Let's Get: Fakku's Opinion! #1 - Gender Identity & Expressio
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Foreword: If this should be in SD, put it there. If it should go anywhere other than Random, put it anywhere else. Only if it has to, though. I like it here.
Okay, so... as long as I stay alive here, I'm gonna try to make one of these every week. I'll lay out the first few weeks below, then add on if this proves to be successful in any way.
Week #1: Gender Identity & Expression (And Biological Sex)
Week #2: Sexual Orientation
Week #3: Gender Roles
Week #4: -isms & -phobias in Film and Media
Week #5: Media & Cultural Treatment of Violence, Sex, and Coarse Language
Week #6+: ????? (Politics?)
So, Week #1! This week, we're talking about a topic that's been plaguing me for the last 8 months. Part of why I stopped coming here was the issues I had been dealing with, as well as the disinterest with the ever-changing community (but I'm back, so that means I care about you all :3).
Anyway, Gender Identity and Expression. By extension, this includes Biological Sex, as it is what most people think of when expression comes to mind, as well as the definition for some terms used to define identity.
Some definitions to start us off:
Gender Identity: A person's view of their own gender. This can be seen as ideas of being a man or a woman, consisting primarily of acceptance into male of female societal views.
Gender Expression: Any mannerisms or personal traits which serve to communicate a persons identity and personality as they relate to gender and gender roles. Can be masculine, feminine, or androgynous, lining up with male, female, and non-binary genders, usually.
Biological Sex: Birth sex. Male, female, or intersex (both, in any combination).
There are many different possible gender identities. While Western society typically tries to limit it to two, with very strict requirements set out for one to feel a 'true' member of that gender, there are many who lie outside of what this society has laid out.
These include:
Cisgender: When a person's view of their gender lines up with the sex (and consequently gender) they were assigned at birth. These include masculine males and feminine females.
Transgender: Those whose identities do not line up with what they were born as. Usually used as an umbrella term to cover all the identities under it. Can be shorthanded as trans*, and also described as Genderqueer. People that fit under this, but do not desire medical transitioning are feminine men, masculine women, and some members of all identities.
X-to-Y Transgender: Those who are born as one sex/gender, though they identify as another, usually the opposite end. Typically reserved for individuals transitioning to fit their desired gender. This is shown in Male-to-Female (MtF) individuals, as well as FtM, and others, including MtA (androgyn) as well as more.
Androgyn: One who identifies as between genders (not sexes), and as having both masculine and feminine characteristics, and blending between societal views of each end of the binary.
Bigender: An individual who has two separate, distinct identities. This can be shown either through distinctly masculine or feminine presentations, or simply an internal feeling. It can always vary wildly daily, with some who feel 80% masculine one day, and only 10% masculine another. Also includes Trigender (three identities), agender (no identity), pangender (all identities?), and polygender (more than one).
Transmasculine/Transfeminine: One who is assigned female/male at birth (respectively), and identifies more to the opposite gender than their birth one.
As for Gender Expression, there are three main types, simple enough to define: Masculine (as based upon society), feminine (based one society), and androgynous (between society's expectations).
All of these identities and expressions exist on sliding scales, which can vary daily between individuals. This is natural, and rarely large enough of a difference to make one question their own identity. To explain this, a useful diagram:
So, now that we have that out of the way, time for me to ask everyone a few questions:
1. Where do you lie on these spectrum? Disregard "Attracted to".
2. What is your view of people who are not cisgender?
3. What is your view of people who lie outside/between the binary?
4. What if your view of MtFs and FtMs?
5. What do you believe constitutes masculine & feminine expressions, based on society's view?
6. What is your personal view of masculinity & femininity in terms of expression & identity?
For me!
1. I... well, this is always hard for me. In terms of identity, I would say on the Female-ness part, I lie around the 65% mark, perhaps a bit higher. There are many aspects of being female I like, however have not yet had the chance to experience. This does not make the other 35% male, as I would say I identify about 20% with male-ness. This would place me, in my mind, as transfeminine. As for Expression, currently I am mostly masculine (about 75% masculine), with the odd feminine moment (giggle, posture, walking, and such), so around 15% there.
2-4. I believe that all individuals are entitled to their own identity & expression, and should not be subject to abuse, judgement, or 'correction' for their decision. It's their life, and if they realize they wish to identify differently again at some point, that's fine.
5. Masculinity and femininity are rigidly defined in the media, through gender roles, as well as pressure to conform to beauty standards set out by corporations. Masculinity would be muscularity, facial hair, large-boned bodies, with semi-deep voices, and dress suits/pants. Along with this, strict control of emotions, and an active role in almost everything pursued. Feminine treatments are much the opposite, associated with delicateness, soft skin, high-pitched voices, curves, passive roles, and layering (UGH).
6. Much of it is based off of society, however, I realize that some feminine women do not fit the media's idea, so instead, femininity and masculinity are based off of a few things, such as the individual's physical body at the time, their apparel/dress, and mannerisms. As well, individuals are free to define their own expression based on their own views.
Okay, so... as long as I stay alive here, I'm gonna try to make one of these every week. I'll lay out the first few weeks below, then add on if this proves to be successful in any way.
Week #1: Gender Identity & Expression (And Biological Sex)
Week #2: Sexual Orientation
Week #3: Gender Roles
Week #4: -isms & -phobias in Film and Media
Week #5: Media & Cultural Treatment of Violence, Sex, and Coarse Language
Week #6+: ????? (Politics?)
So, Week #1! This week, we're talking about a topic that's been plaguing me for the last 8 months. Part of why I stopped coming here was the issues I had been dealing with, as well as the disinterest with the ever-changing community (but I'm back, so that means I care about you all :3).
