Racist Hunger Games Fans
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I'm a big fan of the Hunger Games series and I was excited when the movie came out, but recently a blog that I read made me very sad and kinda mad at some of the Hunger Games fans. Fans who read the book and watched the movie got upset that Rue was cast as an African American actress. They claimed that her being black ruined the movie and made her death less sad. I would like some opinions from Hunger Game fans and everyone else.
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According to people who have actually read the book, THERE ARE *WOW* RACIALLY DIVERSE CHARACTERS!
So casting them as their respective race makes sense. These folks are pissed white actors didn't get the roles they saw as "white".
Ha, looks like we read the same article, OP!
From it, here seems to be the points:
So casting them as their respective race makes sense. These folks are pissed white actors didn't get the roles they saw as "white".
Ha, looks like we read the same article, OP!
From it, here seems to be the points:
Now as you may know, Katniss, the main character in the book and film, was described as having "straight black hair" and "olive skin." It's a post-apocalyptic world, so she could be a mix of things, but some pictured a Native American. Blonde-haired, blue-eyed Jennifer Lawrence won the part and dyed her hair dark.
But when it came to the casting of Rue, Thresh, and Cinna, many audience members did not understand why there were black actors playing those parts. Cinna's skin is not discussed in the book, so truthfully, though Lenny Kravitz was cast, a white, Asian or Latino actor could have played the part.
But. On page 45 of Suzanne Collins's book, Katniss sees Rue for the first time:
"…And most hauntingly, a twelve-year-old girl from District 11. She has dark brown skin and eyes, but other than that's she's very like Prim in size and demeanor…"
Later, she sees Thresh:
"The boy tribute from District 11, Thresh, has the same dark skin as Rue, but the resemblance stops there. He's one of the giants, probably six and half feet tall and built like an ox."
Dark skin. That is what the novelist, the creator of the series, specified. But there were plenty of audience members who were "shocked," or confused, or just plain angry.
But when it came to the casting of Rue, Thresh, and Cinna, many audience members did not understand why there were black actors playing those parts. Cinna's skin is not discussed in the book, so truthfully, though Lenny Kravitz was cast, a white, Asian or Latino actor could have played the part.
But. On page 45 of Suzanne Collins's book, Katniss sees Rue for the first time:
"…And most hauntingly, a twelve-year-old girl from District 11. She has dark brown skin and eyes, but other than that's she's very like Prim in size and demeanor…"
Later, she sees Thresh:
"The boy tribute from District 11, Thresh, has the same dark skin as Rue, but the resemblance stops there. He's one of the giants, probably six and half feet tall and built like an ox."
Dark skin. That is what the novelist, the creator of the series, specified. But there were plenty of audience members who were "shocked," or confused, or just plain angry.
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Some people are just silly, but i'm guessing(or hoping) that is only a small part of the fandom. It is rather sad to see that in this day and age the race of a character somehow makes there death less sad to some people.
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I never read the books, I saw the movie though and I teared up when Rue died. It's really disappointing for humanity when other people don't view dark-skinned people as human. With the advent of the internet age and people's lack of humility on the web, people reveal themselves by saying what they truly think of. This makes it seem like we are stuck in the 70's where people think of other races as lesser beings. It's absolutely sickening.
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I don't know anything about this particular case, but I do know that changing a character's appearence in a film adaptation can be very annoying. I remember this one book that had a dark skinned female character (which I grew very attached to and who had quite a big role to play). When I had read the entire book series with this mental picture of her being black (or at least darkish), and they later cast a girl in the movie who was not, it really ruined it for me.
As I've said, I don't know anything about this situation, I just want to point out that "race" (i.e. looks) is very important in film adaptations, lest you'll ruin the character for the fans. And it's not about race, it's about expectations and familiarity.
As I've said, I don't know anything about this situation, I just want to point out that "race" (i.e. looks) is very important in film adaptations, lest you'll ruin the character for the fans. And it's not about race, it's about expectations and familiarity.
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...I didn't even read the book...and I loved the characters.
In fact...them being black didn't even occur to me as even being...relevant...to anything.
I know this sounds like a standard, "Lol I'm not racist I'm colorblind" kind of post but I'm serious.
What kind of a person do you have to be...to see a little 12 year old girl, and conclude that they're not innocent...because...they're...black?
What kind of mentality do you need to have? What kind of reality do you need to live in?
I don't understand these people. But something to take solace in is that many of us realize how fucked up these people are, indicating that there is a recognition of general 'badness' even in bigotry that doesn't technically 'hurt' anyone. Though I'll bet if the actors and actresses in question read these messages, they might be hurt by it. And if a little girl gets her feelings hurt online because some douchenozzle decided to tweet her skin color ruined a movie...that person has lost all internet privileges.
In fact...them being black didn't even occur to me as even being...relevant...to anything.
I know this sounds like a standard, "Lol I'm not racist I'm colorblind" kind of post but I'm serious.
What kind of a person do you have to be...to see a little 12 year old girl, and conclude that they're not innocent...because...they're...black?
