What is truly "Wisdom?"
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Now this is a big subject; but if we take a small probortion of the matter:
And we for an example say "Society?"
the most popular and intelligent idea for society would be(based on what i hear): Utopia.
Now, I agree with this being the perfect society; for the time being I cannot think of any better way for a society to exist and cooperate.
But the question then is:
Is this truly the perfect thought of a society?
Is this the perfect form of a society?
Or are we going to experience something higher; more sophisticated?
think of it like this:
An Alien race makes first contact. Now this foreign race doesn't start to mass murder us; but instead introduces us to an new way for society to work.
our whole idea of society would be turned upside down.
In a shorter version.
Also more easily understandable version.
Is our idea of "wisdom" actually wrong/distorted? And if so; are we going to experience an higher form of "wisdom"?
Either created by ourselves, or by some intergalactic alien race.
And we for an example say "Society?"
the most popular and intelligent idea for society would be(based on what i hear): Utopia.
Now, I agree with this being the perfect society; for the time being I cannot think of any better way for a society to exist and cooperate.
But the question then is:
Is this truly the perfect thought of a society?
Is this the perfect form of a society?
Or are we going to experience something higher; more sophisticated?
think of it like this:
An Alien race makes first contact. Now this foreign race doesn't start to mass murder us; but instead introduces us to an new way for society to work.
our whole idea of society would be turned upside down.
In a shorter version.
Also more easily understandable version.
Is our idea of "wisdom" actually wrong/distorted? And if so; are we going to experience an higher form of "wisdom"?
Either created by ourselves, or by some intergalactic alien race.
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Flaser
OCD Hentai Collector
Do we need another tautology laden bullshit thread in Serious Discussion? I think not. As a member of the Bayesian Conspiracy I hereby proclaim the OP post stupid.
Take his argument about society: He uses a Platonic concept, yet fails to back it up any manner, merely taking it for granted as true. He also fails to describe it in any shape or form, so its defining characteristic becomes its *lack of* any definition... which is madness.
If we were talking about things that can't be measured or proven (like God/gods) than this would be par for course, but when we're talking about something as concrete as how humans should live (according our *own* ideals) than it's utter bullshit. Same goes for anything that's a matter of human judgment.
Don't give in to OP's sophistry: that way lies madness and inanity.
Take his argument about society: He uses a Platonic concept, yet fails to back it up any manner, merely taking it for granted as true. He also fails to describe it in any shape or form, so its defining characteristic becomes its *lack of* any definition... which is madness.
If we were talking about things that can't be measured or proven (like God/gods) than this would be par for course, but when we're talking about something as concrete as how humans should live (according our *own* ideals) than it's utter bullshit. Same goes for anything that's a matter of human judgment.
Don't give in to OP's sophistry: that way lies madness and inanity.
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I disagree strongly with Flaser's post and I deeply appreciate the use in talking about abstract concepts such as wisdom, especially given the proliferation of conflicting ideas regarding it (at least in my experience talking to people).
I have often heard that wisdom is the accumulated knowledge presented by experience. But I think "experience" is experience and wisdom is something deeper, though I think wisdom can indirectly come from experience in the same way that understanding can come from reading a book.
I despise that several psychologists I know have taken the poetic meaning, and therefore understanding of its intuitive nature, out of the word. Effectivly knee capping its use as a word. I despise that whole movement to take poetry out of everything since poetry represents our intuitive understanding.
Which leads me to what I think wisdom is. Wisdom is the use of our poetic understanding to give us intellectual understanding.
Stated in a way that does not rely on the existence of poetry, I would say that wisdom is the understanding, regardless of comprehension, of fundamentals that allow us greater perception into existence. I do not equate this to taking notes about something and then coming to a conclusion or critical thinking, that is intelligence. I am talking about our ability to look at something and perceive farther.
Like in dungeons and dragons the difference between spot and search.
I guess if I were going to explain it through how one experiences things:
When one has a high amount of intelligence they look at a car and they say "Oh, that has wheels which I know must be hooked up to an axle and transmission which (etc). I also know that people can be fond of cars based on my observation."
When one has a high amount of wisdom they look at the car and they see the combination of function and form, plus the faults the make it so endearing to the owner. The oppurtunity the owner has to work for something and have it received in direct response to that work. The see its uses on the roads and off the road. They may not know how it works, why the owners likes to work for the gift, they may not even understand what grip is. What they do see is the existence it creates.
So what would a wise society consist of and how is the idea of wisdom distorted? I will return later.
To clarify what I mean by understanding without comprehension, I believe you need to be able to articulate your understand to comprehend it.
I have often heard that wisdom is the accumulated knowledge presented by experience. But I think "experience" is experience and wisdom is something deeper, though I think wisdom can indirectly come from experience in the same way that understanding can come from reading a book.
