two pages. However hentai that goes too far shouldn't be praised as something good. I practice my own motto of "if you can't show or tell your friends about it it's not something that should be posted."
Fakku is formulaic in their releases as you can tell that when they do release other genre they make sure to cover the costs and also release vanilla along side it so as not to turn ppl away.
But then again you have to think about this quote "just because you can do something doesn't mean you should"
Vanilla is great but constant streams of it gets to be plain and boring especially when you know the plot from the first two pages. However hentai that goes too far shouldn't be praised as something good. I practice my own motto of "if you can't show or tell your friends about it it's not something that should be posted."
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animefreak_usa
Child of Samael
Only vanilla that boring is straight artificial vanilla extract ice milk. If it has a good story and it not plain sappy then it's french vanilla or vanilla bean ice cream. Not bad but not good.
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Dashiell
DirtyDeedsDunDirtCheap
I'm considering vanilla as neutral, it's neither bad or good, it's just starter before you find your stuff.
The problem with vanilla is that it contains mostly unoriginal stories which gets old really fast, of course other fetishes can cross with vanilla to create something different, rather unexpected of genre which will be nice diversification but standard vanilla is really really bland.
That's why people seek something different, fantasy which usually can't be granted in real life that shows how far lewd imagination can take you.
Is vanilla's popularity bad thing? Rather not, it just shows that people prefer normal sex over fetishes. Is it bad for hentai, probably because it hinders possible diversity that hentai shines at - authors will simply draw vanilla because it's safe buck over doing something niche that might or might not make living.
That said Torotoro Resistance has proved that you can break niche market jackpot if you release some quality stuff.
The problem with vanilla is that it contains mostly unoriginal stories which gets old really fast, of course other fetishes can cross with vanilla to create something different, rather unexpected of genre which will be nice diversification but standard vanilla is really really bland.
That's why people seek something different, fantasy which usually can't be granted in real life that shows how far lewd imagination can take you.
Is vanilla's popularity bad thing? Rather not, it just shows that people prefer normal sex over fetishes. Is it bad for hentai, probably because it hinders possible diversity that hentai shines at - authors will simply draw vanilla because it's safe buck over doing something niche that might or might not make living.
That said Torotoro Resistance has proved that you can break niche market jackpot if you release some quality stuff.
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Likhos01
Monster Girl Lover
A person of fine taste is capable of enjoying every genre as long as it achieves his standards in term of story and art.
Spitting on any genre of story is what retards do.
I dislike NTR but can appreciate an artists personal take on the concept, especially if it has personality. I will defend NTR against any person bashing it because I loathe the "stop liking what I hate" mentality.
On the other hand I like Vanilla but have come to find vanilla stories that were boring me to death.
A genre doesn't make the story good, it's how it's constructed as a story.
In short: leave the plebs to fight for which genre is best, we, the great minds know they don't matter.
Now a small insight: In my opinion Vanilla is the resting place of hentai, it's like resting in a warm bed, except resting in a warm bed for too long will start to bore you, it's best to get out of the comfort zone and check the weirder stuff from time to time, who knows, you might find a few fetish.
Spitting on any genre of story is what retards do.
I dislike NTR but can appreciate an artists personal take on the concept, especially if it has personality. I will defend NTR against any person bashing it because I loathe the "stop liking what I hate" mentality.
On the other hand I like Vanilla but have come to find vanilla stories that were boring me to death.
A genre doesn't make the story good, it's how it's constructed as a story.
In short: leave the plebs to fight for which genre is best, we, the great minds know they don't matter.
Now a small insight: In my opinion Vanilla is the resting place of hentai, it's like resting in a warm bed, except resting in a warm bed for too long will start to bore you, it's best to get out of the comfort zone and check the weirder stuff from time to time, who knows, you might find a few fetish.
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Ahem, Vanilla is not that bad and, I do enjoy it the most probably :/. Saying that someone is immature, or cherry boy because of what person prefers to read is lame. To begin with it is truth that vanilla is a bit plain, and more oriented for youngsters. New generation of readers that are not accustomed to comics and do not have a lot of experience may be satisfied with them :) Furthermore anyway there aren't many authors that make vanilla or romance comics more exciting by involving something exotic, like toys or something similar to that, it would surely lead to more hardcore, entertaining scenarios .. so that's a bit sad actually, but not horrible. Good stories pop sometimes, plain stories are bearing to read too.. not going complain way too much.