What kind of mentality do you need to have? What kind of reality do you need to live in?
I don't understand these people. But something to take solace in is that many of us realize how fucked up these people are, indicating that there is a recognition of general 'badness' even in bigotry that doesn't technically 'hurt' anyone. Though I'll bet if the actors and actresses in question read these messages, they might be hurt by it. And if a little girl gets her feelings hurt online because some douchenozzle decided to tweet her skin color ruined a movie...that person has lost all internet privileges.
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Salaryman Man wrote...
I don't know anything about this particular case, but I do know that changing a character's appearence in a film adaptation can be very annoying. I remember this one book that had a dark skinned female character (which I grew very attached to and who had quite a big role to play). When I had read the entire book series with this mental picture of her being black (or at least darkish), and they later cast a girl in the movie who was not, it really ruined it for me.As I've said, I don't know anything about this situation, I just want to point out that "race" (i.e. looks) is very important in film adaptations, lest you'll ruin the character for the fans. And it's not about race, it's about expectations and familiarity.
I understand what you mean but the worst part about these people is that in the book it is clearly stated that Rue has dark brown skin and eyes. The minds of these fans just wouldn't let them comprehend this and allow them to picture Rue as black or dark skinned of any kind.
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Isn't the book meant for a teenage audience? Wouldn't be surprised if they idealized every character to suit their own needs, thus some of the backlash of the characters. Having seen the article, I think it is safe to say that some of the people (in their Twitter pics) look pretty young and are in high school.
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Racism is the biggest shit I ever heard since I studied the history of America.
It does not matter if the actor/actress is black or white.
If the book indicates a "dark" skinned girl as the main protagonist then it's supposed to be a "dark" skinned girl in the movies as a main protagonist.
The reviews are terrible and the people shouldn't publicize their racist opinion on some movie.
Tell those people they can kiss Fakku's ass.
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Besides, Rue looks very cute and sweet and fits in the role as the main protagonist.
It does not matter if the actor/actress is black or white.
If the book indicates a "dark" skinned girl as the main protagonist then it's supposed to be a "dark" skinned girl in the movies as a main protagonist.
The reviews are terrible and the people shouldn't publicize their racist opinion on some movie.
Tell those people they can kiss Fakku's ass.
*edit*
Besides, Rue looks very cute and sweet and fits in the role as the main protagonist.
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Legendary_Dollci wrote...
Racism is the biggest shit I ever heard since I studied the history of America.There is racism everywhere, since the beginning of time. America isn't the only place that had such a thing. It just goes unspoken of in the history of some countries since it probably wasn't a big deal or because mentioning it will hurt them.
Either way, if a foreigner goes to any country, some people will give some glares or weird stares to foreigners. Racism is a 'natural' thing and it shouldn't be surprising it happens in this world.
I think the only reason why America and "racism" get mentioned a lot, is due to the exploitation, the movements and exposure of such a thing. Racism is big in the history of the world, it just gets overlooked for some odd reason.
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The Randomness wrote...
Legendary_Dollci wrote...
Racism is the biggest shit I ever heard since I studied the history of America.There is racism everywhere, since the beginning of time. America isn't the only place that had such a thing. It just goes unspoken of in the history of some countries since it probably wasn't a big deal or because mentioning it will hurt them.
Either way, if a foreigner goes to any country, some people will give some glares or weird stares to foreigners. Racism is a 'natural' thing and it shouldn't be surprising it happens in this world.
I think the only reason why America and "racism" get mentioned a lot, is due to the exploitation, the movements and exposure of such a thing. Racism is big in the history of the world, it just gets overlooked for some odd reason.
I wouldn't agree to natural, rather a decision made based on his own value of appearance.
There were many tribes with their own appearances and foreigners visiting these tribes get frightened because of their differences in appearance but in time they will accept it since they come to the idea that they are the same, only in different appearances.
But the way they criticized the actress and the how audiences were thrown off were not natural, because they already have their expectations set on specific appearances which is a mind fuck in my opinion.
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Legendary_Dollci wrote...
I wouldn't agree to natural, rather a decision made based on his own value of appearance.There were many tribes with their own appearances and foreigners visiting these tribes get frightened because of their differences in appearance but in time they will accept it since they come to the idea that they are the same, only in different appearances.
But the way they criticized the actress and the how audiences were thrown off were not natural, because they already have their expectations set on specific appearances which is a mind fuck in my opinion.
If one goes to different cities, that are not known for tourism in other countries, one can expect to get seen differently. I accept that it is normal, it's like going to the center of Mexico and having a French or a Japanese person visiting, some people would be surprised that someone like that is in the area. Some aren't even used to the different people, which really isn't their fault that they're not exposed to it.
But keep in mind that until recently, it was hard to even make communication or even SEE people from different countries and for some odd reason, people are acting as if it has always been a good thing and that is has been going on for centuries.
Like I said before about the actress, seeing how the book is meant for teenagers, I wouldn't be surprised if all the people idealized them to fit their own needs.