Anyway, Gender Identity and Expression. By extension, this includes Biological Sex, as it is what most people think of when expression comes to mind, as well as the definition for some terms used to define identity.
Some definitions to start us off:
Gender Identity: A person's view of their own gender. This can be seen as ideas of being a man or a woman, consisting primarily of acceptance into male of female societal views.
Gender Expression: Any mannerisms or personal traits which serve to communicate a persons identity and personality as they relate to gender and gender roles. Can be masculine, feminine, or androgynous, lining up with male, female, and non-binary genders, usually.
Biological Sex: Birth sex. Male, female, or intersex (both, in any combination).
There are many different possible gender identities. While Western society typically tries to limit it to two, with very strict requirements set out for one to feel a 'true' member of that gender, there are many who lie outside of what this society has laid out.
These include:
Cisgender: When a person's view of their gender lines up with the sex (and consequently gender) they were assigned at birth. These include masculine males and feminine females.
Transgender: Those whose identities do not line up with what they were born as. Usually used as an umbrella term to cover all the identities under it. Can be shorthanded as trans*, and also described as Genderqueer. People that fit under this, but do not desire medical transitioning are feminine men, masculine women, and some members of all identities.
X-to-Y Transgender: Those who are born as one sex/gender, though they identify as another, usually the opposite end. Typically reserved for individuals transitioning to fit their desired gender. This is shown in Male-to-Female (MtF) individuals, as well as FtM, and others, including MtA (androgyn) as well as more.
Androgyn: One who identifies as between genders (not sexes), and as having both masculine and feminine characteristics, and blending between societal views of each end of the binary.
Bigender: An individual who has two separate, distinct identities. This can be shown either through distinctly masculine or feminine presentations, or simply an internal feeling. It can always vary wildly daily, with some who feel 80% masculine one day, and only 10% masculine another. Also includes Trigender (three identities), agender (no identity), pangender (all identities?), and polygender (more than one).
Transmasculine/Transfeminine: One who is assigned female/male at birth (respectively), and identifies more to the opposite gender than their birth one.
As for Gender Expression, there are three main types, simple enough to define: Masculine (as based upon society), feminine (based one society), and androgynous (between society's expectations).
All of these identities and expressions exist on sliding scales, which can vary daily between individuals. This is natural, and rarely large enough of a difference to make one question their own identity. To explain this, a useful diagram:
Spoiler:
So, now that we have that out of the way, time for me to ask everyone a few questions:
1. Where do you lie on these spectrum? Disregard "Attracted to".
2. What is your view of people who are not cisgender?
3. What is your view of people who lie outside/between the binary?
4. What if your view of MtFs and FtMs?
5. What do you believe constitutes masculine & feminine expressions, based on society's view?
6. What is your personal view of masculinity & femininity in terms of expression & identity?
For me!
1. I... well, this is always hard for me. In terms of identity, I would say on the Female-ness part, I lie around the 65% mark, perhaps a bit higher. There are many aspects of being female I like, however have not yet had the chance to experience. This does not make the other 35% male, as I would say I identify about 20% with male-ness. This would place me, in my mind, as transfeminine. As for Expression, currently I am mostly masculine (about 75% masculine), with the odd feminine moment (giggle, posture, walking, and such), so around 15% there.
2-4. I believe that all individuals are entitled to their own identity & expression, and should not be subject to abuse, judgement, or 'correction' for their decision. It's their life, and if they realize they wish to identify differently again at some point, that's fine.
5. Masculinity and femininity are rigidly defined in the media, through gender roles, as well as pressure to conform to beauty standards set out by corporations. Masculinity would be muscularity, facial hair, large-boned bodies, with semi-deep voices, and dress suits/pants. Along with this, strict control of emotions, and an active role in almost everything pursued. Feminine treatments are much the opposite, associated with delicateness, soft skin, high-pitched voices, curves, passive roles, and layering (UGH).
6. Much of it is based off of society, however, I realize that some feminine women do not fit the media's idea, so instead, femininity and masculinity are based off of a few things, such as the individual's physical body at the time, their apparel/dress, and mannerisms. As well, individuals are free to define their own expression based on their own views.
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1. Where do you lie on these spectrum? Disregard "Attracted to".
-Gender Identity: Cisgender.
Gender Expression: Masculine
Biological Sex:male
2. What is your view of people who are not cisgender?
-I judge no one as long as it does not harm anyone else. In the end we are all people, and should be treated equally.
3. What is your view of people who lie outside/between the binary?
-I judge no one as long as it does not harm anyone else. In the end we are all people, and should be treated equally.
4. What if your view of MtFs and FtMs?
-I judge no one as long as it does not harm anyone else. In the end we are all people, and should be treated equally.
5. What do you believe constitutes masculine & feminine expressions, based on society's view?
-Men would be bulky(not necessarily buff). Fair amount of body and facial hair, height being average(of your country) or taller, low tone voice, dominant. Women would be thin/Curvy, long hair, close to body clothing, long eyelashes, higher tone voice, soft skin, no body or facial hair, shorter than the average man of whatever country you're in.
6. What is your personal view of masculinity & femininity in terms of expression & identity?
-Pretty much with what was said in question #5.
My answers are not flashy, nor long. Just straight to my point.
-Gender Identity: Cisgender.
Gender Expression: Masculine
Biological Sex:male
2. What is your view of people who are not cisgender?
-I judge no one as long as it does not harm anyone else. In the end we are all people, and should be treated equally.
3. What is your view of people who lie outside/between the binary?
-I judge no one as long as it does not harm anyone else. In the end we are all people, and should be treated equally.
4. What if your view of MtFs and FtMs?
-I judge no one as long as it does not harm anyone else. In the end we are all people, and should be treated equally.
