Validation of love poll
Do you believe that Certain gender pair-ups(man/woman, man/man, woman/woman), or do you believe its all equal?
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EDIT: The question is supposed to read: "Do you believe certain gender pairups hold advantage over others?" My apologies for any other mistakes I may have made.I was having an argument with a friend about the differences in love actually being more than lust. Im actually tired right now, so I'll cut this as short as possible.(An interesting side note is that despite my the opinion of my friend, this person still firmly believes in only opposite gender relationships.)
Basically, my friend believes that lesbian relationships are the only type of relationship that can be truly & entirely full of love without any hints of chemical interference or lust taking part at any point.
Since my friend was arguing that women lack the chemicals in their brain that allows lust to take over, I argued that women have chemicals that make them addicted to their mate like a drug. Despite that, the chemicals themselves only seem to usually interfere when actually wanted in both genders, & usually only even apply during or after sex(correct me if Im mistaken because Im not entirely sure on that last part).
My friends reasoning is that By some undefinable law of the universe(not my words), women were born far more suitable to love than if a man & women, or even two men together possibly ever could, & thus with the love two women could share, the output would be doubled like some kind of multiplication problem. While my friend thinks that, Im stuck thinking that all gender relationships have an equal chance to prosper or wither in any the same way as any other. It felt odd that we were even trying to compare something undefinable in the first place, so going as far as sticking certain pairups with a higher possibility to contain it seems kind of insane.
So here is the question FAKKU! Do you think certain gender pairups have any higher chance to contain love than another? If so why? If you believe that all are equal, then please elaborate as to why you feel that way as well. It will help us both gain perspective on it even if it cant really change our minds, being that we were stuck enough to our opinions to need the opinions of others to begin with. I hope this is at least interesting enough to share something on.
Basically, my friend believes that lesbian relationships are the only type of relationship that can be truly & entirely full of love without any hints of chemical interference or lust taking part at any point.
Since my friend was arguing that women lack the chemicals in their brain that allows lust to take over, I argued that women have chemicals that make them addicted to their mate like a drug. Despite that, the chemicals themselves only seem to usually interfere when actually wanted in both genders, & usually only even apply during or after sex(correct me if Im mistaken because Im not entirely sure on that last part).
My friends reasoning is that By some undefinable law of the universe(not my words), women were born far more suitable to love than if a man & women, or even two men together possibly ever could, & thus with the love two women could share, the output would be doubled like some kind of multiplication problem. While my friend thinks that, Im stuck thinking that all gender relationships have an equal chance to prosper or wither in any the same way as any other. It felt odd that we were even trying to compare something undefinable in the first place, so going as far as sticking certain pairups with a higher possibility to contain it seems kind of insane.
So here is the question FAKKU! Do you think certain gender pairups have any higher chance to contain love than another? If so why? If you believe that all are equal, then please elaborate as to why you feel that way as well. It will help us both gain perspective on it even if it cant really change our minds, being that we were stuck enough to our opinions to need the opinions of others to begin with. I hope this is at least interesting enough to share something on.
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mibuchiha
Fakku Elder
I'm... not quite sure what to say on this issue. One of the things that I just never thought about. But when the issue is laid out like this, it got me thinking...
First of all, I wanna know just what the friend meant by "full of love"? Is it a completely platonic one? From the limited interactions with lesbians... lust is just lust, the same horny feeling, just directed to women instead of men. So yeah, what's the difference exactly? Why would lesbians lusting on each other be called pure love but man wanting to do his beloved is suddenly so animalistic no love is involved? Not to mention sex with the person you love, while undoubtedly involving lots of lust, feels so much better than sex with a random hottie. So there must be something more than simple sexual hormones there...
But eh, as far as my belief is concerned, man/woman works most often. That's not to say other pairings don't work, if you think you can, by all means, do so, it's just that I see man/woman pairing more than other types so yeah. More of them means they have better chance to work in this society lol. Statistics.
Tell that friend, if we're allowed to get away with this without justifying exactly what law it is... then we can make any damn claim sound true. "Lolk" is about all I'd respond with if someone pulls such a random line of reasoning on me.
[i]"By some undefinable law of the universe... ice-blended coffee could never exist in Andromeda, you know? They disintegrate into subatomic particles because existing as ice-blended coffee violates the law of cause and effect over there."
First of all, I wanna know just what the friend meant by "full of love"? Is it a completely platonic one? From the limited interactions with lesbians... lust is just lust, the same horny feeling, just directed to women instead of men. So yeah, what's the difference exactly? Why would lesbians lusting on each other be called pure love but man wanting to do his beloved is suddenly so animalistic no love is involved? Not to mention sex with the person you love, while undoubtedly involving lots of lust, feels so much better than sex with a random hottie. So there must be something more than simple sexual hormones there...