I honestly believe that not only story, but and art is very important and even the most plain manga with good art, and sexy scenes can be successful. The most boring plots in h-mangas are usually similar to Shoujo genre mangas for me , but just with additional intercourse scene that's not enough to make it interesting to readm because the whole comic is usually about teenagers not being able to convey their feelings to each other and once they fall for each other and sleep together the whole meaningless manga ends at 16 pages. For a person that has read various mangas this is very boring and common :) but if art is good and mangaka is able to convey that vanilla in a very sexy way, then it's worth the time..
It really depends on how the the whole thing, manga is executed as explained above. In reality there's some truth that manga or books may reflect the personality of a person but doesn't vanilla prove that you're normal? There's nothing wrong being normal, and if you like sometimes to read easy going romance stories that doesn't mean you're a loser with pink glasses. :D
In addition if we speak about some netorare ... lets be honest that the stories usually have even worse plot than plain vanillas(especially one shots) I actually do not understand some haters, that read them just to see some mind broken girls pictures , but criticizes vanilla or basic romance story that is actually more similar to reality, at least the plot there is realistic. Furthermore what's so nice about strange plot in most of netorare comics where random chick is so stupid to mess,ruin her own daily life ? Also seeing girls filmed on cameras or blackmailed is very plain plot there too... .
In conclusion some people read netorare just for mind break scenes and it's sort of fetish being sadistic and see someone suffer not even caring for the plot, yes some people are naive that read vanilla and think that is perfect and even assume life should be like that.. but not everyone :) So not depending on genre now days most of the plots, scenarios are out dated and can be plain not depending on genre. I do enjoy some netorare m if the plot is decent and most likely it's decent if it's not one shotm but tankoubon. Lately it is interesting to see mangas where the guy is not a vimp that cries in a corner if his girl is raped, but musters the courage to take the girl back from the rapist and doesn't care at all if she's been dirtied. I am okay with the stories as long as the author doesn't kill someone in manga, make his own reader feel disgust, not all of us read manga for these feelings, neither it does excite us all.
I was not fond when Takeda Hiromitsu came back after his long hiatus and made Ima Real one shot that was plain vanilla with good art into tankoubon of idol gangbang with absurd plot (but yeah that oneshot was lame and plain, but still .. ) his new work is better now, and hope it gets picked (sister breeder or something). I am not a fan of Shindol either, although his stories have meaning at least, and can actually teach maybe a person something meaningful in life , but it's still a fantasy and if you just want to chill, but not read someone getting raped,killed there's no point in reading it ;)
That Fakku announced Netorare book that's still in process is not my cup of tea either, not going to spoil a lot , but people dying in manga and all psychological stuff is not to my taste :) People are different, and it's clear that there are more people liking normal straight stuff like vanilla with a little bit of exotic plot in it, instead of fantasy break mind stuff. I do not blame people for liking netorare, mind break , and their lame stories about someone dying and suffering as all of use have different fetishes and tastes so people reading different genres should not be criticized either. Every single of us has unique taste and we have freedom of choice to pick the most suitable genre to read.. ;) For me having Napata,Hamao,Yakiniku, Hisasi, Kizuki , sumiya, Homunculus is enough and it is hearth warming to read :)
I honestly believe that not only story, but and art is very important and even the most plain manga with good art, and sexy scenes can be successful. The most boring plots in h-mangas are usually similar to Shoujo genre mangas for me , but just with additional intercourse scene that's not enough to make it interesting to readm because the whole comic is usually about teenagers not being able to convey their feelings to each other and once they fall for each other and sleep together the whole meaningless manga ends at 16 pages. For a person that has read various mangas this is very boring and common :) but if art is good and mangaka is able to convey that vanilla in a very sexy way, then it's worth the time..
It really depends on how the the whole thing, manga is executed as explained above. In reality there's some truth that manga or books may reflect the personality of a person but doesn't vanilla prove that you're normal? There's nothing wrong being normal, and if you like sometimes to read easy going romance stories that doesn't mean you're a loser with pink glasses. :D
In addition if we speak about some netorare ... lets be honest that the stories usually have even worse plot than plain vanillas(especially one shots) I actually do not understand some haters, that read them just to see some mind broken girls pictures , but criticizes vanilla or basic romance story that is actually more similar to reality, at least the plot there is realistic. Furthermore what's so nice about strange plot in most of netorare comics where random chick is so stupid to mess,ruin her own daily life ? Also seeing girls filmed on cameras or blackmailed is very plain plot there too... .
