Carnivore and Herbivore Society
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Was doing some research for a paper and I started looking into the portrayal of aliens as a carnivore society. In most cases, monsters or aliens who are seen as carnivores (namely those who eat humans) are unintelligent and work in a pack or hive like fashion.
My question is, if the human race was a carnivore or herbivore society (EDIT: To clarify, not if humanity chose not to eat meat or herbs, but if we couldn't. If humanity was carnivorous or herbivorous by nature), how far advanced would we be at this point? Humans grew originally from developing tools such as rocks for throwing, and sticks for hitting. This helped the human society begin its initial advancements help kill animals, but these tools wouldn't be as useful to the herbivore. The human mind was advanced enough, in my opinion, to create such tools for defense. The discovery of fire was also useful for cooking meats, though herbivores might have still used it for the heat provided.
As humanity advanced, we began to develop techniques for agriculture. Knowledge of how the world can grow with our interaction and the ability for humanity to settle down in a single location instead of being nomadic. Advances to herbs and the exploration of new plant life led to the creation of medicine.
In the end, eating meat began our creativity, and eating plants brought it to a higher level. Without a combination of both we would still be a simple race in my opinion. I'm interested in other's thoughts in the matter.
My question is, if the human race was a carnivore or herbivore society (EDIT: To clarify, not if humanity chose not to eat meat or herbs, but if we couldn't. If humanity was carnivorous or herbivorous by nature), how far advanced would we be at this point? Humans grew originally from developing tools such as rocks for throwing, and sticks for hitting. This helped the human society begin its initial advancements help kill animals, but these tools wouldn't be as useful to the herbivore. The human mind was advanced enough, in my opinion, to create such tools for defense. The discovery of fire was also useful for cooking meats, though herbivores might have still used it for the heat provided.
As humanity advanced, we began to develop techniques for agriculture. Knowledge of how the world can grow with our interaction and the ability for humanity to settle down in a single location instead of being nomadic. Advances to herbs and the exploration of new plant life led to the creation of medicine.
In the end, eating meat began our creativity, and eating plants brought it to a higher level. Without a combination of both we would still be a simple race in my opinion. I'm interested in other's thoughts in the matter.
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Veldron wrote...
Was doing some research for a paper and I started looking into the portrayal of aliens as a carnivore society. In most cases, monsters or aliens who are seen as carnivores (namely those who eat humans) are unintelligent and work in a pack or hive like fashion.My question is, if the human race was a carnivore or herbivore society, how far advanced would we be at this point? Humans grew originally from developing tools such as rocks for throwing, and sticks for hitting. This helped the human society begin its initial advancements help kill animals, but these tools wouldn't be as useful to the herbivore. The human mind was advanced enough, in my opinion, to create such tools for defense. The discovery of fire was also useful for cooking meats, though herbivores might have still used it for the heat provided.
As humanity advanced, we began to develop techniques for agriculture. Knowledge of how the world can grow with our interaction and the ability for humanity to settle down in a single location instead of being nomadic. Advances to herbs and the exploration of new plant life led to the creation of medicine.
In the end, eating meat began our creativity, and eating plants brought it to a higher level. Without a combination of both we would still be a simple race in my opinion. I'm interested in other's thoughts in the matter.
I Agree eating only meat represents Animal like behavior and eating only plants is bound to make you have health problems. But a combination not only helps you become healthy but also helps you excel in what you do because you body and mind are thoroughly prepare for any task it may find itself in.
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I think that the human race is omnivorous because food is fucking delicious, whether it is meat or vegetables.
Sticks and rocks and other tools are not just used to maim and kill animals. They are also used to cultivate plants and shit for consumption. I use heat (fire) to pop my fucking corn so I can throw butter on those bitches because it tastes good.
Whether or not meat was eaten first doesn't really matter, as we eat both. I don't think what we eat really has an affect on how creative the human race is as a whole, unless you're ingesting drugs.
I didn't understand half the shit you were trying to say, but I did what I could.
Sticks and rocks and other tools are not just used to maim and kill animals. They are also used to cultivate plants and shit for consumption. I use heat (fire) to pop my fucking corn so I can throw butter on those bitches because it tastes good.
Whether or not meat was eaten first doesn't really matter, as we eat both. I don't think what we eat really has an affect on how creative the human race is as a whole, unless you're ingesting drugs.
I didn't understand half the shit you were trying to say, but I did what I could.
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Space Cowboy wrote...
Whether or not meat was eaten first doesn't really matter, as we eat both. I don't think what we eat really has an affect on how creative the human race is as a whole, unless you're ingesting drugs. I didn't understand half the shit you were trying to say, but I did what I could.
I mean what if human-kind couldn't eat meat or plants. If humanity itself wasn't omnivorous by nature.
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I think he's saying it in a "what-if" way. We could even think of it as a parallel species, maybe humanoid, that also evolved intelligence along side humans.