But eh, as far as my belief is concerned, man/woman works most often. That's not to say other pairings don't work, if you think you can, by all means, do so, it's just that I see man/woman pairing more than other types so yeah. More of them means they have better chance to work in this society lol. Statistics.
Lazy Artist wrote...
My friends reasoning is that By some undefinable law of the universe...Tell that friend, if we're allowed to get away with this without justifying exactly what law it is... then we can make any damn claim sound true. "Lolk" is about all I'd respond with if someone pulls such a random line of reasoning on me.
[i]"By some undefinable law of the universe... ice-blended coffee could never exist in Andromeda, you know? They disintegrate into subatomic particles because existing as ice-blended coffee violates the law of cause and effect over there."
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mibuchiha wrote...
First of all, I wanna know just what the friend meant by "full of love"?
When I asked my friend to elaborate on this, the most coherent answer I recieved was "Women love more honestly to men." Honestly though that sounded far to biased and stupid to even use as a reference in my post.
Trust me, after the conversation with all the crackpot theories with little to no evidence(made even more infuriatingly so back lack of much evidence to begin with) and only truly being supported by more theories that ended up becoming like some kind of labyrinth of maybe & probably, Ive been left with more than an insignificant headache & energy drain. The actual conversation itself was like trying to reason with a toilet, and the only response I could pry from it was a flush down to nowhere. Despite how the post probably sounds due to my being tired I actually did try to raise the intelligence level of his argument enough so it didnt seem like I was chastising it. After all, I can see my friends general idea, but its so unfounded with no actual experience I cant bring myself to trust it. I also find it increasingly weird due to my friend still having the view that only man/woman relationships are actually real, despite the argument that clearly the true opinion of the proper capacity to withstand such a relationship is lacking to another that is unreasonably disapproved of for no evident reason other than childhood tempering.
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mibuchiha
Fakku Elder
Lolol. I thought so. Things like 'love honestly' and all that is to me, not something for outsiders to decide. No matter how honest you think your love is, if the receiver don't think so then there's no convincing him/her so why bother? And if the receiver fully believes that the love s/he's receiving is real then who the hell are others to butt in and jynx them into dooming the relationship? All we're justified to do is to provide an opinion from a (supposedly) neutral standpoint, that's all.
As for 'real relationship', that's another thing that I'd only respond with a 'lolk'. Sure man/woman relationship can lead to families and such, so in a way, it is more tangible than the other types, but that's all there is to it, really. Gays and lesbians have feelings too, and I don't think anyone is justified to assume such an arrogant attitude to simply dismiss their feelings and hence the relationship as unreal just because.
As for 'real relationship', that's another thing that I'd only respond with a 'lolk'. Sure man/woman relationship can lead to families and such, so in a way, it is more tangible than the other types, but that's all there is to it, really. Gays and lesbians have feelings too, and I don't think anyone is justified to assume such an arrogant attitude to simply dismiss their feelings and hence the relationship as unreal just because.
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In a wirks where everyone is told to accept other sexual preference it is easy to understand that the law of free will, to have the right to choose what one wears, where they live and especially whom they are attracted to, society is filled with many opportunities.
I for one believe that anyone can experience a completely equal love if both their hearts are open. About fifty percent of my friends are straight, twenty five percent are bi, and twenty five percent are homosexual. All if these friends are or have been in full loving relationships. Many of which are devoted to their partners. My uncle and his male partner have been together for about thirty years and will never break up. My parents have been married for thirty years and they love each other deeply. One of my friends has been off and on with her girls friend for the last two years but their break ups are caused by distance and so called "friends" stabbing them in the back, but they still live each other together or not. In a non sexual way I love my best friend, and she loves me just as much, and we are so close we call each other sisters, her family is mine and visa versa. And one of my friends was in and on and off again relationship with her highschool sweetheart, but they are very happily married now, love and their religion the key to their equality of life.
I think love is equal if two (any gender) are willing to try, and work hard for that balance in happiness. Love is not some touchy feely gooey play thing for little kids the dream about and adult to wish they'd found. It takes two to tango so it take two to make and equal partnership. A man can love a man just as equally as a woman can love a woman, and a man and a woman may live just as richly, wholly and equally as a same sex couple can. I think it is open for all, and everyone can have a chance to pen their hearts
To love another no matter what gender they may be.
I for one believe that anyone can experience a completely equal love if both their hearts are open. About fifty percent of my friends are straight, twenty five percent are bi, and twenty five percent are homosexual. All if these friends are or have been in full loving relationships. Many of which are devoted to their partners. My uncle and his male partner have been together for about thirty years and will never break up. My parents have been married for thirty years and they love each other deeply. One of my friends has been off and on with her girls friend for the last two years but their break ups are caused by distance and so called "friends" stabbing them in the back, but they still live each other together or not. In a non sexual way I love my best friend, and she loves me just as much, and we are so close we call each other sisters, her family is mine and visa versa. And one of my friends was in and on and off again relationship with her highschool sweetheart, but they are very happily married now, love and their religion the key to their equality of life.