In conclusion some people read netorare just for mind break scenes and it's sort of fetish being sadistic and see someone suffer not even caring for the plot, yes some people are naive that read vanilla and think that is perfect and even assume life should be like that.. but not everyone :) So not depending on genre now days most of the plots, scenarios are out dated and can be plain not depending on genre. I do enjoy some netorare m if the plot is decent and most likely it's decent if it's not one shotm but tankoubon. Lately it is interesting to see mangas where the guy is not a vimp that cries in a corner if his girl is raped, but musters the courage to take the girl back from the rapist and doesn't care at all if she's been dirtied. I am okay with the stories as long as the author doesn't kill someone in manga, make his own reader feel disgust, not all of us read manga for these feelings, neither it does excite us all.
I was not fond when Takeda Hiromitsu came back after his long hiatus and made Ima Real one shot that was plain vanilla with good art into tankoubon of idol gangbang with absurd plot (but yeah that oneshot was lame and plain, but still .. ) his new work is better now, and hope it gets picked (sister breeder or something). I am not a fan of Shindol either, although his stories have meaning at least, and can actually teach maybe a person something meaningful in life , but it's still a fantasy and if you just want to chill, but not read someone getting raped,killed there's no point in reading it ;)
That Fakku announced Netorare book that's still in process is not my cup of tea either, not going to spoil a lot , but people dying in manga and all psychological stuff is not to my taste :) People are different, and it's clear that there are more people liking normal straight stuff like vanilla with a little bit of exotic plot in it, instead of fantasy break mind stuff. I do not blame people for liking netorare, mind break , and their lame stories about someone dying and suffering as all of use have different fetishes and tastes so people reading different genres should not be criticized either. Every single of us has unique taste and we have freedom of choice to pick the most suitable genre to read.. ;) For me having Napata,Hamao,Yakiniku, Hisasi, Kizuki , sumiya, Homunculus is enough and it is hearth warming to read :)
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CronaBaka
Mellow Yellow
Dorall wrote...
Ahem, Vanilla is not that bad and I do enjoy it the most probably :/. Claiming that you're immature or cherry boy, because of what you read is lame. Although it is truth that vanilla is sometimes plain and mostly these days oriented for youngsters or people that are newcomers and works like that are still freshly pleasant to them to read. :) There aren't many authors that make vanilla or normal just intercourse manga full of fetishes or something like hardcore more exciting than plain .. For Vanilla or any manga plot and art is very important and if it's like shoujo manga with intercourse and 15 pages about children conveying their feelings to each other then it is like a bit boring for me who has read tons of the same stories previously :) but sometimes and plain stories are nice to read. It really depends on how it's done, and it's clear that it doesn't have anything to do with the person reading it as the genres are just like the tastes of music,or any other preferences and they reflect only a little of your personality, you can be gangster and read shoujo manga haha. If you like vanilla you're not stupid or deaf, naive. In addition some netorare stories usually or most of the time have the worst plot ever and I actually do not understand some haters that read even worse stuff but complain that harem or other stuff where MC is happy in the end is not good while it's the same fantasy fiction story and those harem ganbang vanillas instead of the netorare sometimes have way better plot. What's so cool reading about idiotic characters, girls tarnishing their life, they're made beyond stupid on purpose and reading is total bull even in comparison to vanillas or just normal hook up stories, harems, orgies where none suffers. In conclusion some people read netorare just for mind break scenes and it's sort of fetish being sadistic and see someone suffer not even noticing the plot, yes some people are naive that read vanilla too but the plot there isn't that out of common sense :) I enjoy some netorare sometimes or stories where the guy musters the courage to take the girl back and doesn't pussy if she's been dirtied or even if it's the story about easy going life and multiple partners as long as there's no people dying in it or MC being put on purpose into mind broken state to shake the reader and usually by shitty plot :) Honestly myself , I am not fond when Takeda Hiromitsu Came after his hiatus and made Ima Real one shot into tankoubon of gangbang (but yeah that oneshot was lame and plain, but still .. ), his new work is better and hope it gets picked. Not fan of Shindol either, although his stories have meaning at least and can actually teach maybe something if you're a little naive girl maybe? haha , or that fetishist.That Fakku announced Netorare work is not my cup of tea either, not going to spoil but people dying in manga, gore and more of that is not my taste :) People are different and it's clear that there are more people liking normal straight stuff with a little bit of exotic plot in it instead of fantasy break mind stuff, although I do not blame people for liking netorare, mind break and lame most lame plots about someone dying and suffering, like we all have different tastes , it's just please don't make it sound like your own tastes are for everyone to follow or like.. . We all have the ability to choose and should not blame or criticize each other tastes, especially when your own are actually not better at all even ;) For me having Napata,Hamao,Yakiniku, Hisasi, Kizuki , sumiya, Homunculus is enough and hearth warming to read :) someone other prefers different art styles and plots, if you do not enjoy the stuff just skip it. :)A bit more punctuation would be nice. It hurts my eyes. @_@
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623
FAKKU QA
Echoing what others have said, vanilla is fine, but everything gets boring when you have too much of it. I can appreciate vanilla, but only when I like the art. Other than that, it's just too bland. It's why I use Ex in addition to Fakku; I need my shota, gangbang, and futa fixes. Simple girl-meets-boy-and-they-bang is meh (and those boyfriend and girlfriend virgin first time stories I hate the most).