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BigLundi wrote...
...I didn't even read the book...and I loved the characters.In fact...them being black didn't even occur to me as even being...relevant...to anything.
I know this sounds like a standard, "Lol I'm not racist I'm colorblind" kind of post but I'm serious.
What kind of a person do you have to be...to see a little 12 year old girl, and conclude that they're not innocent...because...they're...black?
What kind of mentality do you need to have? What kind of reality do you need to live in?
I don't understand these people. But something to take solace in is that many of us realize how fucked up these people are, indicating that there is a recognition of general 'badness' even in bigotry that doesn't technically 'hurt' anyone. Though I'll bet if the actors and actresses in question read these messages, they might be hurt by it. And if a little girl gets her feelings hurt online because some douchenozzle decided to tweet her skin color ruined a movie...that person has lost all internet privileges.
Good old bull. If a little girl gets her feelings hurt on the internet, then its too bad for her, but the fact of the matter is that people have likes and dislikes. You don't even need to be racist, to prefer the looks of a white woman to the looks of a black one. Its not that I think one is inferior to the other. I just like one more than the other. Simple as that.
Besides, really. Black characters are the ones always dying on movies and series. From a out-of-the-movie view, it really makes the death have less impact because, well, black character usually bite it anyway.
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Maxiart wrote...
I just like one more than the other. Simple as that. So the role should have gone to a white girl because you prefer the look of one?
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I loved those books, and just because the character turned out black in the movie shouldn't matter.
I haven't seen the movie yet but im planning on going this weekend, ill only have an issue with Rue's actor if she messes up the character. All i know is that the book describes her as dark skinned, doesn't really matter how dark she was.
At least its not like what happened with The Last Air Bender, where the director mixes up all the skin tones from the regions, and it really sucked.
I haven't seen the movie yet but im planning on going this weekend, ill only have an issue with Rue's actor if she messes up the character. All i know is that the book describes her as dark skinned, doesn't really matter how dark she was.
At least its not like what happened with The Last Air Bender, where the director mixes up all the skin tones from the regions, and it really sucked.
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Maxiart wrote...
Good old bull. If a little girl gets her feelings hurt on the internet, then its too bad for her, but the fact of the matter is that people have likes and dislikes. You don't even need to be racist, to prefer the looks of a white woman to the looks of a black one.
Actually you do.
Racist - one who espouses the superiority of one race over another
This would include...superiority in looks.
Its not that I think one is inferior to the other. I just like one more than the other. Simple as that.
You think one is inferior in looks.
Besides, really. Black characters are the ones always dying on movies and series. From a out-of-the-movie view, it really makes the death have less impact because, well, black character usually bite it anyway.
...In horror movies mainly. Why does this apply to a romance/action film?
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BigLundi wrote...
...In horror movies mainly. Why does this apply to a romance/action film?it's not just horror movies. hollywood is notoriously racist, if you bother to pay attention. watch Melvin Van Peebles' Classified X for some insight into hollywood's history regarding black people. and it's not just black people getting jacked with in movies either. i saw a documentary about the treatment of asians in hollywood films. one example i remember is at the end of Romeo Must Die. in the original script, Jet Li and Aaliya kiss at the end, but it was changed to just a hug. watch some old westerns and look at all the blue eyed 'indians'. native americans are almost never portayed in a positive manner, even in more recent films.
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Mr.Shaggnificent wrote...
BigLundi wrote...
...In horror movies mainly. Why does this apply to a romance/action film?it's not just horror movies. hollywood is notoriously racist, if you bother to pay attention. watch Melvin Van Peebles' Classified X for some insight into hollywood's history regarding black people. and it's not just black people getting jacked with in movies either. i saw a documentary about the treatment of asians in hollywood films. one example i remember is at the end of Romeo Must Die. in the original script, Jet Li and Aaliya kiss at the end, but it was changed to just a hug. watch some old westerns and look at all the blue eyed 'indians'. native americans are almost never portayed in a positive manner, even in more recent films.
Then I must not be watching the same films you are. Pretty much every time I've seen Native Americans portrayed in movies, they're either reasonable "Let's help the foreign people out, who are we to be dicks and kill them mercilessly?" kind of indians, or, "We love nature and the universe, and would like you to share in its beauty with us." kind of stuff.
Also...how does hollywood's racism justify the racism of fans? Racism's bad regardless.
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BigLundi wrote...
Also...how does hollywood's racism justify the racism of fans?where did i say anything like that?
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Mr.Shaggnificent wrote...
BigLundi wrote...
Also...how does hollywood's racism justify the racism of fans?where did i say anything like that?
Well, your post was made in support of the person I was arguing with, who was saying Hollywood's racist t portrayal where black people are regularly 'killed off' justifies a fan not being as emotionally attached when a black lead is 'killed off'. I presumed that since you were saying that this is indeed the case, that hollywood does this, you were agreeing with the person I was responding to, that racism in fans is justified by racism in hollywood movie portrayals.