I think love is equal if two (any gender) are willing to try, and work hard for that balance in happiness. Love is not some touchy feely gooey play thing for little kids the dream about and adult to wish they'd found. It takes two to tango so it take two to make and equal partnership. A man can love a man just as equally as a woman can love a woman, and a man and a woman may live just as richly, wholly and equally as a same sex couple can. I think it is open for all, and everyone can have a chance to pen their hearts
To love another no matter what gender they may be.
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Lazy Artist wrote...
EDIT: The question is supposed to read: "Do you believe certain gender pairups hold advantage over others?" My apologies for any other mistakes I may have made.I was having an argument with a friend about the differences in love actually being more than lust. Im actually tired right now, so I'll cut this as short as possible.(An interesting side note is that despite my the opinion of my friend, this person still firmly believes in only opposite gender relationships.)Basically, my friend believes that lesbian relationships are the only type of relationship that can be truly & entirely full of love without any hints of chemical interference or lust taking part at any point.
Since my friend was arguing that women lack the chemicals in their brain that allows lust to take over, I argued that women have chemicals that make them addicted to their mate like a drug. Despite that, the chemicals themselves only seem to usually interfere when actually wanted in both genders, & usually only even apply during or after sex(correct me if Im mistaken because Im not entirely sure on that last part).
Complete BS, women are just as equally horny as men in the same circumstance.
My friends reasoning is that By some undefinable law of the universe(not my words), women were born far more suitable to love than if a man & women, or even two men together possibly ever could, & thus with the love two women could share, the output would be doubled like some kind of multiplication problem. While my friend thinks that, Im stuck thinking that all gender relationships have an equal chance to prosper or wither in any the same way as any other. It felt odd that we were even trying to compare something undefinable in the first place, so going as far as sticking certain pairups with a higher possibility to contain it seems kind of insane.
Men to Women relationships are more compatible in terms of biology because that is required to reproduce. The reason why sex is pleasurable is to promote reproduction.
So here is the question FAKKU! Do you think certain gender pairups have any higher chance to contain love than another? If so why? If you believe that all are equal, then please elaborate as to why you feel that way as well. It will help us both gain perspective on it even if it cant really change our minds, being that we were stuck enough to our opinions to need the opinions of others to begin with. I hope this is at least interesting enough to share something on.
Love is the result of hormones released to promote sexual behavior. Homosexual relationships do not work out naturally because humans cannot reproduce asexually.
Note that there is nothing wrong with homosexual relationships except for the fact that you can't have children naturally.
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While it is true that women produce the bonding chemical in far more copious amounts than men, and I -have- seen far more loving, devoted lesbian couples than straight couples, or gay couples...
I believe that true love doesn't discriminate gender or sexual proclivity. What organ you have between your legs does not define your ability to build and maintain a lasting romantic bond with someone. Your either respect and adhere to monogamy, or you don't. You either love the other person, or you don't. You either try your best to make it work, or you don't. You aren't controlled by your genitalia.
I think your friend should instead say, "full of emotion", instead of "full of love." Each person expresses their love differently. Some people [usually women] are more forthcoming and lavish with their feelings. Men are more rational, which means they tend to express it less, or in more subtle ways.
I believe that true love doesn't discriminate gender or sexual proclivity. What organ you have between your legs does not define your ability to build and maintain a lasting romantic bond with someone. Your either respect and adhere to monogamy, or you don't. You either love the other person, or you don't. You either try your best to make it work, or you don't. You aren't controlled by your genitalia.
I think your friend should instead say, "full of emotion", instead of "full of love." Each person expresses their love differently. Some people [usually women] are more forthcoming and lavish with their feelings. Men are more rational, which means they tend to express it less, or in more subtle ways.
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I picked "I believe all gender pairings have an equal chance at experiencing love."
I fundamentally disagree with your friend, because I don't believe there is any personality left when you take away all the "chemicals" (especially difficult when you consider that all matter in the body qualifies as a "chemical"). Every bit of perception and thought a person undertakes has a chemical/biological basis, and this basis is not "fake" or anything like that; it's the core of what makes you, you.
I fundamentally disagree with your friend, because I don't believe there is any personality left when you take away all the "chemicals" (especially difficult when you consider that all matter in the body qualifies as a "chemical"). Every bit of perception and thought a person undertakes has a chemical/biological basis, and this basis is not "fake" or anything like that; it's the core of what makes you, you.