5. What do you believe constitutes masculine & feminine expressions, based on society's view?
-Men would be bulky(not necessarily buff). Fair amount of body and facial hair, height being average(of your country) or taller, low tone voice, dominant. Women would be thin/Curvy, long hair, close to body clothing, long eyelashes, higher tone voice, soft skin, no body or facial hair, shorter than the average man of whatever country you're in.
6. What is your personal view of masculinity & femininity in terms of expression & identity?
-Pretty much with what was said in question #5.
My answers are not flashy, nor long. Just straight to my point.
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I'm a male and I have not wavered my viewpoint on what gender I am, I am attracted to females and I am in no way bisexual, my views on the subject is seeing people being discriminated for being "different" or "wierd" because that they wish to deny their natural born sex and choose a gender they wish to associate themselves with.
Technically there are only two sexes, but you can be whatever gender you wish to be, the fact is that your still a human. Nobody should have to feel alienated because that they chose to define themselves as someone others say they are not. People should just continue to believe in their own identity, and in the end you are who you believe you are regardless of another's opinion.
However I do not embrace this ideaology under the circumstance that you are about to get kinky and your girlfriend whips out a shrimp cock and tries to make you jerk himher off. That's fucked, stay the hell away from me you freaky bitches. despite whatever gender you are associated with, you should not deny your biological components or it definitely will cause issues in the future.
Yeah, I'm not very good with the 1-6 structure you set infront of me so I just decided to post this rant. Sorry if you expected something more but I just wanted to post my basic ideas on this.
Technically there are only two sexes, but you can be whatever gender you wish to be, the fact is that your still a human. Nobody should have to feel alienated because that they chose to define themselves as someone others say they are not. People should just continue to believe in their own identity, and in the end you are who you believe you are regardless of another's opinion.
However I do not embrace this ideaology under the circumstance that you are about to get kinky and your girlfriend whips out a shrimp cock and tries to make you jerk himher off. That's fucked, stay the hell away from me you freaky bitches. despite whatever gender you are associated with, you should not deny your biological components or it definitely will cause issues in the future.
Yeah, I'm not very good with the 1-6 structure you set infront of me so I just decided to post this rant. Sorry if you expected something more but I just wanted to post my basic ideas on this.
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1. Where do you lie on these spectrum? Disregard "Attracted to".
>> My gender identity is male.
>> Gender expression is also male.
>> Biological sex is male.
>> In other words I'm straight, though I have an androgynous visage.
2. What is your view of people who are not cisgender?
>> I believe all people should have the right and the freedom on how they live their life, so long as their behavior and acts wont be detrimental and wont be a bother to another individual's life. After all, all human beings are creatures of "free will."
3. What is your view of people who lie outside/between the binary?
>> Answer same as no. 2
4. What if your view of MtFs and FtMs?
>> Answer same as no. 3
5. What do you believe constitutes masculine & feminine expressions, based on society's view?
>> Masculinity: Physically well built (not necessarily muscular), physically active(e.g. sports), short clean cut hair, facial hairs, baritone voice etc.
>> Femininity : Long hair, soft voice, soft slender body, hour-glass body, delicate and caring, supports her man.
6. What is your personal view of masculinity & femininity in terms of expression & identity?
>> My personal view of masculinity and femininity is mostly what the mainstream media presents, nevertheless people should have the right and freedom to express themselves however and whichever they wanted to.
>> My gender identity is male.
>> Gender expression is also male.
>> Biological sex is male.
>> In other words I'm straight, though I have an androgynous visage.
2. What is your view of people who are not cisgender?
>> I believe all people should have the right and the freedom on how they live their life, so long as their behavior and acts wont be detrimental and wont be a bother to another individual's life. After all, all human beings are creatures of "free will."
3. What is your view of people who lie outside/between the binary?
>> Answer same as no. 2
4. What if your view of MtFs and FtMs?
>> Answer same as no. 3
5. What do you believe constitutes masculine & feminine expressions, based on society's view?
>> Masculinity: Physically well built (not necessarily muscular), physically active(e.g. sports), short clean cut hair, facial hairs, baritone voice etc.
>> Femininity : Long hair, soft voice, soft slender body, hour-glass body, delicate and caring, supports her man.
6. What is your personal view of masculinity & femininity in terms of expression & identity?
>> My personal view of masculinity and femininity is mostly what the mainstream media presents, nevertheless people should have the right and freedom to express themselves however and whichever they wanted to.
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1. Where do you lie on these spectrum? Disregard "Attracted to".
-Gender Identity: Androgyn. (only in head, I'm known as a guy to everyone I know)
Gender Expression: Masculine
Biological Sex:male
2. What is your view of people who are not cisgender?
-I judge no one as long as it does not harm anyone else. In the end we are all people, and should be treated equally. (unless they're too "in-your-face" about it. Headstrong, loudmouth lesbians, and flamboyant gays who flount their willies always got on my nerves)
3. What is your view of people who lie outside/between the binary?
-I'm one of them, why should I judge myself ?
4. What if your view of MtFs and FtMs?
-It's not their fault if thir brains were wired to a different body at birth.
5. What do you believe constitutes masculine & feminine expressions, based on society's view?
-Men would be bulky(not necessarily buff). Fair amount of body and facial hair, height being average(of your country) or taller, low tone voice, dominant. Women would be thin/Curvy, long hair, close to body clothing, long eyelashes, higher tone voice, soft skin, no body or facial hair, shorter than the average man of whatever country you're in.
6. What is your personal view of masculinity & femininity in terms of expression & identity?
-It's somewhat blurry, the roles switch at some places.
Though the outward appearance pretty much matches what was lined out in #5
Used your reply as a templete, Badguy. Hope you don't mind it.