However, Fakku brings uncensored to the table, which is awesome. So, good art and uncensored can make me appreciate vanilla more than I normally would.
However, Fakku brings uncensored to the table, which is awesome. So, good art and uncensored can make me appreciate vanilla more than I normally would.
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GODsHandOnEarth
(Not-so-)Grim Reaper
Strangely enough I preffer nice vanilla stories for hentai and BDSM for actual porn.
Maybe it's beacause I don't see hentai as porn and thus care more for the wellbeing of the characters while when looking at porn I'm more like "Come on, amuse the emperor!"...
Maybe it's beacause I don't see hentai as porn and thus care more for the wellbeing of the characters while when looking at porn I'm more like "Come on, amuse the emperor!"...
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Holoofyoistu
The Messenger
I walk both sides of the line as far as hentai goes, i enjoy the most twisted and mentally harmful ntr, but i also love vanilla, hell, the fakku release of Renai sample may very well be my favorite OHM of all time, and I've absorbed a ton, and i mean a metric fuck ton, of content.
Vanilla is good for your soul, bottom line
Vanilla is good for your soul, bottom line
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Brittany
FAKKU Production Mngr
No, vanilla is anything but useless. I wrote this in another thread, but I'll post it here:
You can't convey these type of internal dialogues in real porn for you to feel any type of feeling towards anyone in real porn. You're just somebody looking in a window watching people fuck. With hentai you can look at situations through whatever perspective the artist wants you to look through, and I think it takes a certain type of talent for you to convey real feelings, in a realistic scenario, within 18 pages that make the character an individual with a unique personality and issues.
Brittany wrote...
I know one of the biggest appeals to hentai is the fact that it can be crazy and unrealistic. However, to me one of the biggest appeals to hentai is when you can make it relateable and realistic. You can't convey these type of internal dialogues in real porn for you to feel any type of feeling towards anyone in real porn. You're just somebody looking in a window watching people fuck. With hentai you can look at situations through whatever perspective the artist wants you to look through, and I think it takes a certain type of talent for you to convey real feelings, in a realistic scenario, within 18 pages that make the character an individual with a unique personality and issues.
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Definitely useful. Based on the content selection for this site, I think it might be safe to infer that Vanilla is the most popular tag and the type of content that the majority of people enjoy. It serves the purpose of a tag, to help users find the content they want.
On the other hand, I was thinking it might be useful to to have an opposing tag. Something like "Cacao" (which is bitter, but probably sounds terrible as a tag name). This would be for content which is intended to be unpleasant. Dunno if it's justified, any thoughts on this?
On the other hand, I was thinking it might be useful to to have an opposing tag. Something like "Cacao" (which is bitter, but probably sounds terrible as a tag name). This would be for content which is intended to be unpleasant. Dunno if it's justified, any thoughts on this?
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Cat-ness
NekoMancer
ChrisBRosado123 wrote...
Definitely useful. Based on the content selection for this site, I think it might be safe to infer that Vanilla is the most popular tag and the type of content that the majority of people enjoy. It serves the purpose of a tag, to help users find the content they want.On the other hand, I was thinking it might be useful to to have an opposing tag. Something like "Cacao" (which is bitter, but probably sounds terrible as a tag name). This would be for content which is intended to be unpleasant. Dunno if it's justified, any thoughts on this?