I despise that several psychologists I know have taken the poetic meaning, and therefore understanding of its intuitive nature, out of the word. Effectivly knee capping its use as a word. I despise that whole movement to take poetry out of everything since poetry represents our intuitive understanding.
Which leads me to what I think wisdom is. Wisdom is the use of our poetic understanding to give us intellectual understanding.
Stated in a way that does not rely on the existence of poetry, I would say that wisdom is the understanding, regardless of comprehension, of fundamentals that allow us greater perception into existence. I do not equate this to taking notes about something and then coming to a conclusion or critical thinking, that is intelligence. I am talking about our ability to look at something and perceive farther.
Like in dungeons and dragons the difference between spot and search.
I guess if I were going to explain it through how one experiences things:
When one has a high amount of intelligence they look at a car and they say "Oh, that has wheels which I know must be hooked up to an axle and transmission which (etc). I also know that people can be fond of cars based on my observation."
When one has a high amount of wisdom they look at the car and they see the combination of function and form, plus the faults the make it so endearing to the owner. The oppurtunity the owner has to work for something and have it received in direct response to that work. The see its uses on the roads and off the road. They may not know how it works, why the owners likes to work for the gift, they may not even understand what grip is. What they do see is the existence it creates.
So what would a wise society consist of and how is the idea of wisdom distorted? I will return later.
To clarify what I mean by understanding without comprehension, I believe you need to be able to articulate your understand to comprehend it.
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Wisdom for me is a deep word....
For me it means having or obtaining knowledge that is beneficial for oneself and others. It creates many possibilities and solves many problems that one has in life.
Though many possess wisdom it doesn't mean one is perfect, it will only lead us into greater heights and leading us into evolution.
True form of wisdom is that which God only has, and nobody knows how great his wisdom is, but we can only imagine how far we can go with our knowledge and how we evolve.
I hope you guys understood my words.
For me it means having or obtaining knowledge that is beneficial for oneself and others. It creates many possibilities and solves many problems that one has in life.
Though many possess wisdom it doesn't mean one is perfect, it will only lead us into greater heights and leading us into evolution.
True form of wisdom is that which God only has, and nobody knows how great his wisdom is, but we can only imagine how far we can go with our knowledge and how we evolve.
I hope you guys understood my words.
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wisdom age and advice are all tied together. You know someone is wise when people are always going to them for advice, and you ask someone who has already had the problem about your problem. Wisdom is the ability to objectively observe your experiences and notice what you thought mattered and what actually mattered. It is the ability to actually learn from your experience, and the amount of wisdom can be measured by how well you learned it and are then able to show someone else. I don't believe people are born wise, but they may be born with a certain capacity for wisdom.
All these thoughts can only be applied to someone people actually recognize as wise, but I believe the wisest of all choose not to speak for they can only be wrong.
All these thoughts can only be applied to someone people actually recognize as wise, but I believe the wisest of all choose not to speak for they can only be wrong.
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I agree with Flaser.
First the term wisdom has an offical definition, which is:
Then there are the psychological perspectives.
And the religious perspectives.
And on both perspectives far bigger experts than we are had much more to contribute over the ages in these fields than we could do here. A valid discussion on this topic would be the one, in where we as the participants first go through all the material there is on this topic and then add our own personal opinion, which actually cannot be discussed anyway since it's personal.
So actually we can stop discussing it right away.
BTW did the OP not give any valid example of what we are talking about here, since he asked one question in the header, which is:
What is truly wisdom?
The second and completely unrelated question he asked in the very body of the topic, which is:
What is society?
The third question:
What is the perfect society?
The fourth question (we should ask here):
Do intergalactic alien race really exist?
Fifth question:
Can we assume that by just being an intergalactic alien race they are far smarter than we are?
Sixth question:
Who measures "real smartness" in that context (since it would need an objective third player to determine that)?
Which leads even to more questions ...
First the term wisdom has an offical definition, which is:
Wisdom is a deep understanding and realization of people, things, events or situations, resulting in the ability to apply perceptions, judgements and actions in keeping with this understanding. It often requires control of one's emotional reactions (the "passions") so that universal principles, reason and knowledge prevail to determine one's actions. Wisdom is also the comprehension of what is true or right coupled with optimum judgment as to action. Synonyms include: sagacity, discernment, or insight.
Then there are the psychological perspectives.
And the religious perspectives.
And on both perspectives far bigger experts than we are had much more to contribute over the ages in these fields than we could do here. A valid discussion on this topic would be the one, in where we as the participants first go through all the material there is on this topic and then add our own personal opinion, which actually cannot be discussed anyway since it's personal.
So actually we can stop discussing it right away.