-Gender Identity: Androgyn. (only in head, I'm known as a guy to everyone I know)
Gender Expression: Masculine
Biological Sex:male
2. What is your view of people who are not cisgender?
-I judge no one as long as it does not harm anyone else. In the end we are all people, and should be treated equally. (unless they're too "in-your-face" about it. Headstrong, loudmouth lesbians, and flamboyant gays who flount their willies always got on my nerves)
3. What is your view of people who lie outside/between the binary?
-I'm one of them, why should I judge myself ?
4. What if your view of MtFs and FtMs?
-It's not their fault if thir brains were wired to a different body at birth.
5. What do you believe constitutes masculine & feminine expressions, based on society's view?
-Men would be bulky(not necessarily buff). Fair amount of body and facial hair, height being average(of your country) or taller, low tone voice, dominant. Women would be thin/Curvy, long hair, close to body clothing, long eyelashes, higher tone voice, soft skin, no body or facial hair, shorter than the average man of whatever country you're in.
6. What is your personal view of masculinity & femininity in terms of expression & identity?
-It's somewhat blurry, the roles switch at some places.
Though the outward appearance pretty much matches what was lined out in #5
Used your reply as a templete, Badguy. Hope you don't mind it.
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Tegumi
"im always cute"
1.) Identity: Cisgender
Expression: Feeeeeminine?
Biological Sex: Female
2-4.) No problems with them at all.
5.) Uhh, I think pretty much what you'd think society traditionally views things.
6.) I'm most comfortable with people acting whatever gender they identify with, but I wouldn't be seriously upset if someone deviated from that.
Expression: Feeeeeminine?
Biological Sex: Female
2-4.) No problems with them at all.
5.) Uhh, I think pretty much what you'd think society traditionally views things.
6.) I'm most comfortable with people acting whatever gender they identify with, but I wouldn't be seriously upset if someone deviated from that.
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1. Where do you lie on these spectrum?
- Cisgender
2. What is your view of people who are not cisgender?
- Going to my religious Catholic side, I certainly believe more/less hate the idea that people of a chosen gender see themselves as another. It may be hypocritical of me since I like cute drawn girls kissing and such. But then again the argument of reality and imaginary comes into play. When it comes to interaction with these sort of people, I tend to avoid them at any cost. In conclusion, people can do whatever the hell they want but if I had the choice of correcting these people I would.
- this answers 2-4
5. What do you believe constitutes masculine & feminine expressions, based on society's view?
- You know it depends. For the females it clearly changes with each generation. Marilyn Monroe who was the female ideal in the 50's I believe. To now where most supermodels are 5'9 and weigh 105 pounds.
-As for men, I say it depends on the person. Some people like skinny but cute guys others like buff and loud.
6. What is your personal view of masculinity & femininity in terms of expression & identity?
-To make a clear point I am married so I'm a bit biased toward this particular question. My view of an ideal feminine woman in soft skin, beautiful, a nice caring voice (Not quite high pitched, honestly I find it quite annoying), filled with intelligence I can admire, strong in the mind, and that actually spends time with their husbands instead of partying.
- Men just have to be nice and caring.
- For the unbiased part, I feel like in the end men and women can dress and look anyway they want.
- Cisgender
2. What is your view of people who are not cisgender?
- Going to my religious Catholic side, I certainly believe more/less hate the idea that people of a chosen gender see themselves as another. It may be hypocritical of me since I like cute drawn girls kissing and such. But then again the argument of reality and imaginary comes into play. When it comes to interaction with these sort of people, I tend to avoid them at any cost. In conclusion, people can do whatever the hell they want but if I had the choice of correcting these people I would.
- this answers 2-4
5. What do you believe constitutes masculine & feminine expressions, based on society's view?
- You know it depends. For the females it clearly changes with each generation. Marilyn Monroe who was the female ideal in the 50's I believe. To now where most supermodels are 5'9 and weigh 105 pounds.
-As for men, I say it depends on the person. Some people like skinny but cute guys others like buff and loud.
6. What is your personal view of masculinity & femininity in terms of expression & identity?
-To make a clear point I am married so I'm a bit biased toward this particular question. My view of an ideal feminine woman in soft skin, beautiful, a nice caring voice (Not quite high pitched, honestly I find it quite annoying), filled with intelligence I can admire, strong in the mind, and that actually spends time with their husbands instead of partying.
- Men just have to be nice and caring.
- For the unbiased part, I feel like in the end men and women can dress and look anyway they want.
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Cruz
Dope Stone Lion
Quadratic wrote...
There are many different possible gender identities. While Western society typically tries to limit it to two, with very strict requirements set out for one to feel a 'true' member of that gender, there are many who lie outside of what this society has laid out.
Are you sure that's just limited to western society? Not most of the world(with a few notable exceptions), but just western society?
As for you questions.
1. Where do you lie on these spectrum? Disregard "Attracted to".
Well my biological sex is male and I identify myself as such.
2. What is your view of people who are not cisgender?
You mean trans? Yeah I don't mind them. You're "entitled" to you see yourself as you want, but not to how others will and should see you.
3. What is your view of people who lie outside/between the binary?
Biologically, it doesn't happen very often. But I guess my answer is the same as #2's.
4. What if your view of MtFs and FtMs?
It's their bodies and they're not doing harm to others or "society".
It's definitely not normal, but there isn't anything wrong with not being normal.
5. What do you believe constitutes masculine & feminine expressions, based on society's view?
>based on societies views
6. What is your personal view of masculinity & femininity in terms of expression & identity?
Well there's definitely phenotypic differences in humans and based on these differences(well a lot of it also has do with how and why we want to reproduce), we usually take on different roles which leads to different "expressions" and attitudes. Some conclusions are exaggerated at times but for the most part, that's how we decide to act.