If so, let's hypothesize this: a world where we aren't the only intelligent specie (furries!). In that light, it can be easily seen how different their culture, should they develop one, be radically different from our's should they be herbivores. We're driven to hunt, kill, and consume in order to live. This is necessary to survive, and if we apply the theory of evolution to this, we can even say that those who weren't agressive enough didn't survive. So humans would evolve to be more and more efficient at hunting. Eventually we would start using tools and other things like control of fire to increase our ability to hunt. This is pretty much how technology evolved over time, and it is evident in our continued reliance on fire for everything from engines to heating, and tools for everything else, powered or otherwise.
But the other theoretical specie, should they be herbivores, may not possess the drive to use tools for hunting, or the need to improve upon their tools. They may eventually develop things like drums and paintings as a result of a maturing culture, but they may not be as rapid in development or as wide spread in usage as humans would with our spears and torches. Depending on their growth as a society, they may eventually create their own cities and countries, but differences in need might hinder or prevent development in things like weapons and electronics. Not only that, their basic thought processes might fundamentally differ from humans, since they may live in packs, like elephants would, and may create a society free of things like widespread war or murder.
However, if they're carnivores, then humans may look delicious to them, or maybe even the prime prey, since they may enjoy hunting, like some human society have, and may find us humans to be difficult and powerful preys. We may end up on the defensive, as the more powerful and equally intelligent specie hunt us down for status and food. They may create a society of warring states and have massive armies, where conscription is not just mandatory, but perhaps as normal to them as going to school is for us.
Of course, this is just an example (perhaps not a good one) of how much of a difference could occur just from a difference in the primary food source. Herbivores are primary consumers, so things like fruits and grass is good enough, and they won't need to develop weapons to survive, and if intelligent, may create a society based on relationships and arts, whereas carnivores, being usually apex consumers, would hunt down everything in sight, and create better weapons to hunt down more, and may create a society based on warfare and killing preys.
We humans, being omnivores, could perhaps act as an example of a midway between these two different species. Possibily, if we divide up our culture into two halves, we would get the results for the potential societies of intelligent carnivores and herbivores.
If so, let's hypothesize this: a world where we aren't the only intelligent specie (furries!). In that light, it can be easily seen how different their culture, should they develop one, be radically different from our's should they be herbivores. We're driven to hunt, kill, and consume in order to live. This is necessary to survive, and if we apply the theory of evolution to this, we can even say that those who weren't agressive enough didn't survive. So humans would evolve to be more and more efficient at hunting. Eventually we would start using tools and other things like control of fire to increase our ability to hunt. This is pretty much how technology evolved over time, and it is evident in our continued reliance on fire for everything from engines to heating, and tools for everything else, powered or otherwise.
But the other theoretical specie, should they be herbivores, may not possess the drive to use tools for hunting, or the need to improve upon their tools. They may eventually develop things like drums and paintings as a result of a maturing culture, but they may not be as rapid in development or as wide spread in usage as humans would with our spears and torches. Depending on their growth as a society, they may eventually create their own cities and countries, but differences in need might hinder or prevent development in things like weapons and electronics. Not only that, their basic thought processes might fundamentally differ from humans, since they may live in packs, like elephants would, and may create a society free of things like widespread war or murder.
However, if they're carnivores, then humans may look delicious to them, or maybe even the prime prey, since they may enjoy hunting, like some human society have, and may find us humans to be difficult and powerful preys. We may end up on the defensive, as the more powerful and equally intelligent specie hunt us down for status and food. They may create a society of warring states and have massive armies, where conscription is not just mandatory, but perhaps as normal to them as going to school is for us.
Of course, this is just an example (perhaps not a good one) of how much of a difference could occur just from a difference in the primary food source. Herbivores are primary consumers, so things like fruits and grass is good enough, and they won't need to develop weapons to survive, and if intelligent, may create a society based on relationships and arts, whereas carnivores, being usually apex consumers, would hunt down everything in sight, and create better weapons to hunt down more, and may create a society based on warfare and killing preys.
We humans, being omnivores, could perhaps act as an example of a midway between these two different species. Possibily, if we divide up our culture into two halves, we would get the results for the potential societies of intelligent carnivores and herbivores.
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The whole "carnivor alien is savage" idea is biased.
It is because humans are omnivores, and thus eat meat as well as plants we have come so far.
It is widely believed that as a result of eating meat, the bost of protien acted like rocket fuel for the development of our brains.
It is because humans are omnivores, and thus eat meat as well as plants we have come so far.
It is widely believed that as a result of eating meat, the bost of protien acted like rocket fuel for the development of our brains.
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A carnivore species would never create a city or society with many individuals cause you constantly needs to move around to find food, becoming more effective at hunting just means that you'll have to spend more time moving to new locations. Something that's very common is that a species that's very effective at hunting will hunt down nearly all of it's potential food causing the population to fall massively and sometimes they even go extinct.