BTW did the OP not give any valid example of what we are talking about here, since he asked one question in the header, which is:
What is truly wisdom?
The second and completely unrelated question he asked in the very body of the topic, which is:
What is society?
The third question:
What is the perfect society?
The fourth question (we should ask here):
Do intergalactic alien race really exist?
Fifth question:
Can we assume that by just being an intergalactic alien race they are far smarter than we are?
Sixth question:
Who measures "real smartness" in that context (since it would need an objective third player to determine that)?
Which leads even to more questions ...
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Legendary_Dollci wrote...
True form of wisdom is that which God only has, and nobody knows how great his wisdom is, but we can only imagine how far we can go with our knowledge and how we evolve.
Assuming this "God" even exists.
And what do you all mean by "True Wisdom"? Like a complete and perfect form of wisdom?
Like Flaser said, this is a very Platonic idea that is either not backed up or not explained.
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Gism88 wrote...
Legendary_Dollci wrote...
True form of wisdom is that which God only has, and nobody knows how great his wisdom is, but we can only imagine how far we can go with our knowledge and how we evolve.
Assuming this "God" even exists.
And what do you all mean by "True Wisdom"? Like a complete and perfect form of wisdom?
Like Flaser said, this is a very Platonic idea that is either not backed up or not explained.
This is my belief and that there are other forces out there in the universe who have wisdom far superior than ours but it does not mean theirs are perfect. I only set an Example about God having the true form of wisdom. I don't wanna argue about God because this is a different topic.
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FinalBoss
#levelupyourgrind
There are two things you need in order to be considered wise, and they're "intelligence" and "experience". Intelligence is something you inherit genetically, while experience is something you earn via time and effort (arguably failure as well). The more one has of each, the wiser. Unfortunately, we all only have about 100 years of life on top of other problems that prevent us from using our wisdom efficiently. I guess its nature's way of maintaining balance.
Of course everyone has their own idea as to what wisdom is and how its measured.
Of course everyone has their own idea as to what wisdom is and how its measured.
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I feel that there has been much said here and many ideas shared. I agree with some of the things you all say, but then again some I do not. I could do this because I am Human. The decisions I've made and the experiences that have come are feeble and weak (personally). But I myself am strong and bright, some are as foolish to say I am wise and then turn around and say I have not lived long enough to be "Wise".
Wisdom is vauge, it revolves around an internal (do you feel you are wise or have you made a wise decision?) and external (your wisdom percieved by others, who could be blinded by their own unwanted qualities and in turn making an ugly judgement of you) perception. I could say it was not "Wise" for Flaser to undermine the topic of Wisdom so reluctantly, but he is also Human and entitled to his own opinion. Although he came about his response with a lack of consideration to the ideals of others that might have found this to be to their liking. I would have done what he did on purpose to see if anyone else that made a post could articulately respond, feeding my ego and measure the caliber of wisdom you bring to the table. Although I am not saying it to be the "Wisest," simply feeding my inner logic to see things yet another way.
I feel that Wisdom, internally, is a conscientious application of all acquired knowledge throughout ones' life. I said I am strong, my strenght comes from the "Wisdom" of Old applied in the New.
("I don't have to get shot, to know that I do not want to be shot")
(Many thanks to you UNIT for the oppertunity to share my peace somewhere. The question was asked and I have learned from many perspectives again, thanks to this post. You are appreciated)
Wisdom is vauge, it revolves around an internal (do you feel you are wise or have you made a wise decision?) and external (your wisdom percieved by others, who could be blinded by their own unwanted qualities and in turn making an ugly judgement of you) perception. I could say it was not "Wise" for Flaser to undermine the topic of Wisdom so reluctantly, but he is also Human and entitled to his own opinion. Although he came about his response with a lack of consideration to the ideals of others that might have found this to be to their liking. I would have done what he did on purpose to see if anyone else that made a post could articulately respond, feeding my ego and measure the caliber of wisdom you bring to the table. Although I am not saying it to be the "Wisest," simply feeding my inner logic to see things yet another way.
I feel that Wisdom, internally, is a conscientious application of all acquired knowledge throughout ones' life. I said I am strong, my strenght comes from the "Wisdom" of Old applied in the New.
("I don't have to get shot, to know that I do not want to be shot")
(Many thanks to you UNIT for the oppertunity to share my peace somewhere. The question was asked and I have learned from many perspectives again, thanks to this post. You are appreciated)
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Damoz
~Not A User~
All i need say is what i got taught....
"Being smart means you have plenty of knowledge and no idea how to use it, Being WISE is having plenty of knowledge with the ability to utilize it."
I live my life by those words.
"Being smart means you have plenty of knowledge and no idea how to use it, Being WISE is having plenty of knowledge with the ability to utilize it."
I live my life by those words.