I'm obviously not 100% educated on the topic but I will read more about it as time goes on.
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artcellrox
The Grey Knight :y
Finally, an intelligent topic not related to sexual habits and masturbation (not sarcastic).
1. Cisgender masculine male here.
2, 3, 4. Everyone is different and unique in their own way. I won't let their identity/expression/orientation or anything like that cloud my judgement of them prematurely. What I think of a person ultimately falls on their personality and actions.
5. If I were a regular person of society, I'd probably say masculine males are rugged and large; it could be tall, fat or even bulky. For feminine females, petite, lithe and... smooth, I guess?
6. Given the many people I've met thanks to Fakku, and the very... broad spectrum of my own Kinsey scale, I don't think I can really classify males and females into a fixed identity or expression anymore. I've seen the smoothest and most feminine of males, and I've seen the butchiest of females. These days, I don't expect anything anymore, and try to just go with my views expressed in points 2 to 4.
1. Cisgender masculine male here.
2, 3, 4. Everyone is different and unique in their own way. I won't let their identity/expression/orientation or anything like that cloud my judgement of them prematurely. What I think of a person ultimately falls on their personality and actions.
5. If I were a regular person of society, I'd probably say masculine males are rugged and large; it could be tall, fat or even bulky. For feminine females, petite, lithe and... smooth, I guess?
6. Given the many people I've met thanks to Fakku, and the very... broad spectrum of my own Kinsey scale, I don't think I can really classify males and females into a fixed identity or expression anymore. I've seen the smoothest and most feminine of males, and I've seen the butchiest of females. These days, I don't expect anything anymore, and try to just go with my views expressed in points 2 to 4.
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1. Where do you lie on these spectrum?
-As far as identities go, it would be x to y transgender. Might as well put that out in the open now.
My expression leans on both, but its more often masculine.
.2. What is your view of people who are not cisgender?
-I'm fine with it and it doesn't bother me. You're going to like what you like and be what you're going to be. Whether you realize it or not.
3. What is your view of people who lie outside/between the binary?
-Its not really something I understand fully just yet.
4. What if your view of MtFs and FtMs?
-Nothing wrong with them.
5. What do you believe constitutes masculine & feminine expressions, based on society's view?
-Mainly gender roles and whatever is considered the norm. Obviously that varies from place to place.
6. What is your personal view of masculinity & femininity in terms of expression & identity?
-like I said, you're going to be whatever you're going to be. That isn't determined by birth and there are a ton of factors that could tie in to make it varied for everyone. Maybe a matter of perspective? I don't know, not something I think can explained easily.
-As far as identities go, it would be x to y transgender. Might as well put that out in the open now.
My expression leans on both, but its more often masculine.
.2. What is your view of people who are not cisgender?
-I'm fine with it and it doesn't bother me. You're going to like what you like and be what you're going to be. Whether you realize it or not.
3. What is your view of people who lie outside/between the binary?
-Its not really something I understand fully just yet.
4. What if your view of MtFs and FtMs?
-Nothing wrong with them.
5. What do you believe constitutes masculine & feminine expressions, based on society's view?
-Mainly gender roles and whatever is considered the norm. Obviously that varies from place to place.
6. What is your personal view of masculinity & femininity in terms of expression & identity?
-like I said, you're going to be whatever you're going to be. That isn't determined by birth and there are a ton of factors that could tie in to make it varied for everyone. Maybe a matter of perspective? I don't know, not something I think can explained easily.
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1. Cisgender masculine male.
2. What is your view of people who are not cisgender?
Im not familiar with any outside of the internet and i don't feel like associating with any, even though it might be interesting to have an androgynous acquaintance. Ie. wary rl. (same with MtFs/FtMs question)
3. What is your view of people who lie outside/between the binary?
What is it like to lie outside? If it's hermaphrodites we're talking then I can totally accept it and if someone would tell me they're herma i'd probably feel attracted. At least i can appreciate it more than trans stuff.
5. This is obvious for people who have internet.
6. What is your personal view of masculinity & femininity in terms of expression & identity?
I'm most comfortable with people acting whatever gender they were born with and if someone deviates from it - I wouldn't be most comfortable with it. But if the situation threw us together i'd give it a chance.
and yeah, nice topic. A fresh sight for random.
2. What is your view of people who are not cisgender?
Im not familiar with any outside of the internet and i don't feel like associating with any, even though it might be interesting to have an androgynous acquaintance. Ie. wary rl. (same with MtFs/FtMs question)
3. What is your view of people who lie outside/between the binary?
What is it like to lie outside? If it's hermaphrodites we're talking then I can totally accept it and if someone would tell me they're herma i'd probably feel attracted. At least i can appreciate it more than trans stuff.
5. This is obvious for people who have internet.
6. What is your personal view of masculinity & femininity in terms of expression & identity?
I'm most comfortable with people acting whatever gender they were born with and if someone deviates from it - I wouldn't be most comfortable with it. But if the situation threw us together i'd give it a chance.
and yeah, nice topic. A fresh sight for random.
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1) Gender Identity: Cisgender
Gender Expression: Masculine with a small bit of Feminine
Biological sex: Male
2. What is your view of people who are not cisgender?
3. What is your view of people who lie outside/between the binary?
4. What if your view of MtFs and FtMs?: I don't really have a problem with it.
5. What do you believe constitutes masculine & feminine expressions, based on society's view?: I don't understand this question, so I'm just gonna copy & paste somebody's answer.
Mainly gender roles and whatever is considered the norm. Obviously that varies from place to place.