NTR, exists keep Chocolat out of this
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Cat-ness wrote...
NTR, exists keep Chocolat out of thisNTR is a pretty specific genre. Also NTR doesn't necessarily imply unpleasant.
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Cat-ness
NekoMancer
ChrisBRosado123 wrote...
Cat-ness wrote...
NTR, exists keep Chocolat out of thisNTR is a pretty specific genre. Also NTR doesn't necessarily imply unpleasant.
But, how unpleasant something is, is an opinion which wouldn't work for a tag.
If we do need another tag it one for someone being taken away from the one they love well, the one they love is oblivious. Like in ONI-Chan Separation.
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FAKKU QA
ChrisBRosado123 wrote...
Something like "Cacao"
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Mr.Everwood
will see you now ;)
One thing that some people have said on this topic is that vanilla gets formulaic and predictable which makes it boring. But what I don't understand is why is vanilla singled out on this? Can't any other genre or tag be just as formulaic?
There has been non-vanilla chapters were I could see where the plot was going from the beginning: a girl will be taken by an ugly fat man with a smelly dick - he will fuck her crazy - insert lots of weird faces and body liquids spewing everywhere - then it ends with her broken by pleasure. I can also list examples of vanilla were I didn't see where the plot was going:
Couple
Sexual! Cherry Hunter
Meguru's Circling #4
Love Milk Legend
Bright Disparate Love
I agree though that a chapter has to do more than just being vanilla to be special. It has to have an interesting story with interesting art in order to be special. It can indulge in the sex in a particular way in order to be very sexy. Or it can do both a become the kind of experience I value the most when reading hentai. I will only put a chapter in my favourites if it lives up to this, but I can still casually enjoy a vanilla like most people on this site seem to do. In fact, someone commented that the vanilla-fans on FAKKU are very cute people, which might be rare for a porn-site.
You can't convey these type of internal dialogues in real porn for you to feel any type of feeling towards anyone in real porn. You're just somebody looking in a window watching people fuck. With hentai you can look at situations through whatever perspective the artist wants you to look through, and I think it takes a certain type of talent for you to convey real feelings, in a realistic scenario, within 18 pages that make the character an individual with a unique personality and issues.
^And this is why I think vanilla is a good thing.
There has been non-vanilla chapters were I could see where the plot was going from the beginning: a girl will be taken by an ugly fat man with a smelly dick - he will fuck her crazy - insert lots of weird faces and body liquids spewing everywhere - then it ends with her broken by pleasure. I can also list examples of vanilla were I didn't see where the plot was going:
Couple
Sexual! Cherry Hunter
Meguru's Circling #4
Love Milk Legend
Bright Disparate Love
I agree though that a chapter has to do more than just being vanilla to be special. It has to have an interesting story with interesting art in order to be special. It can indulge in the sex in a particular way in order to be very sexy. Or it can do both a become the kind of experience I value the most when reading hentai. I will only put a chapter in my favourites if it lives up to this, but I can still casually enjoy a vanilla like most people on this site seem to do. In fact, someone commented that the vanilla-fans on FAKKU are very cute people, which might be rare for a porn-site.
Brittany wrote...
I know one of the biggest appeals to hentai is the fact that it can be crazy and unrealistic. However, to me one of the biggest appeals to hentai is when you can make it relateable and realistic. You can't convey these type of internal dialogues in real porn for you to feel any type of feeling towards anyone in real porn. You're just somebody looking in a window watching people fuck. With hentai you can look at situations through whatever perspective the artist wants you to look through, and I think it takes a certain type of talent for you to convey real feelings, in a realistic scenario, within 18 pages that make the character an individual with a unique personality and issues.
^And this is why I think vanilla is a good thing.
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Dashiell
DirtyDeedsDunDirtCheap
Mr.Everwood wrote...
One thing that some people have said on this topic is that vanilla gets formulaic and predictable which makes it boring. But what I don't understand is why is vanilla singled out on this? Can't any other genre or tag be just as formulaic?Of course they can, like NTR where mc is pussy mcpuss that just accepts that his girlfriend is taken away while crying or incest chapters where sister is like never! at beginning and pro whore at the end.
Yet the problem is sheer amount of vanilla releases which just makes it easier to get bored of than getting notification once in a month or three with other releases where you're simply happy that you get something at all.