6. What is your personal view of masculinity & femininity in terms of expression & identity?: Again, I don't quite understand it.
like I said, you're going to be whatever you're going to be. That isn't determined by birth and there are a ton of factors that could tie in to make it varied for everyone. Maybe a matter of perspective? I don't know, not something I think can explained easily.
I didn't understand some of it... =/
Gender Expression: Masculine with a small bit of Feminine
Biological sex: Male
2. What is your view of people who are not cisgender?
3. What is your view of people who lie outside/between the binary?
4. What if your view of MtFs and FtMs?: I don't really have a problem with it.
5. What do you believe constitutes masculine & feminine expressions, based on society's view?: I don't understand this question, so I'm just gonna copy & paste somebody's answer.
Mainly gender roles and whatever is considered the norm. Obviously that varies from place to place.
6. What is your personal view of masculinity & femininity in terms of expression & identity?: Again, I don't quite understand it.
like I said, you're going to be whatever you're going to be. That isn't determined by birth and there are a ton of factors that could tie in to make it varied for everyone. Maybe a matter of perspective? I don't know, not something I think can explained easily.
I didn't understand some of it... =/
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1. Where do you lie on these spectrum? Disregard "Attracted to".
[size=14]I identify myself (and I think most people I know do as well) as being Bigender, although I would never really say my masculinity falls below 50% so I would still call myself masculine. My birth gender is male[/h]
2. What is your view of people who are not cisgender?
3. What is your view of people who lie outside/between the binary?
[size=14]I can't really judge them badly considering I fall into both of those categories.[/h]
4. What if your view of MtFs and FtMs?
[size=14]To be honest I don't really have an opinion. I know they exist but I've never met one or looked into them so I can't really say.[/h]
5. What do you believe constitutes masculine & feminine expressions, based on society's view?
[size=14]As the OP stated, the media defines femininity and masculinity and allows stereotypes such as "men should be strong and muscled" and "women should be so-and-so height and so-and-so weight" to flourish. [/h]
6. What is your personal view of masculinity & femininity in terms of expression & identity?
[size=14]I'm not quite sure what this question is asking but, I believe that everyone is allowed to believe anything. If someone believes they are masculine or feminine I'm not going to tell them otherwise seeing as I don't know what's going on inside their head.[/h]
[size=14]I identify myself (and I think most people I know do as well) as being Bigender, although I would never really say my masculinity falls below 50% so I would still call myself masculine. My birth gender is male[/h]
2. What is your view of people who are not cisgender?
3. What is your view of people who lie outside/between the binary?
[size=14]I can't really judge them badly considering I fall into both of those categories.[/h]
4. What if your view of MtFs and FtMs?
[size=14]To be honest I don't really have an opinion. I know they exist but I've never met one or looked into them so I can't really say.[/h]
5. What do you believe constitutes masculine & feminine expressions, based on society's view?
[size=14]As the OP stated, the media defines femininity and masculinity and allows stereotypes such as "men should be strong and muscled" and "women should be so-and-so height and so-and-so weight" to flourish. [/h]
6. What is your personal view of masculinity & femininity in terms of expression & identity?
[size=14]I'm not quite sure what this question is asking but, I believe that everyone is allowed to believe anything. If someone believes they are masculine or feminine I'm not going to tell them otherwise seeing as I don't know what's going on inside their head.[/h]
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1. Cisgender Male.
2-4. I have an open mind when it comes to these things. so let 'em do their theyng!
5. Males[Brad Pitt, Tom Cruise, Arnold Schwarzenegger, Rambo]; Females[Miss Universe, Beyonce]
6. A typical straight guy's point of view and I have nothing against people who deviate from their in-born sexes.
2-4. I have an open mind when it comes to these things. so let 'em do their theyng!
5. Males[Brad Pitt, Tom Cruise, Arnold Schwarzenegger, Rambo]; Females[Miss Universe, Beyonce]
6. A typical straight guy's point of view and I have nothing against people who deviate from their in-born sexes.
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1. Where do you lie on these spectrum?
Cisgender Androgynous male.
2. What is your view of people who are not cisgender?
My first reaction is pity, and that generally drives non-cisgenders up a wall, but it is legitimate, not-bullshit pity coming from someone who had to fight his own perception of a non-cisgender identity and brute-force himself into accepting that he is, in fact, cisgender. I actually wanted to be different, but I really wasn't and it continues to fuck with me from time to time.
Gender, at the moment, is harshly linked to self-esteem, but it's also one of those things that you feel absolutely powerless over. I feel like a vast amount of people get the lucky roll through being affirmed enough in the right places to not have to deal with a disconnection of gender, and therefore it is perceived as a defect when you encounter issues even though it's just dumb luck. The reality is that not everyone gets an equal start when it comes to self, and gender, whether it's purposefully ignored or unfathomably complex, is one of the places that very few people can give good advice on.
I spend a crapload of time thinking about this stuff and even I don't really get what is a false-positive and what is actually real in the context of cisgender. I'm not going to pretend I even know what are the warning signs of gender disassociation because I have practically zero idea how to soothe someone in that circumstance. (Unless you're my clone, then I'll play shrink and we'll get shit fixed.)
3. What is your view of people who lie outside/between the binary?
I don't really believe there is an outlying gender in reality, but the fact that it is necessary as an abstract is demonstrative of how dysfunctional the binary is at the moment. For people who feel/are struggling with gender issues, people within the binary are effectively useless or detrimental.
As for people between, we're in the same club. I want to represent a spot on the spectrum, but my unfiltered responses and general 'selfness' position me elsewhere. It's frustrating as hell.
4. What is your view of MtFs and FtMs?
It's a rough life. Passing is hard enough in the context of 'lol crossplay'. Doing it in real life is borderline bullshit. It's like every possible human being is a hyper-evolved transperson detector even if they're dumb as rocks. They'll somehow pick up on the slightest fuck-ups with your voice, gestures or anything else, then proceed to do the Metal Gear Solid "!".
I don't even try to pass and that's my only coping mechanism. I have to aggressively assert that I'm a male working with a male structure as an excuse for being frumpy. Not trying is essentially the only way I live with what I perceive to be my female self. I could never transition.
So really, nothing but huge amounts of respect.
5. What do you believe constitutes masculine & feminine expressions, based on society's view?
Honestly, while most people see the gender expressions as being narrow, I find them complex because the expectations of your expressions change with your age, especially when it comes to aesthetics.
However, mow that media consumption and the resulting conversations you have from it are generally considered a forms of expression, we have some clear lines of demarcation because its marketed towards age groups and genders. Neatly filed and everything. (Well, sort of.)
Granted, I do not believe that content producers are in 100% control of gender definitions in the context of media. Rather, they are so successful at figuring out what certain genders want that it appears that they control it, whereas the average person doesn't spend a lot of time sorting out what is gender-specific and what is merely personal preference.
All I know from society's perspective is that What Not To Wear is very much a woman's show and Good Eats is totally geared toward both genders.
6. What is your personal view of masculinity & femininity in terms of expression & identity?
Being a certain gender is always going to be colored by context. We are not born with a deep understanding of the spectrum and there's always going to be things that we erroneously parse as gender-specific when they're actually not.
Naturally, we're forced to play the game of life even if we don't really agree with the house rules. I wish that I could dress more effeminately as a norm, but I have to live with the fact that women's clothing is not only marketed exclusively to women, but that they're actually designed for women's physical form. That's something that is actually feminine and is feminine for good reason, and while I begrudge the barrier, it is one that doesn't come from arbitrary decision making.
Conversely, makeup, or at least eye-product (I concede that foundation is less functional with male facial hair), functions perfectly well on both genders, but it's been artificially established as female-only. Part of this is due to the implication that men don't/shouldn't wear make-up because it isn't marketed towards them.
Either way, there are some things that have strong cases for their current gender assignment and some with not-so-strong cases. My personal view orbits around that notion.
The best way I can look at this is that most people naturally default to uncomfortable negativity when faced with something that seems gender-screwy. As a result, the people who are comfortable with it or deeply embrace what it means to do it are special and wonderful, and that it's actually worth it to be genuine to one-self just to attract or meet those rare specimens of human character.
Cisgender Androgynous male.
2. What is your view of people who are not cisgender?
My first reaction is pity, and that generally drives non-cisgenders up a wall, but it is legitimate, not-bullshit pity coming from someone who had to fight his own perception of a non-cisgender identity and brute-force himself into accepting that he is, in fact, cisgender. I actually wanted to be different, but I really wasn't and it continues to fuck with me from time to time.
Gender, at the moment, is harshly linked to self-esteem, but it's also one of those things that you feel absolutely powerless over. I feel like a vast amount of people get the lucky roll through being affirmed enough in the right places to not have to deal with a disconnection of gender, and therefore it is perceived as a defect when you encounter issues even though it's just dumb luck. The reality is that not everyone gets an equal start when it comes to self, and gender, whether it's purposefully ignored or unfathomably complex, is one of the places that very few people can give good advice on.
I spend a crapload of time thinking about this stuff and even I don't really get what is a false-positive and what is actually real in the context of cisgender. I'm not going to pretend I even know what are the warning signs of gender disassociation because I have practically zero idea how to soothe someone in that circumstance. (Unless you're my clone, then I'll play shrink and we'll get shit fixed.)
3. What is your view of people who lie outside/between the binary?
I don't really believe there is an outlying gender in reality, but the fact that it is necessary as an abstract is demonstrative of how dysfunctional the binary is at the moment. For people who feel/are struggling with gender issues, people within the binary are effectively useless or detrimental.
As for people between, we're in the same club. I want to represent a spot on the spectrum, but my unfiltered responses and general 'selfness' position me elsewhere. It's frustrating as hell.
4. What is your view of MtFs and FtMs?
It's a rough life. Passing is hard enough in the context of 'lol crossplay'. Doing it in real life is borderline bullshit. It's like every possible human being is a hyper-evolved transperson detector even if they're dumb as rocks. They'll somehow pick up on the slightest fuck-ups with your voice, gestures or anything else, then proceed to do the Metal Gear Solid "!".
I don't even try to pass and that's my only coping mechanism. I have to aggressively assert that I'm a male working with a male structure as an excuse for being frumpy. Not trying is essentially the only way I live with what I perceive to be my female self. I could never transition.
So really, nothing but huge amounts of respect.
5. What do you believe constitutes masculine & feminine expressions, based on society's view?
Honestly, while most people see the gender expressions as being narrow, I find them complex because the expectations of your expressions change with your age, especially when it comes to aesthetics.
However, mow that media consumption and the resulting conversations you have from it are generally considered a forms of expression, we have some clear lines of demarcation because its marketed towards age groups and genders. Neatly filed and everything. (Well, sort of.)
Granted, I do not believe that content producers are in 100% control of gender definitions in the context of media. Rather, they are so successful at figuring out what certain genders want that it appears that they control it, whereas the average person doesn't spend a lot of time sorting out what is gender-specific and what is merely personal preference.
All I know from society's perspective is that What Not To Wear is very much a woman's show and Good Eats is totally geared toward both genders.
6. What is your personal view of masculinity & femininity in terms of expression & identity?
Being a certain gender is always going to be colored by context. We are not born with a deep understanding of the spectrum and there's always going to be things that we erroneously parse as gender-specific when they're actually not.
Naturally, we're forced to play the game of life even if we don't really agree with the house rules. I wish that I could dress more effeminately as a norm, but I have to live with the fact that women's clothing is not only marketed exclusively to women, but that they're actually designed for women's physical form. That's something that is actually feminine and is feminine for good reason, and while I begrudge the barrier, it is one that doesn't come from arbitrary decision making.
Conversely, makeup, or at least eye-product (I concede that foundation is less functional with male facial hair), functions perfectly well on both genders, but it's been artificially established as female-only. Part of this is due to the implication that men don't/shouldn't wear make-up because it isn't marketed towards them.
Either way, there are some things that have strong cases for their current gender assignment and some with not-so-strong cases. My personal view orbits around that notion.
The best way I can look at this is that most people naturally default to uncomfortable negativity when faced with something that seems gender-screwy. As a result, the people who are comfortable with it or deeply embrace what it means to do it are special and wonderful, and that it's actually worth it to be genuine to one-self just to attract or meet those rare specimens of human character.
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1. Where do you lie on these spectrum? Disregard "Attracted to".
-Gender Identity: Cisgender.
Gender Expression: Masculine
Biological Sex:male
2. What is your view of people who are not cisgender?
-I don't judge anyone who are not the same as me. If they're different than me, then that's great but just show off your difference as something perfect or try to force that difference onto me.
3. What is your view of people who lie outside/between the binary?
-I don't judge anyone who are not the same as me. If they're different than me, then that's great but just show off your difference as something perfect or try to force that difference onto me.
4. What if your view of MtFs and FtMs?
-I don't judge anyone who are not the same as me. If they're different than me, then that's great but just show off your difference as something perfect or try to force that difference onto me.
5. What do you believe constitutes masculine & feminine expressions, based on society's view?
-Men are strong, dominant, hide their true feelings until comes to open them up, brave, handsome, run from responsibility at first but raises to the challenge. Women are strong-willed, deceptive, secretive, understanding, caring, motherly (lol), helpful, less hidden about their feelings, pretty, and very fickle.
6. What is your personal view of masculinity & femininity in terms of expression & identity?
-To be man in my opinion, you needs to be strong-willed, not afraid to hide his feelings to anyone, caring, understanding, willing to take responsibility and not hide from it, strong when time gets tough, I don't really care about appearance of either sex as it determines of what makes a man or a woman. It's harder for me to determine femininity because I'm not a woman lol. A Woman should be everything a man can be strong-willed, caring, understanding, etc. But I wait in women is when they are secretive and deceptive (I know the same goes for men too.) Either sex needs to be secretive and deceptive because it only makes more problems for your partner and yourself.
-Gender Identity: Cisgender.
Gender Expression: Masculine
Biological Sex:male
2. What is your view of people who are not cisgender?
-I don't judge anyone who are not the same as me. If they're different than me, then that's great but just show off your difference as something perfect or try to force that difference onto me.
3. What is your view of people who lie outside/between the binary?
-I don't judge anyone who are not the same as me. If they're different than me, then that's great but just show off your difference as something perfect or try to force that difference onto me.
4. What if your view of MtFs and FtMs?
-I don't judge anyone who are not the same as me. If they're different than me, then that's great but just show off your difference as something perfect or try to force that difference onto me.
5. What do you believe constitutes masculine & feminine expressions, based on society's view?
-Men are strong, dominant, hide their true feelings until comes to open them up, brave, handsome, run from responsibility at first but raises to the challenge. Women are strong-willed, deceptive, secretive, understanding, caring, motherly (lol), helpful, less hidden about their feelings, pretty, and very fickle.
6. What is your personal view of masculinity & femininity in terms of expression & identity?
-To be man in my opinion, you needs to be strong-willed, not afraid to hide his feelings to anyone, caring, understanding, willing to take responsibility and not hide from it, strong when time gets tough, I don't really care about appearance of either sex as it determines of what makes a man or a woman. It's harder for me to determine femininity because I'm not a woman lol. A Woman should be everything a man can be strong-willed, caring, understanding, etc. But I wait in women is when they are secretive and deceptive (I know the same goes for men too.) Either sex needs to be secretive and deceptive because it only makes more problems for your partner and yourself.
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#levelupyourgrind
1. Where do you lie on these spectrum? Disregard "Attracted to".
-Gender identity: Male
-Gender Expression: Gender neutral as far as I know.
-Biological sex: Male
2. What is your view of people who are not cisgender?
Everyone is unique and should be judged based on their character and how they treat others.
3. What is your view of people who lie outside/between the binary? See 2
4. What if your view of MtFs and FtMs? See 2
5. What do you believe constitutes masculine & feminine expressions, based on society's view?
Guys fart and girls hold it in (And girls are still disgusting for holding it in, because the gas comes out your mouth, lol.)...nuff said.
6. What is your personal view of masculinity & femininity in terms of expression & identity?
Guys pay for everything...everything. Girls wear skirts and high heels even in the worse weather (Girls who actually do this shit earn my respect).
-Gender identity: Male
-Gender Expression: Gender neutral as far as I know.
-Biological sex: Male
2. What is your view of people who are not cisgender?
Everyone is unique and should be judged based on their character and how they treat others.
3. What is your view of people who lie outside/between the binary? See 2
4. What if your view of MtFs and FtMs? See 2
5. What do you believe constitutes masculine & feminine expressions, based on society's view?
Guys fart and girls hold it in (And girls are still disgusting for holding it in, because the gas comes out your mouth, lol.)...nuff said.
6. What is your personal view of masculinity & femininity in terms of expression & identity?
Guys pay for everything...everything. Girls wear skirts and high heels even in the worse weather (Girls who actually do this shit earn my respect).
